Briala is doing stuff like tearing down the Alienage walls, I doubt the nobles are neutral on this
Chevaliers kill elves with impunity, purges of Alienages are a fact of life, and Gaspard would jump at the chance to prove the Game is a load of crap
It specifically says that the reason none of the nobility is doing anything like this is fear (and respect, if you have enough court approval) of the Inquisition.
One thing I think people are ignoring is that Gaspard follows the Chevalier code as his personal code of honor.
We know from the novel that he won't do anything he feels goes against that code so he tries to be as honorable as he can. Now, people can agree or disagree with the chevalier code all they like, but anyone who knows the chevalier code also know how to predict what kind of movement he'll make or won't make.
Gaspard could do a whole lot of things, and I don't like him or Celene, but one thing he has over Celene is that his word is his bond and his code of honor that he follows. Celene will do whatever she feels is politically expedient, whether allowing elves into the university (awesome!) or killing them to save face (not cool!)
One thing I think people are ignoring is that Gaspard follows the Chevalier code as his personal code of honor.
We know from the novel that he won't do anything he feels goes against that code so he tries to be as honorable as he can. Now, people can agree or disagree with the chevalier code all they like, but anyone who knows the chevalier code also know how to predict what kind of movement he'll make or won't make.
Gaspard could do a whole lot of things, and I don't like him or Celene, but one thing he has over Celene is that his word is his bond and his code of honor that he follows. Celene will do whatever she feels is politically expedient, whether allowing elves into the university (awesome!) or killing them to save face (not cool!)
To be honest, I kinda felt like the game took a lot of what made him respectable in the book and flushed it. He, like Fiona and a few others, doesn't really come across as the same character.
To be honest, I kinda felt like the game took a lot of what made him respectable in the book and flushed it. He, like Fiona and a few others, doesn't really come across as the same character.
One thing I think people are ignoring is that Gaspard follows the Chevalier code as his personal code of honor.
To the Void with the chevaliers and their code. It applies only to the nobility, for one thing.
To the Void with the chevaliers and their code. It applies only to the nobility, for one thing.
Well selectively.
Gaspard acknowledged a pikemen worthy of standing against him in a honor duel.
One thing I think people are ignoring is that Gaspard follows the Chevalier code as his personal code of honor.
We know from the novel that he won't do anything he feels goes against that code so he tries to be as honorable as he can. Now, people can agree or disagree with the chevalier code all they like, but anyone who knows the chevalier code also know how to predict what kind of movement he'll make or won't make.
Gaspard could do a whole lot of things, and I don't like him or Celene, but one thing he has over Celene is that his word is his bond and his code of honor that he follows. Celene will do whatever she feels is politically expedient, whether allowing elves into the university (awesome!) or killing them to save face (not cool!)
Just what exactly is this code of conduct? Aside from Gaspard being quite fluid as to what he thinks it requires of him, we've never really seen much indication of what it actually requires chevaliers to do setting-wise.
Just what exactly is this code of conduct? Aside from Gaspard being quite fluid as to what he thinks it requires of him, we've never
really seen much indication of what it actually requires chevaliers to do setting-wise.
Briala's path in that quest is just weak.
It makes sense if Celene defeats Gaspard because she knows of his betrayal, has troops positioned and can just expose him to the nobles gathered, winning their support.
It makes sense if Briala is defeated because her power base is the elves and the Inquisition takes them away.
It makes sense if Gaspard become the sole ruler because Celene is dead.
But it makes no sense for Briala to permanently hold power over Gaspard. What, five years down the line she will threaten him with revealing that at a conclave, he had troops there and was going to break the truce? Would anyone actually care enough? If Gaspard gathered the nobles and reveal he was being blackmailed, although it would severely weaken his claim on the throne, wouldn't the nobles and solders place much more importance on the fact the Empire was being manipulated, worse by an elf, than on something that happened years ago at a ball?
Briala's path in that quest is just weak.
It makes sense if Celene defeats Gaspard because she knows of his betrayal, has troops positioned and can just expose him to the nobles gathered, winning their support.
