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[Dinerenblanc]

I've never played any of the other DA games, but I did finish the Mass Effect series, and to be frank, I found Inquisition to be comparable to ME2. By no means is it better, but some aspects are as good. The cast of characters are just as interesting and fully realized, and the skills allow for a good mix of playstyles. What it's lacking in is focus. There's just way too much filler. There are too many repetitive tasks that have little effect on the plot. All that work was summarized in a short cutscene with some of the Imperial & Fereldan troops that allied with me, and that's about it. Operatives like Fairbanks and Michel are essentially window dressing. Yes, I realize that they also provide Inquisition perks, but those amount to nothing more than small bonuses for the duration of operations at the War Table. The story peaked at the destruction of Haven and pretty much went downhill from there. Also, the finding of Skyhold made very little sense and felt much too convenient.

[Mushashi7]

FYI - Believe the latest Patch has been reported by some to break the Cheat Engine mod.

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I know. But I'm not downloading any new patches. I play Patch 2, and I stay with it.

I will not download any DLC either if it turns up it is not compatible with patch 2.

Not before they fix the cutscene crashes and do something about all the damn collecting.

I look towards Witcher 3 in a couple of month. And I still have Skyrim. This game has been noting but a frustation to me. Such a shame. It's really beautiful made.

[Regan_Cousland]

Hey your back!
I would have liked this as well. Actually the devs did say sometime back that they were going to have unique quests in each region.

Here I thought it meant just what you suggested.

For instance as you said in Fallow Mire - a quest related story as to why there were so many of those undeads and what happened to the people, tying it to the existing quest.

Or in Emprise Du Lion using Michael De Chavin(sp?)as more than a quest giver. He was so dynamic in The Masked Empire and so lifeless in the game.

Add it some great cut scenes like the expression shot from DA2 during the 1st Sacrifice shot - at the Blooming Rose with Jethann. That scene was priceless - I loved Fenris' expression.

Or Morrigan's kitten animation during the talk with Bann Teagon.

All those scenes at life and as Rawgrim not needed but coolness.

 

The expressions and body language of the characters really do add a lot to characterization.

And yes, I just assumed that the game would be full of fascinating story quests -- because why wouldn't I?

This is BioWare and that's what they've always done in the past. 

There were more interesting side characters in the (tiny little) Brecilian Forest in Origins than in any massive region in Inquisition.

What I wouldn't have given to stumble upon a Rhyming Oak, or a talking werewolf, or a mad hermit, in my travels. lol

Alas ... not a one.

[Regan_Cousland]

I reckon I am contrary, but being right almost all of the time is such a burden....

Seriously, am hardly alone in this stance as others have indicated. And while I do like to think I still retain a fair imagination and prefer for RP to solve minor issues (eg; Gold based econ vs other coinage), I also like mods, DLC, etc that offers more options for each Player. In this case, the current cinematic implementation is desired even if I personally consider DAO to be a better overall game.

 

You are stubborn as hell. I and others have made some very fair points and you've conceded nothing. lol

But ... you've contributed a lot to the thread and prompted some good debate, so ... *grumbles* ... we can still be frienemeis.   

 

[Elhanan]

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I know. But I'm not downloading any new patches. I play Patch 2, and I stay with it.

I will not download any DLC either if it turns up it is not compatible with patch 2.

Not before they fix the cutscene crashes and do something about all the damn collecting.

I look towards Witcher 3 in a couple of month. And I still have Skyrim. This game has been noting but a frustation to me. Such a shame. It's really beautiful made.

Am Techless, but is there any chance it is your rig? There are a few Techies that are quite helpful in the PC Concerns thread in the News forums that may be of help.

[Elhanan]

You are stubborn as hell. I and others have made some very fair points and you've conceded nothing. lol

But ... you've contributed a lot to the thread and prompted some good debate, so ... *grumbles* ... we can still be frienemeis. 

er... I did say I was willing to compromise on MQ related missions. So it appears that I was right again....

[Rawgrim]

You are stubborn as hell. I and others have made some very fair points and you've conceded nothing. lol

But ... you've contributed a lot to the thread and prompted some good debate, so ... *grumbles* ... we can still be frienemeis.   

 

 

He is stubborn as hell. Which is why I respect the fellow. I suffer from the same affliction.

[Regan_Cousland]

He is stubborn as hell. Which is why I respect the fellow. I suffer from the same affliction.

 

We're all still passionately debating the same issue twenty-seven pages after the thread began, so I guess we're all pretty stubborn. lol

[Elhanan]

I've never played any of the other DA games, but I did finish the Mass Effect series, and to be frank, I found Inquisition to be comparable to ME2. By no means is it better, but some aspects are as good. The cast of characters are just as interesting and fully realized, and the skills allow for a good mix of playstyles. What it's lacking in is focus. There's just way too much filler. There are too many repetitive tasks that have little effect on the plot. All that work was summarized in a short cutscene with some of the Imperial & Fereldan troops that allied with me, and that's about it. Operatives like Fairbanks and Michel are essentially window dressing. Yes, I realize that they also provide Inquisition perks, but those amount to nothing more than small bonuses for the duration of operations at the War Table. The story peaked at the destruction of Haven and pretty much went downhill from there. Also, the finding of Skyhold made very little sense and felt much too convenient.

