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[Cobwebmaster]

Wait you get treasure from killing the dragons? I didn't get anything..... but it was glitch for me. Have to try again.
I liked in Skyrim when the dragons circled the villages and the guards ran around trying to kill them to protect the people. That was a nice touch.

Yeah depending on which one you waste high (level 3 I got) Armour, Weapons, top notch crafting materials, gold - a good mix all wrapped up nicely in a skull. Also some extra scales and dragon blood from the dragonlings that spawn in during the fight 

[SwobyJ]

DAI isn't built the best for Dwarf or Qunari.

 

But there's still story for it. And even though we haven't seen it often, Dwarves CAN have a less dwarfy personality (hi Varric) and Qunari/Kossith CAN have Tal-Vashoth that have children that are very UN Qunari-like.

 

Qunari is the biggest stretch, of course, but you can take it as just an elaboration of Thedas. When I make my Qunari alt, I'll understand him/her as a sort of directionless orphan in the world, discovering what might be his true purpose.

[Jeffry]

what for facts? did we got a proof from you ? or from rawgrimm? who presented us what?

 

don't call everything what you say a fact only because you say it.

 

quantity alone is none better than quality?  right!

 

talk about that with rawgrimm .. he is the one who talk all time about that dai has only main gameplay time 20 hours (it isnt true)  and that would be only 10 percent from ......and so on .. and so on.

 

and you talk now about that dao s main story playtime is higher then the one from dai....even if that would be true .. where is the proof?  and we shouldnt forget your own words :quantity alone is none better than quality

 

you wanna have facts ????

 

read:

 

http://www.forbes.co...tal-completion/

 

and dont try to tell me thats a lie because you say so.thats already a mistake from rawgrimm.you mean i should accept your word as fact? but you guys didn't accept this link as fact ? no way!

 

Ok, first off, that forbes PR article was made one month before the game was even released. Just because someone from BW told them how long the game will take does not mean anything. BW/EA lied before releasing DAI in many ways and that is a fact (for example how the game was "made by PC players for PC players" and that the "tac cam would be te same as in DAO". You can't trust nowadays any PR BS, the year 2014 was a good example why.

 

I am calling a fact what is in fact a fact You can take your stopwatch, play the games and you can see how long it will take you to complete the main story missions. And I can tell you now DAI won't come out great from that experiment.

 

And yes, quantity alone is not better than quality. But as it happens, there is more story in DAO and it is a better story as well. Granted, it is not really original, it borrows a lot from other fantasy works and from our history, but it is more engaging, with better protagonist and antagonist and with more meaningful and gritty choices along the way. You can like the DAI story or the game as much as you want, but there are things you can't disprove.

[Rawgrim]

Ok, first off, that forbes PR article was made one month before the game was even released. Just because someone from BW told them how long the game will take does not mean anything. BW/EA lied before releasing DAI in many ways and that is a fact (for example how the game was "made by PC players for PC players" and that the "tac cam would be te same as in DAO". You can't trust nowadays any PR BS, the year 2014 was a good example why.

 

I am calling a fact what is in fact a fact You can take your stopwatch, play the games and you can see how long it will take you to complete the main story missions. And I can tell you now DAI won't come out great from that experiment.

 

And yes, quantity alone is not better than quality. But as it happens, there is more story in DAO and it is a better story as well. Granted, it is not really original, it borrows a lot from other fantasy works and from our history, but it is more engaging, with better protagonist and antagonist and with more meaningful and gritty choices along the way. You can like the DAI story or the game as much as you want, but there are things you can't disprove.

 

Best ignore him. He is sending me PM's now. About how his posts are being read by everyone and that they are making him well known.

 

I tried to warn him about it when I spotted someone posting screenshots of one of his rants in an rpg group. It wasn't a praising thing, to put it that way.

[Archerwarden]

Yeah depending on which one you waste high (level 3 I got) Armour, Weapons, top notch crafting materials, gold - a good mix all wrapped up nicely in a skull. Also some extra scales and dragon blood from the dragonlings that spawn in during the fight

Ackk I got none of that!!! My archer boy better come through this time! I want gold, armour well all of it in the skull!

