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[Shelled]

Had Bioware sold me the Pre-Alpha version of this game rather than the "complete" version I think I would of given the game a lot more credit. I would of not had gotten so bored like I am with the final version.

 

This is what I wanted to play.

 

I'm currently on my second play through and I'm struggling to complete it because the game is so damn boring with all of the fetch and filler quests. I remember enjoying DA2 far more. Hell I've probably had gone through 5 or more characters until I purchased Origins.

Totally. What the hell happened to customizing our keeps that we capture? That feature isn't even in the game O.O

[Dinkledorf]

Suffice to say that for some (me included):

 

1. agree that there is a ton of content in DAI

2. agree that a disproportionately large amount of said content is boring therefore doing more is not the answer since games are supposed to be fun not a chore

3. are surprised that DAI has taken a tad of a departure from its predecessors which is not necessarily bad except for the departure was in lieu of number 2 above

4. are not trying to sway their opinion on anybody else, simply stating how they feel, unlike some others here

5. are generally disappointed by how DAI turned out for them, not for you, for them (me included)

 

Sorry for putting words into anybody else's mouth, I do believe I am for the most part accurate but if not so, then I speak solely for myself.

[Rizilliant]

you forget to mention the 3 dragons in emprise du lion and that you have to fight against them.

i have no problem if some people think that something feels not right.

 

but to say ..(in general)  that the large environments are beautiful but waste time .. is not right... its not waste time

the op said into his first post that this is all aimless wandering only because he didn't like to explore...or because he didn't like to make other quests as the main quests..or both.

 

aimless wandering ? thats simply not true.

How is that not right?  We've stated specifically, and reiterated time, and time again, that its beautiful.. But almost all of it, is pointless to go through..  FOR US!

 

Mark any, and all locations where you go for main quests, and followers quests on those 10 maps.. See how much of it is devoid of anything meaningful now? Not that i think im gonna get through to you.. You clearly seem to be hell bent on arguing in opposition for the sake of arguing.. Very little of your counter points have any merrit.. Or meaning for that matter..

 

Aimless wandering is exactly  what you're doing, if not playing connect the dots with quest markers.. Too much of the map has nothing in it, but environment.. Sure, one could argue you go through for herbs, and ore.. But thats the point were making..

 

Nevermind, forget i said anything..  Its like talking to a wall.. How you can sit there, with a straight face, and tell someone their opinions "are wrong" again, and again, is beyond me...

[Archerwarden]

Suffice to say that for some (me included):
 
1. agree that there is a ton of content in DAI
2. agree that a disproportionately large amount of said content is boring therefore doing more is not the answer since games are supposed to be fun not a chore
3. are surprised that DAI has taken a tad of a departure from its predecessors which is not necessarily bad except for the departure was in lieu of number 2 above
4. are not trying to sway their opinion on anybody else, simply stating how they feel, unlike some others here
5. are generally disappointed by how DAI turned out for them, not for you, for them (me included)
 
Sorry for putting words into anybody else's mouth, I do believe I am for the most part accurate but if not so, then I speak solely for myself.

I'm sorry what? Please don't take offense but not even sure what you are getting at? And don't mean to be harsh but....
Are you upset with the threads contents? Are you trying to summarize and wrap up the thread? Or something else?

Or are you do you really want to know if I agree with what you just posted?
Because heck no, you don't speak for me, my posts speak for themselves (be happy to clarify anything) and no you are not accurate as to how I feel.

[Ashen Nedra]

true .

you also never have to play the game .will be the same like to skip all.

 

stop to skip all content even if you could do it!

the goal of the game is to enjoy it and not to be the first who finish it..without to know the most content.

 

 

if i play a game then i don't care about skip buttons and  simply play  it... i use all content in the game .if you havent fought with all dragons then you can't talk about how it is or not... and if you never used all gameplay content then you can't say that the game was bad or good.

 

if someone say that he missed something into the large environments...that there was not much content  or that something didn't feel right... then i could say: then just play all the content ..all what you skipped before into these large environments because that's what you missed.

 

well i guess dai 4 will be only a big red skip button to prevent the aimless wandering...or a  teleporter game... teleport from quest to quest and back... if much quests could be skipped too or all quests are only main quests then the game time will be 5 hours long with cutscenes... without cutscenes will be  the play time then 4 hours  long ... congratz! dai 5 will be: play the begin of the story and the end.what about all else? skipped!

