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[durengo]

Well excuse us for letting BW/EA know in a harsher tone we are not here to be lied to and screwed over just so they can squeeze us for more money.

 

sorry if i destroy your illusions but iam not sure about that bw/ea read here what you write... could be that they skip the most because of the tone. and by they way you guys didn't let bw/ea anything know...90 percent of what i read is only insults and accusations...many of them not against bioware but against all persons they think otherwise.

 

 

 

I'm here because this is more fun than playing DA:I ... what's your excuse?

 

ahh i see .. yes its always fun to be the troll. no excuses because of me ....

you are disqualified for further discussions....bye.

[Jeffry]

None taken. I adore Dwarves, and have played them as a favored race for many years; both PnP and CRPG's. As I tend to go against the norms, my Dwarves are often Archers, do not drink, and love both puns and profit.

DAI allowed me to play my Dwarven Inq as one cast outside his Clan, and given the opportunity to redeem the name. Also was able to deny being divine, be open minded towards other possibilities, and generally RP as I liked.

But for confirmation, try one of the Dwarf Support threads in another sub-forum for other opinions besides my own.

 

I'll keep that in mind, but probably for a possible future DAO playthrough, I like the various origins, have not played them all, only read about them on wiki. All of them sounded interesting, but somehow I never got to play them. The problem is, I am kinda an RPG racist, I now only play as straight white human dudes. My last non-human character was in WoW. My last dwarf was in my first BG2 playthrough, because I loved being one in pen and paper D&D, I liked their infravision among other things and because I liked dwarves in other fantasy works (Gimli is still my favourite member of the Fellowship)

[Elhanan]

I'll keep that in mind, but probably for a possible future DAO playthrough, I like the various origins, have not played them all, only read about them on wiki. All of them sounded interesting, but somehow I never got to play them. The problem is, I am kinda an RPG racist, I now only play as straight white human dudes. My last non-human character was in WoW. My last dwarf was in my first BG2 playthrough, because I loved being one in pen and paper D&D, I liked their infravision among other things and because I liked dwarves in other fantasy works (Gimli is still my favourite member of the Fellowship)

The Dwarven Noble origin of DAO is a fave; the Commoner is also enjoyable, but had less impact personally.

A highlight of my NWN1 days is founding Clan McJagger; archers and merchants that when in battle, appear to be much like rolling stones!

[Dinkledorf]

LOL all this posting about proof reminds me of Chretien's (ex Canadian Prime Minister for those not of the great white north) famous answer when asked what would be considered proper proof about Iraq's alleged Weapons of Mass Destruction:

 

"A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven"

 

LOLs

[xkg]

yes its always fun to be the troll.

 

At least you aware of who you are. There is still hope for you.

[Jeffry]

sorry if i destroy your illusions but iam not sure about that bw/ea read here what you write... could be that they skip the most because of the tone. and by they way you guys didn't let bw/ea anything known...90 percent of what i read is only insults and accusations...many of them not against bioware but against all persons they think otherwise.

 

Oh don't worry, I know they don't read it here (except for moderators to enforce the forum's rules) or don't care or at least don't bother answering. They are more active on social networks, but there is no way I could squeeze a useful constructive criticism post into 140 characters. And also this is after all their official forum for their games, it is in their interest to know what people are truly thinking.

 

Don't mistake attacks on another poster's posts for attack on the poster. And at least in the topics I follow the critics of the game usually attack other people's posts, not the people themselves. Attacking ones arguments in a fair way (without fallacies) is one of the correct ways to lead an argumentation.

[KilrB]

sorry if i destroy your illusions but iam not sure about that bw/ea read here what you write... could be that they skip the most because of the tone. and by they way you guys didn't let bw/ea anything know...90 percent of what i read is only insults and accusations...many of them not against bioware but against all persons they think otherwise.

 

 

 

 

ahh i see .. yes its always fun to be the troll. no excuses because of me ....

you are disqualified for further discussions....bye.