[durengo]

Ok, first off, that forbes PR article was made one month before the game was even released. Just because someone from BW told them how long the game will take does not mean anything

 

I am calling a fact what is in fact a fact You can take your stopwatch, play the games and you can see how long it will take you to complete the main story missions. And I can tell you now DAI won't come out great from that experiment.

 

 

*yawn* the problem is (not my problem) that i must prove nothing....you wanna have another link from a younger article about the main story gameplay time from dai? i guesse you would try to tell me again that it would be meaningless because you say so. about your little experiment with the stopwatch... again i need a proof from you about what you say and not a proof from me.

 

keep on to call your words as fact...that doesn't matter me.

[Jeffry]

Glad you liked it, Elhanan. For me it was almost unplayable. I found the movement stiff, targeting awkward, companion AI useless, tactics and behaviours broken, and TacCam infuriating. It made the whole game an utterly miserable experience, and that's why I have no intention of playing it again. If I had my choice, I would take DA2 combat system with DAO's TacCam implementation and it would be perfect.

 

That would be perfect, for me the DA2 combat was the best out of the 3. It was in fact how I envisioned DAI might turn out to be. I believe it was Mike Laidlaw who said they want to take the best of both Dragon Age games and combine it for DAI. Then I heard how much they liked Skyrim and how they want to incorporate something from it into DAI. So now I was looking at a mix of BW's storytelling, interesting well paced party based combat and Skyrim's open world... Boy how was I wrong

[Archerwarden]

DAI isn't built the best for Dwarf or Qunari.
 
But there's still story for it. And even though we haven't seen it often, Dwarves CAN have a less dwarfy personality (hi Varric) and Qunari/Kossith CAN have Tal-Vashoth that have children that are very UN Qunari-like.
 
Qunari is the biggest stretch, of course, but you can take it as just an elaboration of Thedas. When I make my Qunari alt, I'll understand him/her as a sort of directionless orphan in the world, discovering what might be his true purpose.

Yeah, didn't see too many dwarves except carta I think they were? Can you guys post if anyone treats you different? Didn't see any with my elf but maybe I missed it. Just wondering.

[Archerwarden]

That would be perfect, for me the DA2 combat was the best out of the 3. It was in fact how I envisioned DAI might turn out to be. I believe it was Mike Laidlaw who said they want to take the best of both Dragon Age games and combine it for DAI. Then I heard how much they liked Skyrim and how they want to incorporate something from it into DAI. So now I was looking at a mix of BW's storytelling, interesting well paced party based combat and Skyrim's open world... Boy how was I wrong

yep same here. can't get the bold to work properly but agree: " So now I was looking at a mix of BW's storytelling, interesting well pace party based combat and Skyrim's open world...Boy how was I wrong.."

[Jeffry]

*yawn* the problem is (not my problem) that i must prove nothing....you wanna have another link from a younger article about the main story gameplay time from dai? i guesse you would try to tell me again that it would be meaningless because you say so. about your little experiment with the stopwatch... again i need a proof from you about what you say and not a proof from me.

 

keep on to call your words as fact...that doesn't matter me.

 

I gave you rough numbers, since I forgot to use stopwatches during DAI, because who could have thought the main story in a BW game would be so short. And in no way in hell I am suffering through it again. So either take my rough numbers or play through the game yourself again.

 

You can post the article, by all means. Unless it is an IGN / Gamespot / Kotaku etc. article, those can't be trusted because they take money from publishers. Not directly, they couldn't do that, but you know what the publishers can do? Buy ad space. And the big publishers advertise like crazy.

[durengo]

You can post the article, by all means. Unless it is an IGN / Gamespot / Kotaku etc. article, those can't be trusted because they take money from publishers. Not directly, they couldn't do that, but you know what the publishers can do? Buy ad space. And the big publishers advertise like crazy.

*chuckles*  sorry but that sounds already like a paranoia... i can post all article unless this .. and this .. and that ...and the other that.? it doesn't matter anyways you would say that bioware lies and that the article is  wrong only because you say so.

 

if bioware tell us only lies  then we all can't buy the next da 4 .. and in general we can throw the pc out of the window.

you both should already realize that every destructive word you write here didn't help. its only because of to make all sad ...and to make that all are hopeless for the future.if i read what you write then we all could take a cord and play the last game .. hangman.

