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[DanteYoda]

Elven Support Thread

 

[Eliastion]

I would wager, at least locally, the elves would have basic rights (including the right to carry weapons, to be protected against assault under the law, and the right to defend themselves against attacks), and that the elven religion wouldn't be outlawed like it is in the rest of the Andrastian kingdoms (but it's possible that could change with the elven Inquisitor).

I personally think that elven situation - in Ferelden at the very least - got overexaggerated, in no small part because of not-as-clear-as-wiki-would-have-us-believe statement in an RPG adventure created by third party company (and writers). There is nothing to suggest that elves aren't allowed to defend themselves and frankly I would like to see the exact quote suggesting that they can't bear arms as in DA:O it seemed pretty obvious that there indeed was a ban on weapons but it was part of restrictions Howe came up with while was "restoring order in the Alienage"...

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Anora?

 

I do feel for m!Lavellan. You're stuck with two Andrastian humans.

 

Tell me about it. Just a shame. I mean, my Hawke and Surana never went near Andrastians when it comes to romance. Surana went for Morrigan and Hawke went for Merrill. 

 

*Disgusted noise* 

 

At least they could have made someone like Lace Harding who is not strictly affiliated with any religion to be a romance option. 

 

As for Wycome of the Free Marches, yes if you are a Lavellan and you play your cards right, Elves can be rulers of Wycome, the people there welcome them with open arms, the nobles there hate it but Clan Lavellan is under the protection of the Inquisition so no one dares to do anything.

 

I just hope that does not get Retconned Gaidered. I mean, I made Tabris into the first Ferelden Elven bann and my Mahariel requested Hinterlands be given to the Dalish but nothing turned out of it. 

[vertigomez]

I think Harding would be a great romance option for an elf, given how much she likes them.

[Addai]

I'm hoping that if there is a dwarven LI, it's race gated to dwarves, otherwise it's likely to be lame, with all the non-reactivity and clipping issues of Blackwall, Cassandra etc. And I do hope that they give us such a romance, with some more dwarf-centric content, in a future game.

 

As for the Wycome outcome being disregarded, I think that's far more likely than that anything permanent will come of it.

[TK514]

So Wycome's rulers can be...

Spoiler

Elves if you make the right decisions in DAI well what it means for the future of elves in there?

 

This is the obligatory 'kill or save the elves' choice that has been available in each entry into the franchise, and I expect it will have just as much impact going forward as those have, which is to say little or none.

[LobselVith8]

I personally think that elven situation - in Ferelden at the very least - got overexaggerated, in no small part because of not-as-clear-as-wiki-would-have-us-believe statement in an RPG adventure created by third party company (and writers). There is nothing to suggest that elves aren't allowed to defend themselves and frankly I would like to see the exact quote suggesting that they can't bear arms as in DA:O it seemed pretty obvious that there indeed was a ban on weapons but it was part of restrictions Howe came up with while was "restoring order in the Alienage"...

Part of the point of the City Elf Boon is that the elves can arm themselves and have a milita to defend the people. When people can be purged, I doubt that the rulers want them to be able to defend themselves. So I don't see it as an exaggeration at all.

Elves are mistreated and denigrated. Even the participation of the Night Elves during the Orlesian occupation was rewarded with nothing for the elves, despite their heroism in fighting against the Orlesian Empire.

[Elfyoth]

Part of the point of the City Elf Boon is that the elves can arm themselves and have a milita to defend the people. When people can be purged, I doubt that the rulers want them to be able to defend themselves. So I don't see it as an exaggeration at all.

Elves are mistreated and denigrated. Even the participation of the Night Elves during the Orlesian occupation was rewarded with nothing for the elves, despite their heroism in fighting against the Orlesian Empire.

But in Fereldan I don't see any purge coming soon. 

[Eliastion]

Part of the point of the City Elf Boon is that the elves can arm themselves and have a milita to defend the people. When people can be purged, I doubt that the rulers want them to be able to defend themselves. So I don't see it as an exaggeration at all.

First of all, I think you misunderstand this. One of the effects of taking this boon is formation of official Alienage militia, that is - a more-or-less military formation dedicated to protection of and maintaining order within the Alienage. It's a big thing because it makes Alienage more independent - a city within a city that doesn't have to rely on Denerim city guard for all order-keeping needs (important change since we know full well that city guard does abysmal job when it comes to protecting elves).
Previous nonexistence of such force doesn't imply elves normally not having right to defend themselves or crimes against them not being crimes. System not working properly to protect them is another matter, though...
Still, my personal view is that it's system not working as intended rather than system being hostile towards the elves.

[Addai]

Still, my personal view is that it's system not working as intended rather than system being hostile towards the elves.

So when Soris and Nelaros/Tabris go to rescue the women, they have to borrow a sword because...? Keeping in mind that Nelaros is a blacksmith, and Tabris has been trained in swordplay by Addaia. There is also mention that elves can't marry without a permit from the Chantry.