 

What discussion?

 

There was no discussion, only your self-righteous declarations of infallibility.

 

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[Jeffry]

Zevran was basically Puss in Boots so I was in love.

 

That comparison is probably the best I have ever heard in regard to any BW char

 

And well, I agree and disagree with you. For me the DAI's cast of companions is one of BW's best. Unfortunately companions alone can't save the game for me when it lacks in so many key aspects. But as much as I was overall dissatisfied with the game, I liked the characters and some of their side quests (not the fetch ones, but the ones with some story, like Demands of the Qun).

 

And totally agree with your opinion about DA2's story. It was refreshing for an AAA RPG to have a story where you were not sent from the get-go to save the world. Just to take care of yourself, your family and your friends and by accident you came by the events that will change the world. Also Varric's storytelling was great.

[Nefla]

I am calling a fact what is in fact a fact You can take your stopwatch, play the games and you can see how long it will take you to complete the main story missions. And I can tell you now DAI won't come out great from that experiment.

 

I thought of doing that but I couldn't bring myself to actually play the game again

[Regan_Cousland]

Dwarven master race, FTW. I actually agree with Elhanan on something. Whhhaaaa--!  (We must be in the Fade.)   

The dwarven noble origin in DA:O is also my personal favourite. A betrayed and exiled prince(ess) -- classic. And my first inquisitor is a dual-wielding dwarven rogue.

I'd actually like to play a full game, or expansion, set in Orzammar or Kal-Sharok, and its surrounding thaigs. Not going to happen, I know.

 

Guess I'll have to be content playing dwarves who're forced, by the vicissitudes of fate, to live amongst smelly human doglords and Orlesian drama queens. 

[Jeffry]

I thought of doing that but I couldn't bring myself to actually play the game again

 

Yeah, me neither and I'll probably never get to playing it again unless BW adds some massive improvements to at least controls, UI and the combat system (the filler content would still suck, but at least I could enjoy the combat then). And since we are dealing with EA here, I don't even hope for such improvements There are so many great games I could play instead that it would be silly to play DAI again when I have not particularly enjoyed it.

[xkg]

Both games are similar when it comes to main quest's time-needed-to-finish.

 

More than hundred sampled playthroughs should be enough to find the average time.

You can find it on howlongtobeat.com

41 hours for Origins http://howlongtobeat...ame.php?id=2760

42 hours for Inquisition http://howlongtobeat...me.php?id=11627

[Nefla]

Both games are similar when it comes to main quest's time-needed-to-finish.

 

More than hundred sampled playthroughs should be enough to find the average time.

You can find it on howlongtobet.com

41 hours for Origins http://howlongtobeat...ame.php?id=2760

42 hours for Inquisition http://howlongtobeat...me.php?id=11627

How do they figure out those playtimes? Also does the time grinding for the power required to move on to the next main story quest count towards that? I can't see spending 40 hours on just the main quest no matter how much I leisurely farted around while doing so.

[xkg]

Players are playing and then parse their results into an appropriate category.

If someone finished the game with the minimal amount of side stuff needed to finish the game on normal pacing (not rushed nor slowed)  - that falss under "main Story - Average" category.

 

In short "Main Story - Average" - the time you need to go through the story to finish the game doing only the necessary side stuff and ignoring everything else. Stuff that is required to finish the game.

[Jeffry]

Both games are similar when it comes to main quest's time-needed-to-finish.

 

More than hundred sampled playthroughs should be enough to find the average time.

You can find it on howlongtobeat.com

41 hours for Origins http://howlongtobeat...ame.php?id=2760

42 hours for Inquisition http://howlongtobeat...me.php?id=11627

 

Hmm, not questioning the numbers, but how were they calculated for DAI? Main quests, dialogues in them and cutscenes only? Or it is main quests + the minimal amount of grind required to progress further? Because like Nefla I can't picture the main quests alone took 40 hours. Even when I am replaying them in my mind I can't get anywhere near to 30 hours.