 

all i can say is .. wake up... this is the world we living in ....we have to deal with it...

[KilrB]

what for facts? did we got a proof from you ? or from rawgrimm? who presented us what?

 

don't call everything what you say a fact only because you say it.

 

quantity alone is none better than quality?  right!

 

talk about that with rawgrimm .. he is the one who talk all time about that dai has only main gameplay time 20 hours (it isnt true)  and that would be only 10 percent from ......and so on .. and so on.

 

and you talk now about that dao s main story playtime is higher then the one from dai....even if that would be true .. where is the proof?  and we shouldnt forget your own words :quantity alone is none better than quality

 

you wanna have facts ????

 

read:

 

http://www.forbes.co...tal-completion/

 

and dont try to tell me thats a lie because you say so.thats already a mistake from rawgrimm.you mean i should accept your word as fact? but you guys didn't accept this link as fact ? no way!

 

I'll take yer money.

 

IT'S ... A ... LIE ... !!!

 

In your desperation you totally missed the FACT that this marketing blurb was from October of last year ...

 

 ... BEFORE THE GAME WAS RELEASED ...

 

 ... and like all the promises they made pre-release ...

 

IT'S ... A ... LIE ... !!!

[Elhanan]

Yeah, didn't see too many dwarves except carta I think they were? Can you guys post if anyone treats you different? Didn't see any with my elf but maybe I missed it. Just wondering.

My Dwarven Inq saw many racial references in the game; was impressed.

[durengo]

I'll take yer money.

 

IT'S ... A ... LIE ... !!!

 

In your desperation you totally missed the FACT that this marketing blurb was from October of last year ...

 

 ... BEFORE THE GAME WAS RELEASED ...

 

 ... and like all the promises they made pre-release ...

 

IT'S ... A ... LIE ... !!!

and you miss the fact that a proof and if its a bad one is better as no proof and till now i didn't got a proof from the genius ones they know all better.i have to prove nothing.its a lie? maybe you have a proof for me? no? alright.

 

and i quote myself again:

 

if bioware tell us only lies  then we all can't buy the next da 4 .. and in general we can throw the pc out of the window.

you both should already realize that every destructive word you write here didn't help. its only because of to make all sad ...and to make that all are hopeless for the future.if i read what you write then we all could take a cord and play the last game .. hangman.

 

anyways that isn't constructive (productive) critiscm anymore.. its full of hate ...to frustration Drain

[Jeffry]

*chuckles*  sorry but that sounds already like a paranoia... i can post all article unless this .. and this .. and that ...and the other that.? it doesn't matter anyways you would say that bioware lies and that the article is  wrong only because you say so.

 

if bioware tell us only lies  then we all can't buy the next da 4 .. and in general we can throw the pc out of the window.

you both should already realize that every destructive word you write here didn't help. its only because of to make all sad ...and to make that all are hopeless for the future.

 

It is not paranoia, the reviews and promos are really paid this way. You can check it yourself, when a new big game is approaching its release, check its score once the review comes out and check the ads on that site. But once again you can't be bothered to check anything, because it could mean you are wrong And by all means, post your articles, let us see them, so we can debunk them.

 

Not everything BW says are lies, but before DAI there were many of them it is almost impossible to trust them now about anything they say or promise. You not seeing those lies doesn't mean they weren't there (ask for example any non-ignorant PC or Xbox360/PS3 player who followed the game closely). But back then we had no idea they were lies, BW untill this point have been somewhat trustworthy studio. Sure, they lied about ME3's ending, but they at least apologized for it by releasing Extended Cut for free.

 

Well, it is not my goal for everybody to feel hopeless, I am glad some people can still look forward to the next DA4 and can enjoy DAI in the meantime. But the reality is, that the future of gaming journalism and AAA video game industry is hopeless as of now. The whole system is pretty much rotten to its core and will only get better if it implodes. Not saying there aren't some devs or publisher who actually treat their customers in a good way, but you could count them with one hand.

