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[ThreeF]

Sure, but it need to make sense to the lore. As I said before, no one in thedus cares about sexuality.

Yeah I agree on that.

[ThreeF]

Shemlen in the Elven language means "quickling or "quick children" so by calling the human race Shemlen they are comparing them as children to the elves which would be adults. 

ernm..actually i think it's a reference to  the fact that Humans have shorter lifespan or something.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sure, but it need to make sense to the lore. As I said before, no one in thedus cares about sexuality.

I'd say it is more accurate to say that no culture in Thedas cares about sexuality. We have seen people care about it by approving or disapproving various sexual orientations and/or sexual lifestyles. 

[leaguer of one]

Perhaps, but it's ambiguous enough to me that one can interpret it as the character being completely clueless about the concept.  And, for that matter, there's the line that preceeds Dorian's sarcasm about needing to explain the concept.  "I'll need you to explain that".  If homosexuality was accepted in the way you think it is, there is no reason anyone would ask that question.  One who accepts homosexuality, completely as we understand it, would never ask someone to "explain", you would accept it as is or jump straight to "I didn't know you were x".  Why else would one ask to explain what "preferring the company of men" meant if not to be indicative of the fact they aren't familiar with the concept?  None of the following responses make sense except for "No women" or "spare me the details".  It's part of the reason I think the whole thing is poorly executed.  People are arguing that the scene makes sense in the Thedosian context, but I think the complete opposite - it's clearly written as it is to make sense from the perspective of our society.  It's clearly forced and because of that it can't accomplish what it was supposed to do.  It just ends up being a self-congratulating echo chamber

I'm sure Thedosians don't care about who you sleep with, but I never got the impression from the Sexuality in Thedas codex that people, mainly nobles to be fair, understood that one might have sexual relations exclusively with the same sex (as is the case with dorian) was a valid thing.  It's all phrased as "so long as they do their family bearing duty".  Ergo, you can't exclusively have sex with the same sex and not be criticised in nobility.  This is the case everywhere in Thedas as far as that codex is concerned.  For the Dalish, I can't think of any reason why they would see homosexuality per se as being wrong, but if you're a society that teeters on the brink of extinction (and constantly talking about it), I can't see how they would support exclusively homosexual relations.  That's why I think the "no women at all?" thing is indicative of completely astonishment at the idea of exclusive homosexuality, at least by the human noble or a Dalish elf.  I would say the same for the Dwarf if they weren't surfacers.

That's does not mean what you think it means. It just mean the person is asking seeing how far Dorians preference in men goes.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

ernm..actually i think it's a reference to  the fact that Humans have shorter lifespan or something.

Then why have children in it? If the only definition was quickling I would agree, but that is not the case. 

[RenAdaar]

I'm going to assume that when people say "Biowares first gay character" they mean gay male character and only in dragon age. Or Sera and the ME3 team weren't gay enough for the title   

[ThreeF]

Then why have children in it? If the only definition was quickling I would agree, but that is not the case. 

Well it's not necessary derogatory in itself (this is irrelevant to how Dalish use it though). Child in case of Shemlen could also mean "of that particular origin" the same way dwarves are called "children of Stone"

[KaiserShep]

Then why have children in it? If the only definition was quickling I would agree, but that is not the case.

Note that dwarves are also referred to as children of the stone. "Child" in this case doesn't seem to mean something negative in and of itself.

Edit: dang ninja'd by ThreeF.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well it's not necessary derogatory in itself (this is irrelevant to how Dalish use it though). Child in case of Shemlen could also mean "of that particular origin" the same way dwarves are called "children of Stone"

Note that dwarves are also referred to as children of the stone. "Child" in this case doesn't seem to mean something negative in and of itself.

Edit: danged ninja'd by ThreeF.