 

On the other hand you could finish DAO by only doing the main quests and nothing else, so I believe it could take only 40 hours on normal difficulty.

 

If DAI was really calculated with the grind in mind, then that is an unfair comparison and holds zero meaning to what we were discussing here (main story length), since the grind was nothing but a filler to artificialy prolong the gameplay.

[xkg]

^Explained that. Above your post.

It is time needed to finish the game just doing the main quests. If there are some side quest that are required to be done for you to even be able to finish the game then obviously they have to be done and are counted into the game time. There is no way to filter them out, really.

[KilrB]

Dwarven master race, FTW. I actually agree with Elhanan on something. Whhhaaaa--!  (We must be in the Fade.)   

The dwarven noble origin in DA:O is also my personal favourite. A betrayed and exiled prince(ess) -- classic. And my first inquisitor is a dual-wielding dwarven rogue.

I'd actually like to play a full game, or expansion, set in Orzammar or Kal-Sharok, and its surrounding thaigs. Not going to happen, I know.

 

Guess I'll have to be content playing dwarves who're forced, by the vicissitudes of fate, to live amongst smelly human doglords and Orlesian drama queens. 

 

So I'm NOT the only one who liked exploring The Deep Roads and discovering abandoned thaigs?

 

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[Zobert]

That comparison is probably the best I have ever heard in regard to any BW char

 

And well, I agree and disagree with you. For me the DAI's cast of companions is one of BW's best. Unfortunately companions alone can't save the game for me when it lacks in so many key aspects. But as much as I was overall dissatisfied with the game, I liked the characters and some of their side quests (not the fetch ones, but the ones with some story, like Demands of the Qun).

 

And totally agree with your opinion about DA2's story. It was refreshing for an AAA RPG to have a story where you were not sent from the get-go to save the world. Just to take care of yourself, your family and your friends and by accident you came by the events that will change the world. Also Varric's storytelling was great.

 

Really (on the companions)?  Dorian was amazing, Sera was "fun", but I can't get out of bed for the rest aside from Varric whom they neglect to give us ample time with.  Also, you can tell you'll never be besties with him like he was with Hawke so that's a bummer.

 

Who did you like from the companions in DAI?

 

Also--GROOT is my avatar at another site.  LOVE GROOT.

[Regan_Cousland]

So I'm NOT the only one who liked The Deep Roads and discovering abandoned thaigs?

 

Nope. You're not alone. The Deep Roads are a liiiittle bit longer than they needed to be, and there's that one infuriating boss battle where you have to destroy that spinning machine which keeps throwing out ghosts, but, on the whole, I think they're great. 

You feel a growing sense of dread and isolation as you travel deeper and deeper underground. Something I didn't feel in Inquisition (even in the Fade). I felt a hint of it when I explored caves, but they weren't big enough to evoke the same kind of suspense or the fear of the unknown.

I'd love to see how Orzammar looks in the new graphics -- and then I'd like to do some actual roleplaying there.

Inquisition's current gameplay designers would probably just make us kill nugs and claim lost thaigs forever and ever. Then, as a reward, the king would say, "Excellent!" and we'd get +2 Power points. lol

[Jeffry]

^Explained that. Above your post.

It is time needed to finish the game just doing the main quests. If there are some side quest that are required to be done for you to even be able to finish the game then obviously they have to be done and are counted into the game time. There is no way to filter them out, really.

 

Well you have to acquire the power somehow, be it by closing rifts, grinding gold and buying it or doing side quests. But since there is no way to filter them out, the numbers alone don't tell us that much. (And sometimes they are off, I can see no way a leisure completionist run of DAO can take more than in DAI, I have done both, thoroughly and very leisurely)

 

The problem is the process of acquiring power is a grind and a lazy way to stretch the main story and therefore the numbers alone you provided (although interesting and I am grateful you posted them) are not really relevant to what exactly was discussed here (main story alone without filler).