 

I believe I can speak for some people when I say we don't want for BW to stop making DA games. We want them to make good DA games that are worth buying and playing. But what we should all do, is stop pre-ordering BW games (or for that matter all EA games or any game from a major publisher) to let them know we are not to be screwed over.

 

We are here because, believe it or not, we care. We care about this franchise. We are just frustrated with the way we are treated. We are pointing the game's flaws and shortcomings to show BW why we see them as shortcomings and we often provide feedback how they could be improved or done differently or what features from previous games should return and why their presence would make the game better. And so on.

[durengo]

 

 

I can't speak for others, but I don't want for BW to stop making DA games. I want them to make good DA games that are worth buying and playing. But what we should all do, is stop pre-ordering BW games (or for that matter all EA games or any game from a major publisher) to let them know we are not to be screwed over.

honestly if i would be bw.. and i would read more statements like the ones from rawgrimm or from you too.. then i would say 'make your own games if you think you can make it better' i quit and take the money and live the rest of my life on a tropical island.

 

i don't say that critiscm is bad in general ....its just a matter of the words....destructiv critiscm is not the right way to change anything.

 

and if rawgrimm start to laugh about me or about what i write ... and if he post my topics in another forum only to make me laughable..

...then change that nothing.... it shows only his from hate poisoned soul..

[Archerwarden]

My Dwarven Inq saw many racial references in the game; was impressed.

Oh thank you that is good to know. That's the information I was looking for.

[KilrB]

and you miss the fact that a proof and if its a bad one is better as no proof and till now i didn't got a proof from the genius ones they know all better.i have to prove nothing.its a lie? maybe you have a proof for me? no? alright.

 

and i quote myself again:

 

if bioware tell us only lies  then we all can't buy the next da 4 .. and in general we can throw the pc out of the window.

you both should already realize that every destructive word you write here didn't help. its only because of to make all sad ...and to make that all are hopeless for the future.if i read what you write then we all could take a cord and play the last game .. hangman.

 

anyways that isn't constructive critiscm anymore.. its full of hate ...to frustration Drain

 

And you are totally avoiding the FACT that you are trying to pawn the promises of proven liars off as your own "factual" "proof".

 

You demand proof and facts from others and offer none in return.

 

***Mod Edit***

 

No amount of reasoning, argument, fact, proof will ever persuade you to reassess your position or admit to doing so.

 

If we told you the sky is blue or fire is hot, you would argue the opposite.

 

***Mod Edit***

[KilrB]

honestly if i would be bw.. and i would read more statements like the ones from rawgrimm or from you too.. then i would say 'make your own games if you think you can make it better' i quit and take the money and live the rest of my life on a tropic island.

 

i don't say that critiscm is bad in general ....its just a matter of the words....destructiv critiscm is not the right way to change anything.

 

and if rawgrimm start to laugh about me or about what i write ... and if he post my topics in another forum only to make me laughable..

then change that nothing.... it shows only his from hate poison mind

 

Funny you should say that.

 

BioWare, the part of it that had integrity, and made good rpg's, did take their money and leave when they saw what trash they would be forced to produce for EA.

[Jeffry]

Oh thank you that is good to know. That's the information I was looking for.

 

Not saying Elhanan is wrong about this, but you should take into consideration that he is impressed by pretty much every aspect of DAI, even the ones many people think are really bad No hard feelings Elhanan, just joking around a bit.

[durengo]

Funny you should say that.

 

BioWare, the part of it that had integrity, and made good rpg's, did take their money and leave when they saw what trash they would be forced to produce for EA.

and you think you can change that with your behave? good luck boy.

 

then go and play a game from the part of bioware who had integrity ....why the bothering with this forum then?

no one forced you to buy or play dai.....no one force you to stay into this forum ....so you are only here to tell all how hopeless all is?

[Elhanan]

Not saying Elhanan is wrong about this, but you should take into consideration that he is impressed by pretty much every aspect of DAI, even the ones many people think are really bad No hard feelings Elhanan, just joking around a bit.

None taken. I adore Dwarves, and have played them as a favored race for many years; both PnP and CRPG's. As I tend to go against the norms, my Dwarves are often Archers, do not drink, and love both puns and profit.

DAI allowed me to play my Dwarven Inq as one cast outside his Clan, and given the opportunity to redeem the name. Also was able to deny being divine, be open minded towards other possibilities, and generally RP as I liked.

