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[TK514]

Human locks are clearly nothing more than imitations of the locks of Arlathan

Arlathan locks unlocked each other out of spite and stupidity, allowing human locks to take over the 'secure your stuff' market, continent-wide.

[Xilizhra]

Arlathan locks unlocked each other out of spite and stupidity, allowing human locks to take over the 'secure your stuff' market, continent-wide.

Hey, elves have only had a major intraspecies war once. Humans have them constantly.

[BronzTrooper]

Honestly, I'd think that ancient elven locks from the time of Arlathan would be the magical kind (sort of similar to the one we see in the magi origin for DA:O, but more sophisticated).  The dwarves would likely have been the first to develop physical locks, kind of like how they've also developed clocks (iirc).

[Hellion Rex]

Honestly, I'd think that ancient elven locks from the time of Arlathan would be the magical kind (sort of similar to the one we see in the magi origin for DA:O, but more sophisticated).  The dwarves would likely have been the first to develop physical locks, kind of like how they've also developed clocks (iirc).

I imagine that they didn't use locks so much as numerous wards.

[BronzTrooper]

I imagine that they didn't use locks so much as numerous wards.

 

Could be a mix of both too

[dragonflight288]

You aren't wrong about lock picking, that is the idea.

But you are wrong about locks in our own history alone their have been, hundreds if not thousands of different varients of locks.

Different mechanisms, materials, differing placement of tumblers, etc.

It's sort of fascinating but the history of locks is a window into the advancement of mankind.

 

And that's before we even get close to discussing the intricacies of magic locks. 

 

From wards that require a password and the touch of mana, being forced to walk certain paths, to just plain runic wards the cancel out magic entire. 

[Steelcan]

Hey, elves have only had a major intraspecies war once. Humans have them constantly.

we don't hear about human wars resulting in seas of blood following divine intervention in the wars...

 

and I gathered that the gods were pretty much always at each others' throats

[In Exile]

Hey, elves have only had a major intraspecies war once. Humans have them constantly.

Why do you say that? If the elven "gods" fought a constant war amongst themselves using their followers that sounds like an intraspecies war to me.

[TK514]

Human intraspecies wars don't seem to result in the complete enslavement of the race by another race, or the total eradication of the human empires.

 

But I thought we were talking about locks.

[LOLandStuff]

Pretty sure the elves had several wars. It was their national sports. First thing they did when they gods disappeared was to jump at each others' throat.

And it was also some sort of favorite pastime the gods started out of sheer boredom or who's more badass than the other?

[In Exile]

Human intraspecies wars don't seem to result in the complete enslavement of the race by another race, or the total eradication of the human empires.

 

But I thought we were talking about locks.

 

Hey, Tevinter's screw ups were pretty close to getting everyone enslaved by the Qunari, so maybe give it a while?

[dragonflight288]

Human intraspecies wars don't seem to result in the complete enslavement of the race by another race, or the total eradication of the human empires.

 

But I thought we were talking about locks.

 

Humans enslaved elves for 1000 years. Humans in Tevinter still practice slavery.

 

I don't know what you're talking about when it comes to human empires.

 

But yes, locks. Locks are good except when there's a rogue getting through them. 

[MoonDrummer]

Pretty sure the elves had several wars. It was their national sports. 

That's the same with the Dwarves too. The Human nations don't seem to war against each other very often, which is a bit weird. 

[dragonflight288]

That's the same with the Dwarves too. The Human nations don't seem to war against each other very, which is a bit weird. 

 

Umm....

 

Tevinter conquering all of Thedas. Andraste's rebellion. Four exalted marches against Tevinter. One international exalted march against the qunari. Orlais conquering its neighboring city-states. Orlais conquering Ferelden. Orlais conquering Nevarra. Ferelden and Nevarra both pusing Orlais out of their borders. Orlais' civil war. Ferelden's civil war. Zevran talking about how he and an entire cell of crows were hired to wipe out the entire royal family, the Avaar tried invading during the second blight, Ostagar exists as a way to deal with Chasind invasions. The exalted march in Rivain meant to wipe out all qunari (not necessarily the horned giants either) was so bad it sundered the veil....

 

It actually seems like humans are the race most in conflict. 

[MoonDrummer]

Umm....

 

Tevinter conquering all of Thedas. Andraste's rebellion. Four exalted marches against Tevinter. One international exalted march against the qunari. Orlais conquering its neighboring city-states. Orlais conquering Ferelden. Orlais conquering Nevarra. Ferelden and Nevarra both pusing Orlais out of their borders. Orlais' civil war. Ferelden's civil war. Zevran talking about how he and an entire cell of crows were hired to wipe out the entire royal family, the Avaar tried invading during the second blight, Ostagar exists as a way to deal with Chasind invasions. The exalted march in Rivain meant to wipe out all qunari (not necessarily the horned giants either) was so bad it sundered the veil....

 

It actually seems like humans are the race most in conflict. 

For a period of over 1000 years that doesn't seem like much.

[Wulfram]

Thedas is oddly peaceful, indeed. Though I guess it's just because coming up with a 1000 years of conflicts to match Europe's would be incredibly tiresome.

[dragonflight288]

For a period of over 1000 years that doesn't seem like much.

 

The dwarves only fight against each other in back-room politics or the carta, who'll fight everyone.

 

The elves only have one recorded civil war, and it isn't even recorded it's just what we learn in the temple of Mythal, and then they helped Andraste war against Tevinter and then the fight against Orlais that ended up with humans utterly wiping out the Dales and then attempt to utterly destroy all traces of elven culture if possible.