I killed the Ravager on NM, with a melee rogue. Then a second time with Blackwall and Vivienne only. For the 'challenge'. Wasn't fun. I usually do everything in a game. sorry, but I really strongly disliked DAI. No offense to you I hope

[Realmzmaster]

I find it funny that many posters on this forum have no problem with telling me and other so-called staunch defenders or fanboys/girls (pick your term) that their opinions are wrong (along with personal attacks sometimes). I always state that the views I hold are mine and mine alone and that for everyone else YMMV. So that coin can be flip for both sides. I also state that many times that one will have to agree to disagree.

 

I like exploration for the sake of exploration. I do not need a story to give incentive to go somewhere. For others that is not the case I understand that. I want to see what is over the next hill, valley or stream bed. Exploring the terrain interests me. The environment for me becomes the story. The characters I meet in those travels are memorable. Bioware has finally given me a game that is akin to Baldur's Gate 1. The BG series has always been superior in my opinion to the DA series until DAI.

 

I will defend what I like. I make no apologies for that. If that makes me a staunch defender or fanboy then paint me in Bioware colors and wrap me in the Bioware banner.

 

As far as how many posters like or dislike DAI it does not matter in my opinion. The only opinion that matters when I spend my money is my own.

 

I will continue to voice to Bioware what I like and dislike in their games. But as always YMMV.

[Il Divo]

Actually i Agree.. ME2, and 3 are more akin to 3rd person shooters, in the action genre, than rpg.. Ive stated such many, many times..

 

To the defenders.. Again, i challenge you.. Count how many people are bored with, wont play a 2nd time, or even complete the 1st, feel lied too, are physically unable to play, or enjoy Inquisition.. Now count those of you who claim its good, and compare.. On this forum (obviously not everyone who bought the game) far out number those enjoying..  Even if it were a 50/50 split(its not on this forum), thats really bad.. You can go by sales all you wish, but using this forum as anecdotal evidence, less than half of those purchasers are happy with the product.. Buyers remorse, its a real thing!

 

Wait, we're far outnumbered on the Bioware forums? Was this actually established? 

[Rizilliant]

Strangely enough, after mroe than 3,000hrs invested in Skyrim, i still enjoy exploring that environment(admittedly, ts a dumbed down version of a TES game, but still very enjoyable).. Normally, im a person who unlocks every inch of fog of war.. I like to loot every little thing, read every little thing..  So, how i can so utterly loathe Inquisition, and everything (except what little main story/companion story there is), is amazing!

 

Everything it tried to do, imo, it fell short.. And left behind what it did do well, to boot...

[TBJack]

Wait, we're far outnumbered on the Bioware forums? Was this actually established? 

 

Short answer - no

 

The forums aren't a great cross-section of the population.  There isn't really any way to get good numbers for either side short of an actual honest-to-god scientific study.  That's never kept people (and I'm certainly not talking about just this thread) from manufacturing an imaginary majority to lend their views credence in lieu of actual argument.

[Il Divo]

Short answer - no

 

The forums aren't a great cross-section of the population.  There isn't really any way to get good numbers for either side short of an actual honest-to-god scientific study.  That's never kept people (and I'm certainly not talking about just this thread) from manufacturing an imaginary majority to lend their views credence in lieu of actual argument.

 

That's how I pictured it. I remember Gaider telling us a while back that the forums here represented less than 1% of the player base. Even in the context of DA:I, I tend to see the same faces (mine included) popping in similar threads making similar arguments. 

[Archerwarden]

It can be used to foreshadow events, flesh out characters - and example of this could be one character talking about how much different it is from where he grew up. This in turn can lead to conversations that might reveal motives, hopes and dreams, and even a plot point or two. It can also be used to show change, or things that has happened in the area. Maybe things are dying in the area for some evil reason. Take your pick. Why the main characters do what they do, and why they behave or react in a certain way during a story is pretty important.

I know this is not what you are discussing but the above quote reminded me of this:
In DAO in the beginning just after being recruited by Duncan- meeting Jory and Daveth without those dialog and cut scene options to get to know them, find out how they were recruited, why they joined, that Jory had a family - what came later would not have had the same impact. I simply would not have cared. Instead I stared at the screen, reloaded and tried to save them!

In DAI because the options were missing, I found it hard to care and that led to some tedius boring chores.

