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[DomeWing333]

It's a sobering realization that we live in a world so rampant with homophobia that some among us can't even imagine a world without it.

[Sidney]

The problem with the quest was it was such a lazy bit of writing to me. Ooooh, daddy won't accept me. Dorian is such an interesting and complex character it is a shame that his personal quest came down to that.

[kalasaurus]

http://www.charisman...ed-in-classroom

Oh noes, the gay agenda strikes again.

[Mann42]

...or even probably the most commonly controversial response in a lot of quarters of "I don't believe the Maker or Andraste would agree with your lifestyle or whatever and you shouldn't be that way"; the last of which, I believe, would have created some fantastic drama with Dorian.

As far as has been revealed, there is nothing in the Chant of Light or the Andrastrian religion in general that says anything harmful or negative about homosexuals. Even the issues Tenvinter magisters have with it are entirely because of magical breeding capability, not because of any cultural lack of acceptance. Adding it now would be merely to appease religiously motivated bigots, which I don't really see Bioware falling over themselves to do.

 

 

Gee Thedas sure is progressive for what is supposed to be a dark fantasy universe!

Apparently, ancient Greece and Rome were super 'progressive' too. There's plenty of historical and cultural precedent on our own planet of places without homophobic bias. 

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Are you also annoyed there's no option for your character to condemn Ser Barras for being black?

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

The problem with the quest was it was such a lazy bit of writing to me. Ooooh, daddy won't accept me. Dorian is such an interesting and complex character it is a shame that his personal quest came down to that.

 

Well, Gaider did say it was a bit of a self-insert. Maybe something similar happened to him, that he wanted to express in his writing.

[daveliam]

As far as has been revealed, there is nothing in the Chant of Light or the Andrastrian religion in general that says anything harmful or negative about homosexuals. Even the issues Tenvinter magisters have with it are entirely because of magical breeding capability, not because of any cultural lack of acceptance. Adding it now would be merely to appease religiously motivated bigots, which I don't really see Bioware falling over themselves to do.

 

Exactly.  Why can't these people just stop trying to push their agenda on video game developers?  They should be free to make whatever game they want to make without having to be pressured into caving to political and social agendas, right?

 

 

Well, Gaider did say it was a bit of a self-insert. Maybe something similar happened to him, that he wanted to express in his writing.

 

That's why I don't think it's a cliche story.  It's a pretty common experience for gay people and I also have the feeling that Gaider was exorcising some demons with that story as well.  If all gay characters had stories like that, then I'd be bummed and think it was cliche.  But one gay character's story representing a common experience for gay people?  That's fine with me. 

[drummerchick]

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Shouldn't everything be inclusive for all viewpoints or is Dragon Age becoming the sounding board only for those of the LGBT community?

There are plenty of us heteros who enjoy the LGBT content of these games, and in the real world, we support LGBT rights.

You are very mistaken to think only gay people care about gay stuff and things.

[Boost32]

People being homophobic does not disprove or discredit the assertion that homosexuality isn't a big deal.

I agree, I was just saying that Homophobia exist in Thedas.

[TheLastArchivist]

What I find to be "unfair" and "not accurate" is the way Bioware designed the responses for the player to these things within this quest and, from what I have seen so far, to all presentations to anything resembling LGBT in this game. At least with this quest, there is no dialogue option whatsoever that would outright condemn Dorian for being gay in the first place; for whatever personal or roleplaying reason the player would have.

 

 

I wish I could have told him to stop being so childish and marry a woman to keep up appearances.

A lot of politicians have gay sex in reclusive parties with young men and never tell their wives. Thus, they preserve the institution of marriage and balance it with their true personal experiences.

I imagine Tevinter must mirror this, with Magisters having affairs with their young apprentices and/or elven slaves.

 

Dorian's family's power and influence were at stake. And the only thing he could think about was himself. He was the sole heir of House Pavus and turned his back on his family because he refused to ensure their continuous survival? Really? In a society where the tiniest weakness is exploited by your enemies?

 

I don't even know if his claim of his father using blood magic on him was truthful...his father did try to change him; from ****** to hetero. And he used psychological pressure to achieve this - you are no son of mine!

 

Bt the truth is, Dorian never had to stand for himself. And he was pampered, no doubt by his mother as well. It's no wonder he is such an idealist, albeit having a good overall understanding of politics in Thedas. But that is due to his superior education, rather than any genuine experience with politics at all, something that his father has and feels his son should begin to have as well. 

 

My guess is that the blood magic argument was used as a resource to justify his father's actions as atrocious and sensitize the player to Dorian's situation instead.

[TheLastArchivist]

LOL the forum censors the word that means gay!

 

I can write hetero, but not the other one?

 

What the hell...

[BabyPuncher]

Although I wasn't bothered by Dorian's quest, I was fairly irritated at not being given any option to respond to Iron Bull claiming Krem was a 'real man.'

