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[Nitrocuban]

Kaidan is dead and nobody cares.

Sorry.

[Booth]

 On the other hand, having a natural phenomenon as the 'villain' of new ME trilogy is very appealing concept to me, something completly different than Reapers and a great catalyst for potential conflicts among the races.

 

Not to me, but of course I could accept it. But... than I would prefer a pure fantasy "natural phenomenon" (like e-zero) or at least something actual unknown that could fit better, like dark matter. IF they try to use a bit more science in their fiction... please dont do it ridiculous illogical and based on the known science

[NuclearTech76]

You could argue that the Reapers intent was accomplished if synthesis was the ending. Reaper's invasion sort of made a universe wide Darwinian effect on evolution of species and technology. It could be interrupted that their intention was to prepare us for a worse conflict to follow. 

[Lee T]

As far as I'm concerned the only hope of Me is for them to go fresh and suprise us again. Using Dark Energy does not seem to be the right way to do that.

[ZipZap2000]

I'm not talking about the Reapers here. I'm only talking about using the idea of Dark Energy disturbing the galaxy. As I described in the OP, we would have to find a solution on our own.

 

That would be an excellent excuse to be travelling the galaxy and a grand adventure, removing the reapers from the dark energy plot removes the plot holes and you suddenly now have a foundation to work with. Dark energy needn't be the main focus either over the life of the franchise, mini conflicts arising from the main plot could provide interesting twists and new directions while you continue your mission eventually ending up where you need to be in the final installment. 

 

I like the idea. 

 

EDIT: Not so much the biotic vs norms business but I can see it being something that happens in the background to create a realistic atmosphere. 

[Farangbaa]

Sounds like a great way to play yet another Biotic Space Jesus

[Vortex13]

You could argue that the Reapers intent was accomplished if synthesis was the ending. Reaper's invasion sort of made a universe wide Darwinian effect on evolution of species and technology. It could be interrupted that their intention was to prepare us for a worse conflict to follow. 

 

 

I really hope that we never have a plot like this.

 

 

The whole: "I was secretly a good guy, training you all to fight the true big bad!" trope is so juvenile and a sign of poor writing (IMO).

 

Instead of working with the hero and his/her allies (like the hero's allies do), this "bad-but-secretly-good-guy" decides to kill, murder and, destroy everything as a form of training for our hero. Going by that logic the hero and his/her allies should try to kill each other as well, because that will obviously make them stronger. 

[NM_Che56]

There was an interesting sub-plot in Dragon Age: Inquisition that kind of reminded me of this Dark Energy thing.  It was when you and Dorian were in Redcliff, going up against Alexius...
 
While I think that the Dark Energy plot could be cool, I would like to see the series stay away from cataclysms for a bit.
 
I would like for the story of the new game to initially revolve around a mass exodus out of the galaxy because a large number of people (and aliens) aren't so sure the Reapers can be stopped.  Ostensibly, all of the Reapers are focused on the harvesting of all life in the Milky Way and fighting the resistance to their efforts. Rather than wait and see if Shepard and Co. can stop the end of all civilization as we know it, they opt to find a way to slip out the back door. 
 
Maybe the first game takes place sometime during Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2.  You're scouring the galaxy for resources, tech, etc to help this project along. A project funded by a corporate conglomerate and several eccentric entrepreneurs...like Kumun Shol.
 
 

 

 
Maybe your journey starts with a trip to Klencory to meet with Kumun Shol?

[Vortex13]

There was an interesting sub-plot in Dragon Age: Inquisition that kind of reminded me of this Dark Energy thing.  It was when you and Dorian were in Redcliff, going up against Alexius...
 
While I think that the Dark Energy plot could be cool, I would like to see the series stay away from cataclysms for a bit.
 
I would like for the story of the new game to initially revolve around a mass exodus out of the galaxy because a large number of people (and aliens) aren't so sure the Reapers can be stopped.  Ostensibly, all of the Reapers are focused on the harvesting of all life in the Milky Way and fighting the resistance to their efforts. Rather than wait and see if Shepard and Co. can stop the end of all civilization as we know it, they opt to find a way to slip out the back door. 
 
Maybe the first game takes place sometime during Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2.  You're scouring the galaxy for resources, tech, etc to help this project along. A project funded by a corporate conglomerate and several eccentric entrepreneurs...like Kumun Shol.
 
 

 

 
Maybe your journey starts with a trip to Klencory to meet with Kumun Shol?

 

 

 

Personally, I could only stomach an Ark Theory based Mass Effect game if every species from the original trilogy is going to be present in the new galaxy, no only rescuing the Humans, Turians, and Asari. Everyone, from the Rachni and the Vorcha, to the Quarians and Drell, the Hanar along with the Volus, and Elcor, etc. need to go on this trip as well.

 

 

Now I will admit that using an "established character" like Kumun Shol and his vast wealth would make such a scenario more plausible; he would likely have the funds to make sure that a cloned Rachni Queen egg (based on the data from Noveria) would be able to make it for example. Plus the fact that having a Volus in such a position of power and authority (like an alien Illusive Man) would do much to counter the 'I am a biotic god' meme/joke race the Volus have become.

 

I can see this working as Kumun's grand project, collecting members of the various species to make the trip as far back as ME 1 - 2; his efforts being privately funded would make more sense than the Ark Project being the work of galactic government, since we are told that everyone was putting everything behind the Crucible. 