 

 

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Crap, for the first time ever I am out of likes, hopefully I'll remember to like your post tomorrow.

 

Seeing Orzammar again would be indeed great, but for me Kal-Sharok would be even better. Ever since I have heard about their fate in DAO I wanted to visit that thaig.

[Zobert]

The Deep Roads were a wee bit long.  Just a wee bit.  I still love that whole quest.  The Mages Tower/Fade thing was wayyyy more long and frustrating than it needed to be.

[xkg]

 

Or it is main quests + the minimal amount of grind required to progress further

 

Yes, that's how it is. As you noticed there are some things needed to be done to progress the game further

 

 

On the other hand you could finish DAO by only doing the main quests and nothing else, so I believe it could take only 40 hours on normal difficulty.

 

Oh and I agree on that. Both game's main quests are similar in length, but in DA:I you waste much more of it for things like traveling from one point to another (because of larger world) or on a grinding.

 

So if they both are equal in length there is only one logical conclusion. There is more meneingful content in DAO main quest than in DA:I.

 

I base it on my logical logical conclusion to given facts. 

(just my theory - it is open for pointing flaws in it of course)

 

[MC] - Meaningful content

==== - Travel Time.

[GG] - Grinding

 

DAO Start:  [MC]====[MC]====[MC]====[MC]====[MC]====[MC]  : 41 hours

DAI   Start:  [MC]======[GG]======[MC]======[MC]======[GG] : 42 hours

 

Now you can count During both main quests, which game had more content to it.

 

 

For me vandering miles from one point to another to get another quest ... not to my liking.

Grinding mobs Is just no-no ( as in - no JRPGS for me). My fav game of all the time VTMB has like zero mobs grinding - there is no point in doing that cause you simply not getting any XP for killing them. All of the XPs comes from finishing the quest. Great game design.

[AlanC9]

 
If DAI was really calculated with the grind in mind, then that is an unfair comparison and holds zero meaning to what we were discussing here (main story length), since the grind was nothing but a filler to artificialy prolong the gameplay.

DAO had plenty of filler integrated into its main quests too, though. All those undead in the Brecilian Forest ruin, for instance.

[Regan_Cousland]

The Deep Roads were a wee bit long.  Just a wee bit.  I still love that whole quest.  The Mages Tower/Fade thing was wayyyy more long and frustrating than it needed to be.

 

Agreed. I was going to say that. The Fade quest is fascinating the first couple of times you play it, but after that it's bloomin' annoying.

And I play on consoles, so I can't download that mod that lets you skip it. Grrr.

 

P.S. The Fade quest is like the open-world questing in Inquisition, actually. There's no sensible reason to do anything there, and you won't be speaking to your companions for a long, loooong time. lol

[Jeffry]

Really (on the companions)?  Dorian was amazing, Sera was "fun", but I can't get out of bed for the rest aside from Varric whom they neglect to give us ample time with.  Also, you can tell you'll never be besties with him like he was with Hawke so that's a bummer.

 

Who did you like from the companions in DAI?

 

Also--GROOT is my avatar at another site.  LOVE GROOT.

 

Well, as a full cast of companions goes I liked this one the most from all BW fantasy games. While I didn't exactly love all the characters and not all of them are really memorable, there wasn't a single one I disliked. (For the record, from all BW games I liked the Mass Effect parties the most, even though there were 2 characters I didn't enjoy - Zaeed and Jack.)

 

My fav in DAI was once again Varric, but yeah, I too was kinda sad that Hawke will still be his BFF no matter what I do (unless I would kill Hawke and became the new BFF myself, muhaha... but there was no way in hell I would kill him, Hawke rules). Then Dorian and Iron Bull. Also I should mention DAI finally made me really like Morrigan (in the end of DAO and then in all subsequent playthrough she was an evil w(b)itch to me, but in DAI she was awesome).

 

I kinda became fed up with my previous go-to avatar - Witch King (taken from BFME unit portrait I believe) and after seeing Guardians of the Galaxy, I just had to change it