It makes sense if Briala is defeated because her power base is the elves and the Inquisition takes them away.
It makes sense if Gaspard become the sole ruler because Celene is dead.
But it makes no sense for Briala to permanently hold power over Gaspard. What, five years down the line she will threaten him with revealing that at a conclave, he had troops there and was going to break the truce? Would anyone actually care enough? If Gaspard gathered the nobles and reveal he was being blackmailed, although it would severely weaken his claim on the throne, wouldn't the nobles and solders place much more importance on the fact the Empire was being manipulated, worse by an elf, than on something that happened years ago at a ball?
I think the Briala path is that in the moment she can really damage him, and afterward she has the Inquisition backing her, which itself has a great deal of political support in Orlais. So Briala becomes something of the Inquisition's unofficial representative.
Couldn't agree more. Briala with Celene I can swallow: some official power for Briala - power that didn't come from nowhere, mind you, she (officially at least) had a hand in thwarting the assassination attempt by Gaspard AND these elves of her can be considered a powerbase, even if a minor one; basically she will be despised but people will see where her success in the Game came from. Add Inquisition's support to the mix and it can conceivably be a relatively long-term thing.Briala's path in that quest is just weak.
It makes sense if Celene defeats Gaspard because she knows of his betrayal, has troops positioned and can just expose him to the nobles gathered, winning their support.
It makes sense if Briala is defeated because her power base is the elves and the Inquisition takes them away.
It makes sense if Gaspard become the sole ruler because Celene is dead.
But it makes no sense for Briala to permanently hold power over Gaspard. What, five years down the line she will threaten him with revealing that at a conclave, he had troops there and was going to break the truce? Would anyone actually care enough? If Gaspard gathered the nobles and reveal he was being blackmailed, although it would severely weaken his claim on the throne, wouldn't the nobles and solders place much more importance on the fact the Empire was being manipulated, worse by an elf, than on something that happened years ago at a ball?
I assume by then she'll either have proved her usefulness or have more dirt or both. Gaspard isn't the only one who can play future cards.But it makes no sense for Briala to permanently hold power over Gaspard. What, five years down the line she will threaten him with revealing that at a conclave, he had troops there and was going to break the truce? Would anyone actually care enough? If Gaspard gathered the nobles and reveal he was being blackmailed, although it would severely weaken his claim on the throne, wouldn't the nobles and solders place much more importance on the fact the Empire was being manipulated, worse by an elf, than on something that happened years ago at a ball?
Briala's path in that quest is just weak.
It makes sense if Celene defeats Gaspard because she knows of his betrayal, has troops positioned and can just expose him to the nobles gathered, winning their support.
It makes sense if Briala is defeated because her power base is the elves and the Inquisition takes them away.
It makes sense if Gaspard become the sole ruler because Celene is dead.
But it makes no sense for Briala to permanently hold power over Gaspard. What, five years down the line she will threaten him with revealing that at a conclave, he had troops there and was going to break the truce? Would anyone actually care enough? If Gaspard gathered the nobles and reveal he was being blackmailed, although it would severely weaken his claim on the throne, wouldn't the nobles and solders place much more importance on the fact the Empire was being manipulated, worse by an elf, than on something that happened years ago at a ball?
also, even if Gaspard is threatened with exposure, I'm curious why he'd back down, he still has a lot of troops and I doubt he'd have much to lose by just gambling on an actual attack
Just what exactly is this code of conduct? Aside from Gaspard being quite fluid as to what he thinks it requires of him, we've never really seen much indication of what it actually requires chevaliers to do setting-wise.
Well, Vivienne at her Soiree that she asks to join the Inquisition at mentions about that one Marquis (who is also a chevalier) went for his sword against the chevalier code, and they are apparently not allowed (as per the code) to go for their sword until a duel is set rather than suggested, or something like that.
But yeah, I would also really like to know what a chevalier can or can't do, and others are right. It seems to be very selective.
I'm hoping Gaspard will end up being the Bhelen of Orlais. The ruthless bastard who actually moves Orlais forward a bit. But, basically I think ComedicSociopathy is right. They're all bad choices.