Only speculation, but I believe Solas was the source for locating Skyhold; seems to fit the remaining story fairly well.

[Mushashi7]

Am Techless, but is there any chance it is your rig? There are a few Techies that are quite helpful in the PC Concerns thread in the News forums that may be of help.

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There is no way I'm going to buy new hardware to play a game that hasn't been optimized or scripted well enough.
It is not at my end the errors have been made. I haven't got a sign on my back that say "I'm with stupid!"

I bought the game incl. DLC. And it doesn't work. No other game gives me troubles like this.
It's bad craftmanship.

My patience is used. Three month and still no fix for PC that gives me a chance to play the game in full.

I've given up on this game. I look for alternatives now.

[Elhanan]

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There is no way I'm going to buy new hardware to play a game that hasn't been optimized or scripted well enough.
It is not at my end the errors have been made. I haven't got a sign on my back that say "I'm with stupid!"

I bought the game incl. DLC. And it doesn't work. No other game gives me troubles like this.
It's bad craftmanship.

My patience is used. Three month and still no fix for PC that gives me a chance to play the game in full.

I've given up on this game. I look for alternatives now.

Yeah... Good luck with that:

http://segmentnext.c...30fps-consoles/

[NasChoka]

Only speculation, but I believe Solas was the source for locating Skyhold; seems to fit the remaining story fairly well.

Yes it was Solas who led us there. It makes sense that he knew about it but it also seemed very convenient to find an empty fortress in walking distance to haven.

[Elhanan]

Yes it was Solas who led us there. It makes sense that he knew about it but it also seemed very convenient to find an empty fortress in walking distance to haven.

If you mean the simulated trek that almost killed the Inquisitor (the one with the cut-scenes to remain OT), it seemed a bit like a sim journey made in the LotR film to Helm's Deep. Only a guess, but because of all the replacement personnel, it appears that this more than a single day or two.

Also, am guessing that Solas knew why is was empty.

[Rawgrim]

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There is no way I'm going to buy new hardware to play a game that hasn't been optimized or scripted well enough.
It is not at my end the errors have been made. I haven't got a sign on my back that say "I'm with stupid!"

I bought the game incl. DLC. And it doesn't work. No other game gives me troubles like this.
It's bad craftmanship.

My patience is used. Three month and still no fix for PC that gives me a chance to play the game in full.

I've given up on this game. I look for alternatives now.

 

Pillars of Eternity is out soon.

[Rawgrim]

Yeah... looking forward to it.

 

The only thing that bums me out is that Obsidian is kind of operating on a more indie level, and not the big production values they could afford in past years. The RPG world needs more companies with a Bioware type of production (but different talent).

 

 

 

Anyways.. I've come to the conclusion on what I have a problem with in DAI. I have no faith in the Inquisitor. Which is the ironic thing, since faith is the big theme. But it's a failure to me, when I as a player, can't even find it believable (I mean, believable from a narrative point of view). And once I don't believe, everything that follows becomes a little more stupid.

 

The people who made the great Bioware games are gone, sadly. They are working on games like Pillars of Eternity, and stuff like that now.

[durengo]

Yes I remember those interesting Skyrim side quests:

• I lost my family heirloom in [x cave]
• I left my bow in [y cave]
• Kill the bandits in [z camp]
• Kill some more bandits in [the same z camp]
• I don't like bears, just kill bears
• Bring this letter to [x somewhere else]
• Go get me some [precious stones / ingredients / etc etc]

They were classic side quests.

 

(actually no, similar to DAI, of course there were some very interesting side quests and also some more mundane ones).

i love skyrim like i love dai but to be fair .. you are right skyrim was full of dull tasks and exploring (critism guys call it 'aimless') wandering too.

but looks like that the criticsm guys dont wanna  remember that.

 

 

 

 

Regan_Cousland (quote)

For example: the quest to rescue Inquisition soldiers in the Fallow Mire could have been greatly expanded and embellished to incorporate an intriguing plot of its own, fascinating characters and choice-laden conversations ... similar to "Nature of the Beast" in Origins, but with more exploration, more combat, more zombies ... and fewer werewolves. lol (quote end)

 

 

 

you are right .. a game could be always better as its is.even skyrim can be better with mods as without them.

about dao.. i remember much criticsm about this game as well like (as example) ..the non exits huge world gameplay and a desire of it.

i remember much critiscm about da2 too... and that it could be greatly expanded too.no game is perfect for everyone.

 

many of what i read here is only  a god worship of skyrim and do ..and a god worship of the developer team from dao...

but these games had also faults even then if you close your eyes and say 'no' all time.