 

The Qunari launched one large invasion that united all of thedas against them, and only that one invasion in the canon. The rest of their wars have been Tevinter trying to take back Seheron or Kirkwall. 

 

Humans, compared to everyone else, are practically foaming at the mouth.   (Yes, that is an exaggeration.) Humans have engaged in the most wars compared to the other races, are the most divided politically, nationally and culturally. Heck, even their own race description in the games outright say this. 

 

I literally have no idea where people get the idea that humans are the pacifists of Thedas. 

[MoonDrummer]

The dwarves only fight against each other in back-room politics or the carta, who'll fight everyone.

 

The elves only have one recorded civil war, and it isn't even recorded it's just what we learn in the temple of Mythal, and then they helped Andraste war against Tevinter and then the fight against Orlais that ended up with humans utterly wiping out the Dales and then attempt to utterly destroy all traces of elven culture if possible.

 

The Qunari launched one large invasion that united all of thedas against them, and only that one invasion in the canon. The rest of their wars have been Tevinter trying to take back Seheron or Kirkwall. 

 

Humans, compared to everyone else, are practically foaming at the mouth.   (Yes, that is an exaggeration.) Humans have engaged in the most wars compared to the other races, are the most divided politically, nationally and culturally. Heck, even their own race description in the games outright say this. 

 

I literally have no idea where people get the idea that humans are the pacifists of Thedas. 

I never said they were pacifists, I don't think anyone did, its just that they don't seem to actually go to war often.

 

Its hard to compare human wars to Elven and Dwarven wars, because we don't know much history before Humans came, and after humans came the Elves ended up homeless and Dwarves have been on the ropes, so they haven't had much of a chance to fight.

 

What we do know is that civil wars led to the downfall of both races.

 

And the Qunari have been at war since they first set foot on Thedas.

[Master Warder Z_]

Qunari are savages who know nothing but war

[dragonflight288]

I never said they were pacifists, I don't think anyone did, its just that they don't seem to actually go to war often.

 

Its hard to compare human wars to Elven and Dwarven wars, because we don't know much history before Humans came, and after humans came the Elves ended up homeless and Dwarves have been on the ropes, so they haven't had much of a chance to fight.

 

What we do know is that civil wars led to the downfall of both races.

 

And the Qunari have been at war since they first set foot on Thedas.

 

Hmm. Sorry, it came across that way that everyone is making the elves to be violent extremists and the humans as the peaceful ones, with the comments about never ending civil war with the elves and their gods.

 

The qunari war is on and off according to Dorian. 

 

And the humans are always in conflict. I just listed the major conflicts that I could think of off the top of my head. That's not including the Armada, the ever-violent Game of Orlais with all the deaths that occur, the humans regularly purging alienages, the banns of Ferelden's own games of politics. A codex entry says they once declared war on each other over trees, and all the hosts of small, infighting among the governments. Like the Archon who tried to make slavery illegal ended up assassinated. The blood sacrifices of the magisters, the Grey Wardens practically running the Anderfels and the Free Marches really being a bunch of independent city-states with their own squabbles. 

 

There seems to be a constant conflict, and humans are involved with almost all of it. 

 

But it's not a big deal. That's just life, both real and fictional. 

[dragonflight288]

Qunari are savages who know nothing but war

 

If you're part of the Antaam. Not if you're a tamrassan or a baker or a craftsman or something other than the armed body.

[Master Warder Z_]

If you're part of the Antaam. Not if you're a tamrassan or a baker or a craftsman or something other than the armed body.

*Frowns* Did a Tamrassan not try to strangle Isabela before plunging her head first into Qumek?

It's a society of nothing but war.

And sooner Thedas is rid of it the better.

It's a pity Isabela didn't kill that ****** when she had the chance, proselytizing that abomination is a sin against everything of Thedas.

[TK514]

Humans enslaved elves for 1000 years. Humans in Tevinter still practice slavery.

Exactly the point.  The elven civil wars resulted in the entire race, or near enough, being enslaved by humans.  None of the human wars have had anything even remotely like that effect.

 

The elven civil wars also resulted in the complete destruction of their dimension-manipulating empire. None of the human intraracial wars have even come close.  Andraste and multiple Exalted Marches couldn't put Tevinter down, and if not for the Qunari, it is probable that they could make themselves a serious threat to the rest of Thedas again.

 

Bujt anyway, locks.  Sometimes a good, solid crossbar is best.

[dragonflight288]

Exactly the point.  The elven civil wars resulted in the entire race, or near enough, being enslaved by humans.  None of the human wars have had anything even remotely like that effect.

 

The elven civil wars also resulted in the complete destruction of their dimension-manipulating empire. None of the human intraracial wars have even come close.  Andraste and multiple Exalted Marches couldn't put Tevinter down, and if not for the Qunari, it is probable that they could make themselves a serious threat to the rest of Thedas again.

 

Bujt anyway, locks.  Sometimes a good, solid crossbar is best.

 

So, you're saying that the elven civil resulted in them allowing themselves to be enslaved by an empire that practiced blood magic and conquered everyone else as well as them, and also enslaved them, and the loss of technology and culture is entirely the fault of the elves and has absolutely nothing to do with Tevinter?

 

Do I understand that that is the argument you guys are presenting?

[Addai]

Thedas is oddly peaceful, indeed. Though I guess it's just because coming up with a 1000 years of conflicts to match Europe's would be incredibly tiresome.

Eurk, really? I mean, apart from the Blights which have ravaged much of the continent, they're nearly always at war.