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[TevinterSupremacist]

then they should stop to write nonsens and try to find solutions for the problems in dai ..about these ones  they dont wanna see in da4 again.

only to write about that all looks aimless wandering and that all quests should be main quests and so on doesn't help if no one think about how a game like that could be developed.... if it could be developed.

No, while pointing out a problem and its (possible) solution is obviously better than just pointing out the problem, pointing out the problem alone isn't meaningless either, it's a first step. There's nothing wrong with doing just that. If anything, it'd be a bit arrogant to try to tell the developers how to achieve x, while just telling them you'd like x would not be arrogant at all.

[Realmzmaster]

The problem as I see it that many on either side are saying that they have the majority. Neither side has access to any information to substantiate that claim. No one here can ask the entire population who bought the game what is their opinion. Some of you point to Metacritic and the forums to back up your claim of dissatisfaction others can point to all the People's choice awards won by DAI to show satisfaction.

 

The definitive information is held by Bioware/EA. All I know is that DAI was successful enough to have the CFO say that more DA games will be in the pipeline. Posters can read into that what they will. IMHO, if the CFO is happy then the game did well enough. But, YMMV.

[durengo]

No, while pointing out a problem and its (possible) solution is obviously better than just pointing out the problem, pointing out the problem alone isn't meaningless either, it's a first step. There's nothing wrong with doing just that. If anything, it'd be a bit arrogant to try to tell the developers how to achieve x, while just telling them you'd like x would not be arrogant at all.

true its important to talk about the problems but if this will be all .. and that pages long then you should realise that it is time to make the next step

the next step would be to find solutions and to share them with others.

 

i cant find them here

 

the whole discussion here is only about the question who is right and who is wrong.

and about how many people agree or disagree

or about that the dissapointet part of the community  has more follower as the satisfied part .

this is not a solution.that all has nothing to do with constructive criticism .

 

and again:

its easy to judge about many things but to make it better isnt that easy.

[Rizilliant]

The problem as I see it that many on either side are saying that they have the majority. Neither side has access to any information to substantiate that claim. No one here can ask the entire population who bought the game what is their opinion. Some of you point to Metacritic and the forums to back up your claim of dissatisfaction others can point to all the People's choice awards won by DAI to show satisfaction.

 

The definitive information is held by Bioware/EA. All I know is that DAI was successful enough to have the CFO say that more DA games will be in the pipeline. Posters can read into that what they will. IMHO, if the CFO is happy then the game did well enough. But, YMMV.

Obviously, you're taking my challenge, as your example.. Clearly, i pointed it out as "purely anecdotal", and stated that it in no way, was definitive proof either way...However, with the constant responses of "with the success of GOTY, we can only hope the trend continues".. You know of which posts im referring.. So, i replied with a challenge.. And it still stands.. One can view Metacritic, Youtube posts, these forums, unofficial site forums, facebook, twitter, any posts replying to the professional critiques, etc.(anywhere, positive, or negative in nature) and see the flavor of the responses to them.. It sure seems an overwhelming majority, of those posts are of dissatisfied customers!

[Rizilliant]

true its important to talk about the problems but if this will be all .. and that pages long then you should realise that it is time to make the next step

the next step would be to find solutions and to share them with others.

 

i cant find them here

 

the whole discussion here is only about the question who is right and who is wrong.

and about how many people agree or disagree

or about that the dissapointet part of the community  has more follower as the satisfied part .

this is not a solution.

 

and again:

its easy to judge about many things but to make it better isnt that easy.

You cant find them here?

 

http://forum.bioware...unity-concerns/

 

would be the largest of note.. But a simple search in ANY thread, accross the entire Inquisition forum, yields hundreds of "suggestions, fixes, preferences", etc..

[Elhanan]

Again, while those people complaining at Meatacritic may be dissatisfied, they also may not be customers, as anyone may review and score there. Invalid source, as may be the case with some social sites.

[Rizilliant]

Again, while those people complaining at Meatacritic may be dissatisfied, they also may not be customers, as anyone may review and score there. Invalid source, as may be the case with some social sites.

As youve said  many times.. They sure seem to invoke real passion, in what you claim to be, false reviews.. Any common sense should be able to differentiate the true from false... I cant see anyone taking so much time to create false post after false post, simply to sway an average on metacritic.. Though i dont claim to be in the head of those either.. Its not impossible, though i highly doubt in teh abundance you seem to indicate.. 

 

Not to mention, its one of many suggested places to take note.. Take your Amazon (as i also said) as one.. Presumably "valid" sources, would be those fully favoring the more positive flavor, for your Inquisition... Of that i have little doubt.. I digress..

 

I challenged ALL possible sites to aquire data..

