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Is Solas' Crusade Actually A Fool's Errand?


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Can someone explain to me what Solas expected Corypheus to do with the orb? 
 
At a best guess...he thought Corypheus would destroy the veil? Thus returning the world to the state he prefers? 

Like, when he gave Corypheus the orb, what was his best-case scenario? If everything had gone according to plan, Corypheus would have...?


I think the plan was for cory to foci his powers with the orb thus getting rid of the veil and dying in the explosion. That way the evil magister gets dealt with and does Solas' dirty work all in one setting. This would make the fade and thedas nearly inseparable.

As for what Solas plans to do after this happens is all theory.

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Creating Utopia tends to be a Fool's Errand.

 

That depends on whether you can find anything to do the menial chores that are necessary to make society function.



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That depends on whether you can find anything to do the menial chores that are necessary to make society function.

 

It doesn't really depend on anything. Attempting to establish a functional society and attempting to establish a utopian one are two totally separate things.



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If you have been friends or have romanced him, after the temple of Mythal you can have a conversation where he asks you about what you plan to do - you can say you'll make a better future - and he will ask what happens if you fail - you respond that you will take a breath, see what went wrong and try again. He is very pleased with this answer as I don't think he ever felt he could make things right going forward, he was always looking to change the past.


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I'm certain Solas is looking to change something fundamental in Thedas to help the elves in some way.

Precisely what that way is and how he seeks to achieve it, I haven't the faintest idea.

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I thought the explosion was because the orb was knocked out of cory's hands.



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I wouldn't be surprised if his approval or disapproval of the Inquisitor changes absolutely nothing.

I see it making difference in "I like you, but i still have to do what I must, I hope you understand" vs "You never understood me, but this must be done, I don't care if you like this or not" or something similar.


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If you have been friends or have romanced him, after the temple of Mythal you can have a conversation where he asks you about what you plan to do - you can say you'll make a better future - and he will ask what happens if you fail - you respond that you will take a breath, see what went wrong and try again. He is very pleased with this answer as I don't think he ever felt he could make things right going forward, he was always looking to change the past.

 

This highly interests me for personal reasons. :ph34r: #ME3



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That conversation when you say you just keep on trying and he says thank you for giving him hope, makes me really worried I may have inadvertently encouraged him to do something really stupid.  I have found it much more revealing to have him as a friend than a romance because I can keep a more impartial view on what he says and not get distracted by those heart icons.     Trying to fathom him out though is well nigh impossible.   Just when you think you are beginning to understand where he is coming from, he springs something different on you.

 

I don't think he regards modern elves in any way as "his People".    I had a hilarious conversation after we got back from the Winter Palace having made Briala ruler through her puppet Gaspard.    I commented that I hoped it would help our People.    For a moment he was genuinely puzzled and then the penny dropped "Oh you mean the elves".   I was thinking, "Of course, what did you think I meant?"   I was laughing to myself because he was clearly thinking about someone else and yet of course the elven Inquisitor isn't able to pursue the matter with him.   

 

Then later when Abelas pointedly says "You are not of my People" to Lavellan and yet acknowledges Solas as an "elvhen".    Once again, apparently Lavellan completely misses this and never thinks to question him about it.    Plus the way he puts down Morrigan when she is repeating the history of Fen'Harel that is told by the Dalish.    Even stranger is that after you have actually met Mythal, any Inquisitor, much less an elven one, doesn't race round to Solas and say "Guess who I've just met?" or alternatively, if Solas was actually there, "What did you think of that?"

 

There is also the matter of spirits.   I had always assumed the reason he was so upset about what the Grey Wardens were doing was that they were harming spirits by pulling them through the veil and binding them.   Not a bit of it.    Rather as with the Briala/elf speech, I said something to the effect of don't worry we'll help the demons and once again he didn't immediately get why I would be saying this, before recovering himself.    I assume from this, therefore, that what was bothering him was that they were intending attacking the last two remaining old gods and he disapproves if you recall all the achievements of the Wardens in the past because that included slaughtering the previous five.

 

So I think any People he intends to help comprise the ancient elves, like Abelas, who are still to be found in the far reaches of Thedas, and the elven gods, wherever they may be.    Even if we don't have to kill him, I wouldn't be surprised if he unleashes another bad guy (or more than one) on Thedas and we have to clear up his mess for him.     I'm hoping that Flemeth/Mythal's plan involves avenging herself on them, so she had to let him have her power in order that he could release them (because he is the only one who can) but that she has a contingency plan (probably involving Morrigan) that means that she will be aiding the PC in order to finally gain her revenge.


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I see it making difference in "I like you, but i still have to do what I must, I hope you understand" vs "You never understood me, but this must be done, I don't care if you like this or not" or something similar.

 

Me too.

 

Maybe it could impact the very conclusion of the arc, however. But so far, I'll only EXPECT a tonal and relationship nature change.

 

I'd certainly like alternate choices (and not just 'more' choice if friendly with Solas, but 'alternate' if either friendly or not friendly) though. It is such a story that I want control over how things go down, even as I'm open to being surprised from the writers about what I'll actually face and have to think about.


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Maybe the true purpose of the Elven artifacts was to weaken the veil, not strengthen it? It wouldn't be the first time Solas lied about something.



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I'm certain Solas is looking to change something fundamental in Thedas to help the elves in some way.

Precisely what that way is and how he seeks to achieve it, I haven't the faintest idea.


I vaguely recall him saying to my inquisitor that whatever the outcome to know that he always respected him. So he may be about to in big bird's words: Ruffle some feathers.

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Maybe the true purpose of the Elven artifacts was to weaken the veil, not strengthen it? It wouldn't be the first time Solas lied about something.

 

Oh it could be to alter the veil, to be weakened in one way, but altered to support a different way instead? Soften it? Allow smoother passage through the Veil? I'm just making up stuff.

 

*shrug*



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I think if Solas wanted to bring down the veil it would be in a way that wouldn't pervert and drive spirits mad like the breach did.


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