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Is Solas' Crusade Actually A Fool's Errand?


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By the end of the game, we can all deduce that Solas plans to right his past wrongs by finding a way for elves to regain their lost glory. How exactly he's going to do that remains to be seen.

 

But is it just a means to an End?

 

I say this because If you play a Dalish, you have the option to ask Mythal why didn't she help the Dalish, to which she replies Something along the lines of: What was done could not be changed.

 

And that's exactly what it seems Solas is trying to do. Change what was done.



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Maybe the time-travel magic will actually be relevant, which is both good and terrible.
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I think Solas might actually want to expand the veil so that it covers all of thedas. It would explain why the orb landed in the hands of Cory, while also being in line with the conversation you can have regarding spirits and mortals possibly living side by side.



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There has been many theories circulated.  

 

I think that Solas is trying to help the People and has been for thousand of years.  Every time he thinks he's done it and the People are finally okay, he goes back to sleep (uthenra) only to wake up later and find that everything he has done was for naught.  He then has to start again.  This is heavily hinted if you have high disaproval with him.  He'll say something along the lines of "I've joined my fair share of causes in my time".

 

After the events of the temple of Mythal, he'll say something about never letting other people seize your power, lest they squander everything you have fought for.

 

 

He was revealed as Fen'Harel, the god of rebellion.  If you read the codex entry for meaning of the word Harellan (trickster), it stems actually from "Noble struggle".

 

I don't think he has an endgame as catastrophic as expanding the veil (if so, what was the point of all of those damn Elven Artifacts).

There's also a banter between him and Dorian where Solas tells him "Hush Dorian.  Empires rise and fall." hinting that restoring the glory or Arlathan might not be his goal either.

You'll also see in his conversations that he is against any form of slavery or control.

I think he simply wishes the People to be free and take back their place in the world.  (They're currently either slaves in Tevinter, 2nd class citizens in Orlais and Ferelden or wanderers in the woods.  Very far from what they were.)

 

Since his Orb was broken (if you're an elf, he'll say they were dedicated to specific members of the elven pantheon), I think he lost his "godhood" somewhat and thus needed to steal someone else's if he was to continue his fight for the People.

 

There's a lot more going on but I hope that answers your question.


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I think his ultimate goal is for the Elves to all regain their magic and power. He is also a closet racist, if you are on his good side and not an elf he expresses joyful surprise that you aren't like the rest of your race, so I am of the opinion that he cares diddly squat about any race but the elves.



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I always befriend Solas and get a lots of approval from him and the game ends with us being friends but from the player point of view, it looks like Solas continues to hurt and kill more people the harder he tries to fix his past messes. Of course I don't know what really happened in the past because the game and Solas haven't told us but probably Cory couldn't have killed so many people in one go without Solas giving him the means (the orb) to do so. And those people died because Cory wasn't successful. More would die it he had gotten his way. 

 

If Solas wants to help others, I think he needs to accept the mistakes he made in the past and stop trying to "fix" them. 



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The elven artifacts measure and strengthen the veil. It could all just have been a giant experiment to see exactly how much power he would need in order to "fix" the world.

 

Remember that Solas didn't have enough strength/power to use the orb? My interpertation is that he didn't have enough power to do what he wanted. Cory probably had even less, but Solas might have been more interested in seeing the effect and then measuring the impact.

 

In the veil, thoughts are made real. With that, he could re-create everything with a thought. Anyway, those are just my thoughts on what I think would make for an interesting setting.


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I think his ultimate goal is for the Elves to all regain their magic and power. He is also a closet racist, if you are on his good side and not an elf he expresses joyful surprise that you aren't like the rest of your race, so I am of the opinion that he cares diddly squat about any race but the elves.

 

The thing with Solas is that he doesn't seem to really care diddly squat about anyone, including the elves.  He seems to want to create, or re-create, some sort of ideal for them, but he doesn't really seem to care whether they want it or not.


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It seems like the gods of the elves were warring with each other and having the elves do the same, to end the war he locked/tricked/packed up/banishd the gods to the veil where they seem to have forgotten themselves. He went to sleep himself and when he awoke saw the races weren't doing better than when he left and in fact there were new problems, the darkspawn.  Also, Solas does not see spirits as most do and recognizes that they are shapd by the desires of men, so opening the viel between worlds would, for him, not be about unleashing demons.  I think he was probably trying to set free the other "gods."

 

I don't think racist is the right term for him; he has seen the weakness of the races of women and men and their selfishness- he's lived longer and seen more.



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Small correction.  Sorry if that's annoying.  I've seen the word "veil" misused a bit here...

 

You cannot be "in" the veil.  That's the fade.  The veil is the barrier that separates the world from the fade.



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It was mentioned somewhere in DAI that the veil isn't just a barrier. I think Solas said something along those lines. But yeah, up untill DAI I thought the veil was just a thin barrier awell.



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Since his Orb was broken (if you're an elf, he'll say they were dedicated to specific members of the elven pantheon), I think he lost his "godhood" somewhat and thus needed to steal someone else's if he was to continue his fight for the People.

This all is true only if Solas considers the elves "his people", this is not clear. 

 

I'm not entirely convinced that fixing the situation for elves is his primal goal, at least not in the sense of rising into former glory etc,


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This all is true only if Solas considers the elves "his people", this is not clear. 

 

I'm not entirely convinced that fixing the situation for elves is his primal goal, at least not in the sense of rising into former glory etc,

 

I think he would maybe considers the ancient elves his people (elvhen).  The immortal ones.  Like Abelas.