[Realmzmaster]

Strangely enough, after mroe than 3,000hrs invested in Skyrim, i still enjoy exploring that environment(admittedly, ts a dumbed down version of a TES game, but still very enjoyable).. Normally, im a person who unlocks every inch of fog of war.. I like to loot every little thing, read every little thing..  So, how i can so utterly loathe Inquisition, and everything (except what little main story/companion story there is), is amazing!

 

Everything it tried to do, imo, it fell short.. And left behind what it did do well, to boot...

 

And you have the right to voice that opinion. I will defend your right to do so, I only ask that I be given the same consideration when I voice my opinion even if it is diametrically opposite of yours or anyone else's.

[Realmzmaster]

That's how I pictured it. I remember Gaider telling us a while back that the forums here represented less than 1% of the player base. Even in the context of DA:I, I tend to see the same faces (mine included) popping in similar threads making similar arguments. 

 

Sales figures would tell part of the story, but only Bioware/EA know the exact figures. As far as liking or disliking the game that would require a sample size much larger than what is on the BSN since a vast majority of gamers who bought the game probably do not come here. 

Bioware would have more telemetry data which Bioware has sometimes shared in the past. Usually if you see someone tossing around number like 90% this or that it is hyperbole. If the poster can point to a source then that is a different matter as long as the source is accurate and has validity. 

[Archerwarden]

That's how I pictured it. I remember Gaider telling us a while back that the forums here represented less than 1% of the player base. Even in the context of DA:I, I tend to see the same faces (mine included) popping in similar threads making similar arguments.

Mr. Gaider also stated in response to a question asked about the negative criticism on the forum something to the effect that:
the people who come on the form are those most heavily emotionally invested in the game.

Edited to add: But there does seem to be a lot of criticism of DAI outnumbering the posts that love and are perfectly fine. (shrug)

[TBJack]

Edited to add: But there does seem to be a lot of criticism of DAI outnumbering the posts that love and are perfectly fine. (shrug)

 

Well, I imagine most people don't see the point in making a thread that says

 

"Hey Bioware!... This was pretty good."

[Realmzmaster]

Mr. Gaider also stated in response to a question asked about the negative criticism on the forum something to the effect that:
the people who come on the form are those most heavily emotionally invested in the game.

Edited to add: But there does seem to be a lot of criticism of DAI outnumbering the posts that love and are perfectly fine. (shrug)

 

Maybe because those who like the game are busy playing it. There are threads that start off stating that the OP likes the game and why, but those posts usually descend into post of attack and defense because of disagreement with the OP. The same can also be said of negative posts attracting defenders of the game, but that is the BSN.

[Archerwarden]

I like exploration for the sake of exploration. I do not need a story to give incentive to go somewhere. For others that is not the case I understand that. I want to see what is over the next hill, valley or stream bed. Exploring the terrain interests me. The environment for me becomes the story.

I understand but hope you can also understand differing opinions like mine.

For me, I play different games for different reasons.

Dragon Age I play for the story, the interaction between my hero and my companions, the quest givers, the people in the world. I play for the lore, the world building and immersive feeling, for the writing, for the graphics, and yes for the romance.
The two previous Dragon Age games I also play for the inventory, combat, tactics, skills, attributes.

DAI is a disappointment in all those categories. Because DAI is the third in an already established franchise with an established identity and I expected that to continue not this mostly boring SP MMO.

Regarding exploration: exploration for explorations sake I also find fun and interesting. Where we differ is that play other games to do that and they do it better. Dragon Age I don't play to explore for exploring sake.

[Dinkledorf]

I'm sorry what? Please don't take offense but not even sure what you are getting at? And don't mean to be harsh but....
Are you upset with the threads contents? Are you trying to summarize and wrap up the thread? Or something else?

Or are you do you really want to know if I agree with what you just posted?
Because heck no, you don't speak for me, my posts speak for themselves (be happy to clarify anything) and no you are not accurate as to how I feel.

Not trying to sum up the thread, just my interpretation of the original post and the "some" that have agreed with it after the fact.  It was in response to the post directly above mine, my bad for not quoting.  The only part I am upset at a the few that tend to take the argument to a personal level as if "well you don't agree with me, so you must be stupid".  Nothing wrong at all with disagreement but when all respect is lost for the other party just because they find something boring whereas they do not is not a valid reason to devolve in my opinion.

 

In my defense, if there is one, I did say "some" of the posters certainly not all.  Duly noted though.