 

rpg s could be in general ever greatly expanded..no matter how much content they already  have .

[Stinkface27]

Thanks, OP. You put into words my feelings about the game exactly. It's beautiful, the main story is great, the characters are great - but it's just too diluted with meaningless filler. This isn't the game I want to fill that purpose.

[Mushashi7]

Pillars of Eternity is out soon.

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Yes, I can play this.

It looks a lot like Dungeon Siege. A lot more startegy based, and not 1st person. It'll do until Witcher 3 comes out.

But what I really need is a game like Skyrim, but with more story and background. Maybe some day?

[Regan_Cousland]

Regan_Cousland (quote)

For example: the quest to rescue Inquisition soldiers in the Fallow Mire could have been greatly expanded and embellished to incorporate an intriguing plot of its own, fascinating characters and choice-laden conversations ... similar to "Nature of the Beast" in Origins, but with more exploration, more combat, more zombies ... and fewer werewolves. lol (quote end)

 

you are right .. a game could be always better as its is.even skyrim can be better with mods as without them.

about dao.. i remember much criticsm about this game as well like (as example) ..the [non-existent] huge world gameplay and a desire [for] it.

i remember much critiscm about da2 too... and that it could be greatly expanded too.no game is perfect for everyone.

 

 

And that's why DA:I frustrates me, Durengo ... because it made big improvements in certain areas. It gave us beautiful, atmospheric open worlds (like the Fallow Mire from my example), and then for some strange reason BioWare decided to counterbalance this goodness by sabotaging their own game -- by getting rid of deep and interesting quests like "Nature of the Beast". 

If there'd been one quest of that quality in each of DA:I's environments, the game would have been great. I could have avoided (or even enjoyed) many of the filler quests.

 

My problem is that, discounting story missions, most of the game feels like filler because of the lacklustre way in which quests are presented.

[Elhanan]

And that's why DA:I frustrates me, Durengo ... because it made big improvements in certain areas. It gave us beautiful, atmospheric open worlds (like the Fallow Mire from my example), and then for some strange reason BioWare decided to counterbalance this goodness by sabotaging their own game -- by getting rid of deep and interesting quests like "Nature of the Beast". 

If there'd been one quest of that quality in each of DA:I's environments, the game would have been great. I could have avoided (or even enjoyed) many of the filler quests.
 
My problem is that, as things stand, most of the game feels like filler because of the lacklustre way in which quests are presented.

Personally, I enjoyed saving the captured troops while solving the mysteries of the swamp. And while I liked the tale of NotB (and the VO from various Star Trek personnel), I do not miss all that backtracking thru the areas. The Brecellian Forest is my least fave area of DAO, I believe.

[Regan_Cousland]

Personally, I enjoyed saving the captured troops while solving the mysteries of the swamp ...

 

Of course you did, Elhanan. Of course you did ... lol
 

 

And while I liked the tale of NotB (and the VO from various Star Trek personnel) ...

 

I recognized that Zathrian was voiced by the Vulcan ambassador from Star Trek: Enterprise! And his apprentice was Ashley Williams from Mass Effect.

Not sure I recognized any other voices, though.

 

 

I do not miss all that backtracking thru the areas. The Brecellian Forest is my least fave area of DAO, I believe.

 

And that's why Inquisition missed a great opportunity. It could have delivered better quests than the ones in Origins. The areas were huge and there'd have been no need for extensive backtracking. All the good stuff, and none of the bad. 

[Elhanan]

Of course you did, Elhanan. Of course you did ... lol 
 
I recognized that Zathrian was voiced by the Vulcan ambassador from Star Trek: Enterprise! And his apprentice was Ashley Williams from Mass Effect.

Not sure I recognized any other voices, though. 
 
And that's why Inquisition missed a great opportunity. It could have delivered better quests than the ones in Origins. The areas were huge and there'd have been no need for extensive backtracking. All the good stuff, and none of the bad.

Flemeth is Jayne Hathaway, and Zathrien played her Science Officer, I believe. Then Neelix was the Lyrium addled merchant in Orzammar. There may be others; uncertain.

I concede the point that the goal should be the best presentation possible. However, I disagree that adding more cut-scenes is better. But again, things linked to the MQ and in this case the rescue should have more of a priority than side-quests, but not necessarily cut0scenes.

[Rawgrim]

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Yes, I can play this.

It looks a lot like Dungeon Siege. A lot more startegy based, and not 1st person. It'll do until Witcher 3 comes out.

But what I really need is a game like Skyrim, but with more story and background. Maybe some day?

 

Pillars will be more like DA:O and BG2. Nothing like Dungeon Siege. Strategic combat, options to avoid combats, heavy focus on roleplaying.

[Dinkledorf]

Some CE Tables are bound to be broken since they work on physical run-time memory addresses of variables.  A recompile of the DAI executable can (and in a lot of cases will) change that.  The respective modders are likely already at work finding those pesky memory locations again and updates will start to flow in.  Mods breaking as a result of patches is common.