[durengo]

You cant find them here?

http://forum.bioware...unity-concerns/

. But a simple search in ANY thread, accross the entire Inquisition forum, yields hundreds of "suggestions, fixes, preferences", etc..

how tricky from you to use the edit function to remove the link from the video.. and now i got a link to the patch notes of dai  ??  never mind my statement will be to the video and the patch notes:

 

i can find what there? a video about the behave of the companions and about tactic. ok.. what have that to do with all the problems the op was writing about? what have that to do with all the problems you 4  destructive critiscm guys ( i cant see here more as only 4.. even if you wanna tell me that the forum is full of them) are writing about pages long? remember .. destructive critiscm is different then constructive critiscm and i know that into the forum exist constructive critiscm as well.

 

and why should i seek now in 1000 threads and topics solutions for your problems ?  if you have a problem with dai...then use your own mind to find a solution for that ... and write here about that all.

 

otherwise i can't take that all  serious here if you are too comfortable to use your own mind.

[Realmzmaster]

Obviously, you're taking my challenge, as your example.. Clearly, i pointed it out as "purely anecdotal", and stated that it in no way, was definitive proof either way...However, with the constant responses of "with the success of GOTY, we can only hope the trend continues".. You know of which posts im referring.. So, i replied with a challenge.. And it still stands.. One can view Metacritic, Youtube posts, these forums, unofficial site forums, facebook, twitter, any posts replying to the professional critiques, etc.(anywhere, positive, or negative in nature) and see the flavor of the responses to them.. It sure seems an overwhelming majority, of those posts are of dissatisfied customers!

 

As I stated before the gamers who are enjoying the game have very little reason to complain. The most vocal are normally those who are dissatisfied with something. Also if someone does say something is great they may say it once and move on. Very rarely do those who are complaining move on. In fact those who are complaining tend to repeat those complaints especially if someonew comes to defend the product. Also those who are complaining tend to post negatively in threads that are pointing out the good points or praising the game. The same happens with the negative threads they will attract the defenders.

[Lee T]

This game is influenced by Bethesda's open world games... which is always light on the central plot and based on more on exploration. DA:I has stronger plot then the Bethesda games but certainly it is less central plot driven than its predecessors.
 
But "boring" is subjective. Given that I love these types of open world games, I love this game too and hardly find it boring. In some ways, Origins can be considered more boring given that it is a fairly linear game.

It is very subjective indeed. I love both Bethesda and Bioware's style. i've spend countless hours playing Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Oblivion and Skyrim, DAI's project of mixing both should be the ideal recipe for a gamer like me. Unfortunately the end results fail to capture my imagination like any previous Bethesda or Bioware games did.

[Il Divo]

See, but if you read my original post, i specifically said, this forum, other forums, meta critic, facebook, twitter, etc.. An overwhelming majority are of people in disappointment.. And i said as much, that it in no way, is the be all, end all, for conclusive evidence to the exact amount of like/dislike mentality.. 

 

However, its a clear indication, that the game is NOT being received (by the players) in the way the critics, pr, and magazines would lead to believe.. I maintain, that the consumer is the defining factor, and it seems a very large portion of us, are indeed dissatisfied, with DA:I..

 

And even in the context of this forum, your conclusion is questionable. Who is this "overwhelming majority"? 100 people liking an opening post on a forum page? Was a dislike button implemented? Is every single one of those posts genuine (there's about 5-6 posters I'd alone pull from that group) ? Aren't there some posters who like DA:I overall being mis-represented in this? Was this conducted randomly or is this simply the most invested fans expressing their opinion (non-probability sampling)? 

 

As I said, show us evidence of your "overwhelming majority" on this forum, which accounts for far more than 200 posters, as I understand it, even while representing less than 1% of the total fan base. 

[Realmzmaster]

As youve said  many times.. They sure seem to invoke real passion, in what you claim to be, false reviews.. Any common sense should be able to differentiate the true from false... I cant see anyone taking so much time to create false post after false post, simply to sway an average on metacritic.. Though i dont claim to be in the head of those either.. Its not impossible, though i highly doubt in teh abundance you seem to indicate.. 

 

Not to mention, its one of many suggested places to take note.. Take your Amazon (as i also said) as one.. Presumably "valid" sources, would be those fully favoring the more positive flavor, for your Inquisition... Of that i have little doubt.. I digress..

 

I challenged ALL possible sites to aquire data..

 

It is quite easy for neither side to find sites that will support their point of view. So those sites end up canceling each other out. As far as Bioware/EA is concerned it how well financially the product did. The critical acclaim (GOTY, People's Choice) is icing on the cake.

[Elhanan]

As youve said  many times.. They sure seem to invoke real passion, in what you claim to be, false reviews.. Any common sense should be able to differentiate the true from false... I cant see anyone taking so much time to create false post after false post, simply to sway an average on metacritic.. Though i dont claim to be in the head of those either.. Its not impossible, though i highly doubt in teh abundance you seem to indicate.. 
 