Yeah, Bhelen was a nasty piece of work, but at least, in spirit, he aspired to be an innovator... Gaspard is simply a traditional minded self-entitled SOB, so more of the same with a side serving of gratuitous bloodshed.
On the elven front (I have some non-elf comments to follow) I wonder how the possible change in setting (from southern thedas) will impact the portrayal of the elves. We know that the Dalish clans vary in culture, but they're also quite similar in terms of their fundamental way of life. We'd except different values out of a clan, say, wandering Tevinter often but not necessarily a different way of living (i.e., still hunters, nomadic, etc.). We know that elves can have it rough in Tevinter, what with rampant slavery and blood sacrifices.
Do we know anything about elven life in Neverra or the Anderfells?
Well, Vivienne at her Soiree that she asks to join the Inquisition at mentions about that one Marquis (who is also a chevalier) went for his sword against the chevalier code, and they are apparently not allowed (as per the code) to go for their sword until a duel is set rather than suggested, or something like that.
But yeah, I would also really like to know what a chevalier can or can't do, and others are right. It seems to be very selective.
So we've got, on the one hand, some formalized rules about how you can engage with (we imagine) your equals. Presumably they (at an abstract level) need cause to engage with others?
Yeah, Bhelen was a nasty piece of work, but at least, in spirit, he aspired to be an innovator... Gaspard is simply a traditional minded self-entitled SOB, so more of the same with a side serving of gratuitous bloodshed.
He's surprisingly loyal, though. I was actually shocked at how he genuinely seemed to be on good personal terms with the Inquisitor.
He's surprisingly loyal, though. I was actually shocked at how he genuinely seemed to be on good personal terms with the Inquisitor.
You think? I think he'd turn on the inquisitor in a trice (and justify it to himself) if it would give him the slightest advantage...
You think? I think he'd turn on the inquisitor in a trice (and justify it to himself) if it would give him the slightest advantage...
And you assume the other two wouldn't? They'd all turn on the Inquisitor in a heartbeat.
You think? I think he'd turn on the inquisitor in a trice (and justify it to himself) if it would give him the slightest advantage...
You think? I think he'd turn on the inquisitor in a trice (and justify it to himself) if it would give him the slightest advantage...
I don't think so. I mean, it's obviously a political alliance. But I think Gaspard wouldn't turn on the Inquisition unless it would cost him far too much not to do it. And part of that is pragmatic: Gaspard's mystique is perceived loyalty, and acting as if he's beyond the Game.
And you assume the other two wouldn't? They'd all turn on the Inquisitor in a heartbeat.
Yep. I think they would too, but Gaspard is not better... And since he's entirely retrograde, he's worse.
Yep. I think they would too, but Gaspard is not better... And since he's entirely retrograde, he's worse.
It's hard to judge qualities of decrepitude in the Orlesian nobility, but I don't think he's worse than Celene. They just have different styles of depravity.
Briala's path in that quest is just weak.
It makes sense if Celene defeats Gaspard because she knows of his betrayal, has troops positioned and can just expose him to the nobles gathered, winning their support.
It makes sense if Briala is defeated because her power base is the elves and the Inquisition takes them away.
It makes sense if Gaspard become the sole ruler because Celene is dead.
But it makes no sense for Briala to permanently hold power over Gaspard. What, five years down the line she will threaten him with revealing that at a conclave, he had troops there and was going to break the truce? Would anyone actually care enough? If Gaspard gathered the nobles and reveal he was being blackmailed, although it would severely weaken his claim on the throne, wouldn't the nobles and solders place much more importance on the fact the Empire was being manipulated, worse by an elf, than on something that happened years ago at a ball?
Wait what? Gaspard had troops to break the tuce at the Conclave? What a son of a ******.
Wait what? Gaspard had troops to break the tuce at the Conclave? What a son of a ******.
a conclave, not THE Conclave, I believe he means the Halamshiral Ball
Hey, elven fans. There is a drawing of Garahel slaying the Archdemon in "The World of Thedas volume 2"
Retour en haut