[Archerwarden]

Maybe because those who like the game are busy playing it. There are threads that start off stating that the OP likes the game and why, but those posts usually descend into post of attack and defense because of disagreement with the OP. The same can also be said of negative posts attracting defenders of the game, but that is the BSN.

LOL, Yes, that's true, humans being what humans are and all

[DanteYoda]

The Ignore function is a recommended alternative to responding to those making personal attacks. Good advice, and use it often.

I feel when you start ignoring people you miss half of what is said good or bad, i understand it helps with hate but its a very last resort for me.

[pinkjellybeans]

That's how I pictured it. I remember Gaider telling us a while back that the forums here represented less than 1% of the player base. Even in the context of DA:I, I tend to see the same faces (mine included) popping in similar threads making similar arguments. 

 

Actually I often see the same few faces trying to defend every single thing about this game and often saying things like "the people who dislike the game are in the minority". But then you just need to look at the many threads like this one where the first post has over 100 likes and come to the conclusion that that's hardly the minority or "just a few people", at least here in the BSN. If you look at other forums and read comments on videos and articles you can see a lot of disappointed people as well. As for those who don't come to the internet at all, well, we don't know, do we? I'm sure many people like DAI, but to say most of the fans are happy with the game is not accurate because we just don't know. 

[Archerwarden]

Not trying to sum up the thread, just my interpretation of the original post and the "some" that have agreed with it after the fact.  It was in response to the post directly above mine, my bad for not quoting.  The only part I am upset at a the few that tend to take the argument to a personal level as if "well you don't agree with me, so you must be stupid".  Nothing wrong at all with disagreement but when all respect is lost for the other party just because they find something boring whereas they do not is not a valid reason to devolve in my opinion.
 
In my defense, if there is one, I did say "some" of the posters certainly not all.  Duly noted though.

Ah I misunderstood then.

Cool then.

[DanteYoda]

the war table missions are mini games like the mass effect mini games or assassins creed black flag (assassins creed in general) mini games...(you wanna have more examples from games they also include mini games?).....mini games as one part of classic video games are not new....do you remember garret frome the game thief ? ...and yes you are right the purpose of the war table is a alternate methode of storytelling.

whats wrong with it?

the main story you can realy play is the real classic rpg .

 

in skyrim as example you can find many books and letters to read them... thats how you get background storys about the past of the world .. about gods and what happens elsewhere in the world meanwhile you struggle on the other end of the world (as player you are not involved about that what you read .. as example: wars )...this is also a method of storytelling.

I guess the war table is a mini game, but i found it more of a unneeded task, Another game that had similar war table features was The incredible adventures of Van Helsing II and same deal i found myself not enjoying it at all, the first one was amazing second boring as, i guess some mini games just do not appeal to others..

 

Now i do not say i hate all mini games i loved the card game in Final fantasy 8 etc but the war table to me was more chore than enjoyment, the time it took the rewards were terrible and it kinda was very meaningless to the rest of the game.

 

Actually for me the War table mini game is akin to the Skyrim lockpicking mini game, both are well unexciting and tedious.

[Archerwarden]

Well, I imagine most people don't see the point in making a thread that says
 
"Hey Bioware!... This was pretty good."

Commiserating with a bunch of other people is good for the soul!

But there is a thread called "The Thread of Greatness" and don't forget the Romance threads.

[Realmzmaster]

I understand but hope you can also understand differing opinions like mine.

For me, I play different games for different reasons.

Dragon Age I play for the story, the interaction between my hero and my companions, the quest givers, the people in the world. I play for the lore, the world building and immersive feeling, for the writing, for the graphics, and yes for the romance.
The two previous Dragon Age games I also play for the inventory, combat, tactics, skills, attributes.

DAI is a disappointment in all those categories. Because DAI is the third in an already established franchise with an established identity and I expected that to continue not this mostly boring SP MMO.

Regarding exploration: exploration for explorations sake I also find fun and interesting. Where we differ is that play other games to do that and they do it better. Dragon Age I don't play to explore for exploring sake.

 

While for me DAI is not a disappointment in those categories plus it throws in exploration and crafting. That makes me a happy camper. For me DAI is not a boring SP MMO. In fact a great deal of its design reflects (IMHO) back to Baldur's Gate 1 which was the first cRPG and second game from Bioware.

 

The difference is a matter of perspective in maybe the games we have played.