Not to mention, its one of many suggested places to take note.. Take your Amazon (as i also said) as one.. Presumably "valid" sources, would be those fully favoring the more positive flavor, for your Inquisition... Of that i have little doubt.. I digress..
 
I challenged ALL possible sites to aquire data..

Have no idea what motivates either extreme to post false reviews, esp on or even before launch dates. And since a false owner may Copy & Paste actual reviews as their own, differentiating between reviews may be a bit more difficult than expected. And the avg is skewed by the extreme votes, as some others have indicated:
 

papercut_ninja, on 05 Jan 2015 - 02:51 AM, said:

As has been pointed out, the haters who give the game a 0 and the fanboys who give it a 10 does not statistically cancel each other out. If you have 1000 haters who give the game a 0, and 1000 fanboys who give the game a 10 the average score is 5. If you add 1000 balanced reviews that score somewhere between 5 and 10 with an average of 7,5, that only brings the average up to 6 ((1000x0) + (1000x10) + (1000x7,5))/3000.

So the more polarized the userbase and discussion around the game is, the more the average scores will be drifting towards 5,0.

AFAIK, those that score reviews at Amazon must be owners, so I personally give these more credibility as a whole, though I sift through them separately. But I do agree that it is wise to attempt to gather intel from a variety of sources, as to avoid hearing from either the Haters or the Choir on most anything.

P.S. It is also best to avoid on assuming on anything. Had an auto-graphed baseball from Ronald Reagan that might surprise some on my stances for instance.

[Rizilliant]

As I stated before the gamers who are enjoying the game have very little reason to complain. The most vocal are normally those who are dissatisfied with something. Also if someone does say something is great they may say it once and move on. Very rarely do those who are complaining move on. In fact those who are complaining tend to repeat those complaints especially if someonew comes to defend the product. Also those who are complaining tend to post negatively in threads that are pointing out the good points or praising the game. The same happens with the negative threads they will attract the defenders.

Oh? I didnt see those defenders here "move on".. And while i agree, that many come here, after becoming angry, others come for hints, tricks, to chat, or while at work on their phone..  People nowadays have their internet in their pocket.. Ths isnt the 90's, when only some came to the forum.. Pro, and con alike, venture the web.. That argument is dated..

 

 

Ofcourse, it might be easier, for all of you, to just admit your unwilling to take the challenge..  I know where the feelings lie.. Your taking the long way about i declining.. 

Ahh.. anyway.. Wifes got dinner ready.. Have fun! 

[Il Divo]

Are you actually required to own a product to post an amazon review? I was under the impression that anyone could do it of their own volition. 

[Elhanan]

Are you actually required to own a product to post an amazon review? I was under the impression that anyone could do it of their own volition.

I believe so, but this is based only on my experience as an owner. DAI is my first and only review. And perhaps this varies for varied products.

[durengo]

 

Ofcourse, it might be easier, for all of you, to just admit your unwilling to take the challenge..  I know where the feelings lie.. Your taking the long way about i declining.. 

Ahh.. anyway.. Wifes got dinner ready.. Have fun! 

i would say that we are adults and that we mustn't prove ourselves into a challenge.not like teens or kids think they must.there is simply no challenge...thats all.

no matter what you say or i say .. there is no proof.

[Jeffry]

I agree with you OP. The worst thing for me personally was how the game was presented. If they had said from the beginning the game will be an action rpg with stronger emphasis on the open world aspect rather than on the main story, I would have been less dissatisfied. I probably would have avoided the game or at least waited for a sale. I love the settings, the world and its lore, but plaything through DAI felt more oftentimes than not like a chore with too much filler and that was never the case with previous BW games.

[Realmzmaster]

Oh? I didnt see those defenders here "move on".. And while i agree, that many come here, after becoming angry, others come for hints, tricks, to chat, or while at work on their phone..  People nowadays have their internet in their pocket.. Ths isnt the 90's, when only some came to the forum.. Pro, and con alike, venture the web.. That argument is dated..

 

 

Ofcourse, it might be easier, for all of you, to just admit your unwilling to take the challenge..  I know where the feelings lie.. Your taking the long way about i declining.. 

Ahh.. anyway.. Wifes got dinner ready.. Have fun! 

 

I will respond that you have no evidence nor proof. As you stated everything you base your assumption on is anecdotal. Which does not amount to anything. There is nothing to challenge when there is no data to back up the assumption. There is nothing to decline because the challenge is based on assumption.

But, YMMV.

[Rizilliant]

I win!

[Realmzmaster]

I win!

 

Win what? or should I say congratulations on whatever you have won??

[Eelectrica]

I think We all win if future DA games give more dynamic content.

[Realmzmaster]

I think We all win if future DA games give more dynamic content.

 

or lose people if it removes content they like.

[Dinkledorf]

Wife made dinner, sounds like a win to me!

[Realmzmaster]

Wife made dinner, sounds like a win to me!

 

I cook dinner for my wife. That is aways a win for me because I get to cook what I want to eat!