 

I basically agree. If BioWare wants to talk about an issue, they should give the player dialogue to respond to it as they see fit. They can absolutely imply that the protagonist's viewpoint is wrong, but it should be an available viewpoint nonetheless. If they don't want to give players they option to respond to it, they shouldn't be bringing the issue up in the first place.

[AresKeith]

Sometimes I feel like all faceless people are the same person

[Hazegurl]

The way I see it, there is a lot you can't say and do in this game which is disappointing from an RP perspective.  However, since the people of Thedas don't have the same issue with homosexuality as we do IRL, I don't think it would fit to have an "Ew get away from me!" option. HOWEVER, I think it would have fit for a human noble to agree with Halward that he should get married and sire children for the sake of his family. Of course Dorian doesn't have to agree. But the option to agree with Halward should be there and it would make sense, especially for a member of the nobility.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

http://www.charisman...ed-in-classroom

That's messed up. 

[Maconbar]

It's too bad that BW abandoned the rifts causing catastrophic global warming storyline. Then we would have twice the controversy.

[BabyPuncher]

Reading some of these responses, people are acting like the OP wants to be able to walk up to any gay character and be given a dialogue option to shout slurs in their face and kick them off the team or immediately execute them.

 

That's just ridiculous, and a serious failing to understand cause and effect.

 

The relevant point here is that the players did not bring this issue up. BioWare did. By writing a story arc specifically about this issue, BioWare is effectively asking the player "How does your character feel about this?"

 

They could have avoided this issue. Nobody asked them or forced them to talk about it. They decided to talk about it. They decided to write a story about it.

 

A story not giving you the option to dislike something and a story asking you your opinion on something and then preventing you from saying you dislike it are two completely different things.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

LOL the forum censors the word that means gay!

 

I can write hetero, but not the other one?

 

What the hell...

The other one has been used as a slur against the homosexual community, so Bioware has censored it in the event someone uses it as a slur. I don't get it either, since they allow other terms that are used as slurs to be posted without being censored, but that's the reason. 

[Alejandrawrr]

Gee Thedas sure is progressive for what is supposed to be a dark fantasy universe!

And thank the MAKER for that. Thedas deviating from the sloppy and uninspired way most writers c/p medieval Europe in their FANTASY (not historical fiction) settings is one of the reasons I love the setting as much as I do. It also serves as an inspiration for me, as a budding fantasy writer, to come up with actual unique or somewhat interesting settings. It's funny how so many in the fantasy genre lack any sort of originality when it comes to worldbuilding, so I commend the writers for what they've done with the setting.

Also, it being a Dark Fantasy setting doesn't necessitate that it be absolute **** and grimdark in every possible way. Yeah, you can have your gay weddings in Thedas, and you can also get mauled by darkspawn, have your loved ones turned into ghouls and/or broodmothers, and so on, at said wedding. As a gay man, I'd still rather live in our world (with marriage equality a WIP) than theirs, so I'd say it's still mission accomplished on creating a dark setting 

[ThreeF]

Reading some of these responses, people are acting like the OP wants to be able to go able to walk up to any gay character and be given a dialogue option to shout slurs in their face and kick them off the team or immediately execute them.

 

That's just ridiculous, and a serious failing to understand cause and effect.

 

The relevant point here is that the players did not bring this issue up. BioWare did. By writing a story arc specifically about this issue, BioWare is effectively asking the player "How do you feel about this?"

 

They could have avoided this issue. Nobody asked them or forced them to talk about it. They decided to talk about it.

Player almost never brings any controversial issue up, why the gay issue has to be any different?

[TheLastArchivist]

The other one has been used as a slur against the homosexual community, so Bioware has censored it in the event someone uses it as a slur. I don't get it either, since they allow other terms that are used as slurs to be posted without being censored, but that's the reason. 

 

I see. Thanks for the clarification! 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I see. Thanks for the clarification! 

You are welcome.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Reading some of these responses, people are acting like the OP wants to be able to go able to walk up to any gay character and be given a dialogue option to shout slurs in their face and kick them off the team or immediately execute them.

 

That's just ridiculous, and a serious failing to understand cause and effect.

 

The relevant point here is that the players did not bring this issue up. BioWare did. By writing a story arc specifically about this issue, BioWare is effectively asking the player "How do you feel about this?"

 

They could have avoided this issue. Nobody asked them or forced them to talk about it. They decided to talk about it.

 

The problem is that the OP is asking why the Inquisitor can't say that Dorian sexual preference is disgusting doesn't make sense in the cultural setting of Thedas, especially when he asks why he can't use religion to justify the PC's prejudice. The Chantry as no stance on homosexuality and it would be nonsensically for someone to say something like, "I don't believe the Maker or Andraste would agree with your lifestyle or whatever and you shouldn't be that way". 

 

The Chantry isn't the Catholic Church. 

[KaiserShep]

I was never able to call anyone a filthy knife-ear throughout the series. This injustice has grown intolerable.

[AresKeith]

I was never able to call anyone a filthy knife-ear throughout the series. This injustice has grown intolerable.

 

Or making fun of Dwarves

 

So unfair!!