Fair enough, but shemlen has been turned into a derogatory term. We have a few terms like that in our own languages. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm going to assume that when people say "Biowares first gay character" they mean gay male character and only in dragon age. Or Sera and the ME3 team weren't gay enough for the title   

Don't forget Juhani in KOTOR. She was a lesbian.

Dorian is Bioware's first gay male romancable companion. 

[RenAdaar]

Don't forget Juhani in KOTOR. She was a lesbian.

Dorian is Bioware's first gay male romancable companion. 

What about that guy in ME3 steve or cor-something ( I can't remeber his name) wasn't he a male shep only romance? 

 

ah I see companion then they (bioware) should really change the way they word that. Its just odd to make it sound like all the other characters dont exist. 

[ThreeF]

Note that dwarves are also referred to as children of the stone. "Child" in this case doesn't seem to mean something negative in and of itself.

Edit: dang ninja'd by ThreeF.

It's kind of interesting btw how many players were shocked that Abelas called the elven IQ "shemlen" and took it as offense where perhaps it was just him stating a fact (in comparison to him) and it also made me think that perhaps shemlen was originally a word meant not for humans but for current elves/humans generally whoever was not ancient elves.

[leaguer of one]

It's kind of interesting btw how many players were shocked that Abelas called the elven IQ "shemlen" and took it as offense where perhaps it was just him stating a fact (in comparison to him) and it also made me think that perhaps shemlen was originally a word meant not for humans but for current elves/humans generally whoever was not ancient elves.

Elves been using it as a curse word for years to put down humans. Anyone who use the word in that mind set would see the word as a curse and a shock. After how he put down modern elves before he said that it just salt on a festering wound.

[Draining Dragon]

The message I get from Dragon Age is: it's okay to murder children, practice human sacrifice, support slavery, and endorse genocide, but god forbid you say something homophobic.

[leaguer of one]

The message I get from Dragon Age is: it's okay to murder children, practice human sacrifice, support slavery, and endorse genocide, but god forbid you say something homophobic.

More of the case the thadus as a whole does not comprehend homophobia.

[Orian Tabris]

*snips the OP, 'cause it's so big*

 

[Grieving Natashina]

I think the point has been missed that you can't say something homophobic because the entire concept of homophobia doesn't exist in Thedas.   

[Steelcan]

I think the point has been missed that you can't say something homophobic because the entire concept of homophobia doesn't exist in Thedas.   

well it does *looks at Gamlen*

 

it just isn't engrained into culture

[TEWR]

I feel outraged that Bioware is not acknowledging my beliefs that all governments everywhere are being controlled by Reptilians.

 

I misread that as Republicans for a moment.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

The message I get from Dragon Age is: it's okay to murder children, practice human sacrifice, support slavery, and endorse genocide, but god forbid you say something homophobic.

 

You're reading way too much into a single scene in a single character's side story.

[AresKeith]

I misread that as Republicans for a moment.

 

Same thing 

[Grieving Natashina]

well it does *looks at Gamlen*

 

it just isn't engrained into culture

I don't think that's homophobia at all.  I think in Gamlen's case, he's a creep.  He makes screwed up comments no matter what.   Making comments about wanting to see two women in bed together isn't homophobic to me.  Making that statement one of those people is your niece is just screwed up.

 

 The whole "which one is the girl" comment comes if you hook up with Fenris as a male Hawke.  It's more of a case of elf prejudice than homophobia.  Stating otherwise gives the impression Gamlen truly gives enough of a crap one way or the other about...pretty much anything unless you get him and Charade to start talking.

[TEWR]

Same thing 

 

Exactly lol 

[Steelcan]

I don't think that's homophobia at all.  I think in Gamlen's case, he's a creep.  He makes screwed up comments no matter what.  

he's a creep, who makes homophobic comments....

 

also Dorian's father could quite easily be described as homophobic, though that gets into the murky territory of "was he solely looking out for his dynasty or was their some deeper issue going on there"

[Eterna]

Why would you want your inquisitor to act like a bumbling retard?