But then again, Fen'Harel is from both (and neither) worlds (Thedas and the Fade).

You'll notice that Fen'Harel is the only elven god depicted as an animal rather than an elf.

He seems to like the Fade more than the "real" world though.

So I think that Solas is unique, much like Cole is unique.  Why might be why his greatest fear is to "Die alone".

 

But whether or not he considers himself the same/equal to the elves of current times does not enter into the equation, I think.

 

The People (capital P) is an other name for the elves (elvhen).

During the epilogue, he clearly states he wants to help the People.  They need him.  I believe this encompasses all elves, both current and ancient.

As to how he wants to help them, I believe he just doesn't want them to be slaves or 2nd class citizens anymore.  

To him, the former "glory" of Arlathan doesn't exist.  It was an empire as guilty as Tevinter.  They had slaves and their gods were fickle and spiteful, which it seems is the reason why he locked them away.

 

But I could be wrong.  He does tell Abelas that the ancient elves still live (and linger).  Maybe what he really wants is to wake up all of the ancient elves and restore them.  All I have are theories.  Faith, not truths.  :)


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IDK but my Inquis and Solas were bffs.

 

Hopefully, when his evul plan comes to fruition, he'll try to kill her last.



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   Maybe what he really wants is to wake up all of the ancient elves and restore them.  All I have are theories.  Faith, not truths.   :)

Yeah, it's all  good, I'm speculating too. I got the impression that while he doesn't like the current state of the elves, it was more on principle and that his primal goal is something else. His fear of dying alone is probably his drive to do whatever he is to do.



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Yeah, it's all  good, I'm speculating too. I got the impression that while he doesn't like the current state of the elves, it was more on principle and that his primal goal is something else. His fear of dying alone is probably his drive to do whatever he is to do.

 

I actually find it quite surprising and delightful in a way that the fans are as divided about Solas and Fen'Harel as the people of Thedas are :)

It means the writers did their jobs.  I think Solas is greatly misunderstood as Fen'Harel is in the game.

But for what it's worth, I have faith in Solas.  Isn't it what the game is about?  Who you place your faith in?  Mmmm...

 

Though I think is endgame is to help the elves, I also believe the means by how he does it is as described in the following video.

This theory has a huge impact if it is correct and is a big spoiler so watch at your own risks.

In fact, I recommend watching all of Geek Remix' videos.

 

Spoiler

 

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I think his ultimate goal is for the Elves to all regain their magic and power. He is also a closet racist, if you are on his good side and not an elf he expresses joyful surprise that you aren't like the rest of your race, so I am of the opinion that he cares diddly squat about any race but the elves.


I didn't read that as racism. He isn't particularly happy with the elves' thinking or the dwarves, for that matter - he seems to be generally against conservative thinking which is quite apt given that... Whatever he is, he once answered to the title of the the God of noble rebellion.

The fact that's he's impressed by a non-elf inquisitor is more to do with the fact that the inquisitor has kept his mind open and his perspective grounded rather than flitting off into arrogance and megalomania. Although I obviously didn't know it at the time, the more I think about this post-game, the more it seems that what he was basically saying was that he can't believe a mortal being given all this power can handle it as well as the inquisitor has, and that had he and the rest of the elven pantheon had that approach, they wouldn't have ended up sealed away. This fits with his final words to the Inquisitor right before he disappears.
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We're probably going to kill him in DA 4, so I suppose yes, it is a fool's errand. 



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I think his ultimate goal is for the Elves to all regain their magic and power. He is also a closet racist, if you are on his good side and not an elf he expresses joyful surprise that you aren't like the rest of your race, so I am of the opinion that he cares diddly squat about any race but the elves.

 

Well that makes two of us, Solas and me.

 

But Solas doesn't care about the elves nearly as much as he cares about spirits. This heavily implies that Solas, Mythal, and all the rest are in fact spirits that have been constantly taking over the bodies of willing elves. Considering how amazingly strong abominations have been shown as being, this is entirely in line with these abominations being classified as gods. And when you look at it in that fashion, all the old elvish lore makes sense, as well as the events at the end of DA:I, the Old Gods, everything.



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I wouldn't be surprised if his approval or disapproval of the Inquisitor changes absolutely nothing.

 

We're probably going to kill him in DA 4, so I suppose yes, it is a fool's errand. 

 

You just know that the DA team will be wearing heavy duty flame shielding if it came down to this, but I kind of hope it does.



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Bonus if it done by a Tevinter to save the day.



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Can someone explain to me what Solas expected Corypheus to do with the orb? 

 

At a best guess...he thought Corypheus would destroy the veil? Thus returning the world to the state he prefers? 

Like, when he gave Corypheus the orb, what was his best-case scenario? If everything had gone according to plan, Corypheus would have...? 



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Mostly I think he just wanted the orb unlocked so he could use the power that had building up for millennia, he might have thought the explosion would kill Corypheus and he could simply take the orb back.


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Creating Utopia tends to be a Fool's Errand.


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Mostly I think he just wanted the orb unlocked so he could use the power that had building up for millennia, he might have thought the explosion would kill Corypheus and he could simply take the orb back.


There did seem to be an assumption on his part that Corypheus surviving the explosion was something he was genuinely confused by.... As opposed to his normal habit of being comfortable with not knowing everything. Though I'm not sure how much of that was his lack of awareness that Cory could simply resurrect himself and how much was his realisation that handing over a massively powerful elven artefact to a power-mad tevinter Darkspawn magister wasn't a particularly wise risk to take.