But for confirmation, try one of the Dwarf Support threads in another sub-forum for other opinions besides my own.

[Jeffry]

honestly if i would be bw.. and i would read more statements like the ones from rawgrimm or from you too.. then i would say 'make your own games if you think you can make it better' i quit and take the money and live the rest of my life on a tropical island.

 

i don't say that critiscm is bad in general ....its just a matter of the words....destructiv critiscm is not the right way to change anything.

 

Well excuse us for letting BW/EA know in a harsher tone we are not here to be lied to and screwed over just so they can squeeze us for more money.

 

If someone from BW would say that, it would be a pretty lame thing to say. They know they will face criticism along the way. They know they will face harsh criticism, especially if they screw something up. And they are not stupid, they know about the screw ups. Unfortunately BW are the first to be blamed, which is not exactly fair, because EA should be the ones to take the majority of the blame. But is there some "EA feedback regarding BW games" forum? Don't know of any.

 

Well, first there is constructive criticism, but when people feel they are not heard at all, you can't blame them for being more grim and hopeless.

[Zobert]

I had high hopes for the game so I'm disappointed.  For the DA2 haters....Kirkwall's story was very interesting.  You were invested in Kirkwall and your little group, terrorist in waiting and all.  Dragon Age Origins had a GREAT story and a cozy little Scooby Gang you took with you everywhere--including Scooby.  Gaider at his uncynical best.  I felt like Joss Wheden wrote it, I mean, it was that frickin' good.

 

I think the fan love for the series clouds the judgment, my opinion now, so don't hit me like I'm generalizing about everyone.  Just I see a lot of excuses flying on here for why it's awesome when...even our villain

Spoiler

recycled old Corphyeus

.  Seriously? 

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Corphyeus sucks as a villain.  Why can't we get an entirely new villain? Kirkwall may have recycled sets, but I'd rather have that than a recycled villain--and not even a good recycled villain

 

We have elements of greatness.  Dorian rocks.  Josephine is very cute, but take away the accent and she's less cute.  Varric is like one of the best characters in the entire series and we don't get that much dialogue with him which blows.  The Iron Bull is cool but he shouldn't be Qunari.  He is like the antithesis of everything we have ever known of the Qun.  It's just like they're big warriors, not the near Soviet Baddies they once were.  The rules of the Qun changed--sorry, got "clarified"

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I mean they changed, seriously changed

  Cassandra's okay, I guess, but nothing to write home about.  Vivienne is cool but again, I'm not going out of my way to visit her once the Inquisition is over.  Leliana has changed into someone I want to literally pimp slap most of the game and tell "snap out of it you crazy *itch".  Cullen is cool, where's the goatee?  He looks COMPLETELY different and his personality is less conflicted.  He might as well not be Cullen and just another former Templar.  Sera's actually pretty neato but since I don't have in-game dialogue really with anyone much less her and she's like upstairs and in that Cubby I don't chat that often.  Blackwall is another hike to talk to at Skyhold so unless I'm romancing him I don't talk to him.  Solas ticked me off with the comment on the Dalish and after that I was like: Done.

 

So really I don't like my companions as much as the other two except Dorian and Sera and Bull if I forget his a Qunari.

 

In DA:O I liked everyone in the circle.  Alastair was funny as hell.  Zevran was basically Puss in Boots so I was in love.  Leliana and the shoe stories was cute.  Oghren was funny.  Morrigen was my everything.  Shale--OMG--Shale.  Even Wynne was funny when she flirted with Alastair or when Zev flirted with her.

 

I'd go into the banter of DA2 between Avangeline and Isabella or Varric and everyone but I really want to say and why this game is nowhere near as cool as the other two, and I can sum it up in one word what it's missing:

 

 

ENCHANTMENT!

[KilrB]

and you think you can change that with your behave? good luck boy.

 

then go and play a game from the part of bioware who had integrity ....why the bothering with this forum then?

no one forced you to buy or play dai.....no one force you to stay into this forum ....so you are only here to tell all how hopeless all is?

 

I'm here because this is more fun than playing DA:I ... what's your excuse?