 

I'd say the system is pretty well stacked, also in Ferelden.

[Xilizhra]

So when Soris and Nelaros/Tabris go to rescue the women, they have to borrow a sword because...? Keeping in mind that Nelaros is a blacksmith, and Tabris has been trained in swordplay by Addaia. There is also mention that elves can't marry without a permit from the Chantry.

 

I'd say the system is pretty well stacked, also in Ferelden.

The signs saying "those elves who have swords will die upon them" or something are up in the Alienage then, long before Howe's purge.

[Addai]

The signs saying "those elves who have swords will die upon them" or something are up in the Alienage then, long before Howe's purge.

I don't think they're there in the origin.

[Xilizhra]

I don't think they're there in the origin.

I checked, they are.

[Eliastion]

(...) There is also mention that elves can't marry without a permit from the Chantry.(...)

Errrm. It would be kinda strange if they could, seeing as there is no such thing as "civil marriage" in Andrastian Thedas.

Though I must install the game sometime and go look for those posters in CE origin, since you guys say they're there.

[Addai]

I checked, they are.

Well there you have it.

 

Errrm. It would be kinda strange if they could, seeing as there is no such thing as "civil marriage" in Andrastian Thedas.

Thus forcing elves to ask permission of an entirely human religious hierarchy in order to be able to marry. The fact that they even bother is what baffles me.

[Eliastion]

Thus forcing elves to ask permission of an entirely human religious hierarchy in order to be able to marry. The fact that they even bother is what baffles me.

It baffles me that it baffles you. Alienage elves are Andrastian, just as humans. Humans marry. Elves marry. What's so strange about the latter? It's not some foreign religion, it's their religion. Of course the marriage needs an ordained cleric to bless the union in face of the Maker and make it official! Lack of elven clerics is inconvenient, but changes nothing.

[BronzTrooper]

........ I'm not sure if this thread is safe, but I'm posting here anyway.

[MisterJB]

I'm counting four possible elven riots in DAO's epilogues.

That probably contributes to the ban on weapons.

[Addai]

It baffles me that it baffles you. Alienage elves are Andrastian, just as humans. Humans marry. Elves marry. What's so strange about the latter? It's not some foreign religion, it's their religion. Of course the marriage needs an ordained cleric to bless the union in face of the Maker and make it official! Lack of elven clerics is inconvenient, but changes nothing.

To you it doesn't. It's a blatant sign of the systematic oppression.

 

I'm counting four possible elven riots in DAO's epilogues.

That probably contributes to the ban on weapons.

"Riots," yeah.  I'm sure those orphans were terrorizing the local populace.

[ctd757]

We will get an Elven kingdom or elven genocide

[TheJediSaint]

We will get an Elven kingdom or elven genocide

You say that like those are mutually exclusive.

[TEWR]

 

 

"Riots," yeah.  I'm sure those orphans were terrorizing the local populace.

 

Agreed. The Butcher of Denerim loves killing Elves, no matter their age, and deems it "culling the herd". What happened there was unconscionable.

 

That said, MisterJB was talking about the epilogue riots, not the ones that happened beforehand.

 

 

I'm counting four possible elven riots in DAO's epilogues.

That probably contributes to the ban on weapons.

Not that that helps anything, as the Elves are still able to get weapons anyway. Even if they weren't, they could fashion their own. It's a pointless endeavour, more so since very few guards actually deign to go into the Alienage as I remember. 

 

The riots were pretty extensive, spanning across the Alienage. The garrison wasn't strong enough to control the Elves and when Howe came along he immediately launched a purge of the Alienage, going so far as to sack the orphanage. It seems that the orphanage also doubled as a shelter for apostate mages (given that there are Abominations there) and the violence and upheaval was so bad it tore the Veil.

 

Really, if we didn't solve that, it could've ended badly for the Alienage -- during the Blight or after. And possibly gone further into Denerim.

 

But let's be honest here, the people in power can and will deem anything they want as a "riot", whether it is or not, especially to marginalized and oppressed groups.

 

Dozens of Elves could be gathered in a spot yet are doing nothing at all and someone like Howe or Vaughan might deem it a riot.

[Addai]

Agreed. The Butcher of Denerim loves killing Elves, no matter their age, and deems it "culling the herd". What happened there was unconscionable.
 
That said, MisterJB was talking about the epilogue riots, not the ones that happened beforehand.

They called the Origins slaughter a "riot," too.
 

The riots were pretty extensive, spanning across the Alienage. The garrison wasn't strong enough to control the Elves and when Howe came along he immediately launched a purge of the Alienage, going so far as to sack the orphanage. It seems that the orphanage also doubled as a shelter for apostate mages (given that there are Abominations there) and the violence and upheaval was so bad it tore the Veil.

That could as easily have been young mage children whose abilities hadn't surfaced or simply due to the Veil weakening from the massacre.