[MissMayhem96]

Personally, I would not want another galaxy-threatening event/enemy/problem that we will have to fix. I think Bioware needs to focus on smaller, more personal stories. I'd love to see a focus on a threat that is not galaxy-threatening in itself but has the potential to become one if you don't stop it. Like some scheme, plotting and background machinations that plan to take down the governments and establish a new regime. Like the creation of the clone army in SW prequels.

 

Yeah, Bioware tried that with DA2 and it was good enough for some people. However, I don't know how the ME fanbase would react with a smaller scaled story.

[Vortex13]

Yeah, Bioware tried that with DA2 and it was good enough for some people. However, I don't know how the ME fanbase would react with a smaller scaled story.

 

 

One thing is certain, trying to top the Reapers is only going to turn Mass Effect into Dragon Ball Z; where each new villain of the week is an order of magnitude more powerful than all the previous ones put together.

 

 

 

I really don't want to see that happen to Mass Effect.

[Han Shot First]

If the Ark Theory pans out I have a feeling that it's origins will be tied to Tevos, after Thessia fell, telling Shepard that she needed to make arrangements for the continuance of galactic civilization. The Ark would essentially be the Council's Plan B, in the event the Reapers win. The Ark launches and at some point during it's flight the Reapers lose, but to the people aboard the Ark it no longer matters...they'll be on an epic one-way trip to parts unknown. (Andromeda?)

[Drone223]

If the Ark Theory pans out I have a feeling that it's origins will be tied to Tevos, after Thessia fell, telling Shepard that she needed to make arrangements for the continuance of galactic civilization. The Ark would essentially be the Council's Plan B, in the event the Reapers win. The Ark launches and at some point during it's flight the Reapers lose, but to the people aboard the Ark it no longer matters...they'll be on an epic one-way trip to parts unknown. (Andromeda?)

The biggest issue I have is that the whole "ark" thing is that it comes out of nowhere and is going to be contrived which is something the ME series should avoid. It'd have no build up like LP and crucible, it be ridiculous for such a project on a massive scale to remain hidden for so long the e.g. the reaper's did eventually learn of the crucible's assistance and there's the logistical and technological issue's of the project. Then there's the fact that everything Shepard did to save the galaxy is rendered worthless why bother saving the galaxy in the first place if your going too abandon it forever and never return you may as well let the reaper's win.

 

If Bioware decides to go that route (which I hope they don't) I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being poorly written because the whole thing just screams bad writing waiting to happen.

[Han Shot First]

The biggest issue I have is that the whole "ark" thing is that it comes out of nowhere and is going to be contrived which is something the ME series should avoid. It'd have no build up like LP and crucible, it be ridiculous for such a project on a massive scale to remain hidden for so long the e.g. the reaper's did eventually learn of the crucible's assistance and there's the logistical and technological issue's of the project. Then there's the fact that everything Shepard did to save the galaxy is rendered worthless why bother saving the galaxy in the first place if your going too abandon it forever and never return you may as well let the reaper's win.

 

If Bioware decides to go that route (which I hope they don't) I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being poorly written because the whole thing just screams bad writing waiting to happen.

 

I don't think it necessarily contrived. The existence of an ark ship wouldn't entirely be a surprise when Tevos' dialogue hints at some Plan B, without going into detail. We've also already seen one species go a similar route to avoid extinction with the Virtual Aliens, though they also went synthetic. And presumably any such project would be top secret, and not necessarily something Shepard would be privy to.

 

Also with the Ark Theory I don't believe the entire galaxy gets on ships. Most people remain behind and would be living in Council or Terminus space in the aftermath of the Reaper War. If the Ark Theory pans out I think it's far more likely that the Ark is just a single ship, or a fleet of them, that contains thousands of people from the various races that were fighting the Reapers. The game would just be following characters on the Ark ship(s) or their descendants, rather than people who remained behind in Council or Terminus space.

 

Personally I'd be more excited for a direct sequel to ME3 set at least partially in regions of the Milky Way we previously explored, but I think an Ark Theory setting has some potential as well. Whether or not the story turns out to be good depends on how well it is written, regardless which route the devs go. I don't think the Ark Theory setting itself however limits the writers in any way that guarantees a bad story. In either setting whether or not the story works depends on the execution.

[Drone223]

 

I don't think it necessarily contrived. The existence of an ark ship wouldn't entirely be a surprise when Tevos' dialogue hints at some Plan B, without going into detail. We've also already seen one species go a similar route to avoid extinction with the Virtual Aliens, though they also went synthetic. And presumably any such project would be top secret, and not necessarily something Shepard would be privy to.

And so was the crucible as said before such a project would also be of a significant scale they have to  get their resources and technology from somewhere and the share cost of it would eventually get noticed and begin to spread rumors. You also have the fact that Liara is the shadow broker and such a project would've been brought up at some point. Which brings another point using just a single quote said by one person in the late stages of the game is not a good example of a build up, it has to be developed out and flesh out before, saying one line is not build up, it'll have the same issue's as the DE plot it wasn't developed enough.

 

For the record I'm not against going to another galaxy because it'd make for an interesting story, I'm against going to another galaxy and abandoning the milky way forever as it'll just result in nothing but wasted potential and a huge disservice to the franchise.

[katamuro]

Personally I thought the dark energy thing was even stupidier than Reapers reaping species to save them from synthetics. No offence but galactic global warming? With uber-machines that act as some kind of galactic eco-police? Yeeaaah, didnt think so. 

 

As for Ark theory, let it stay a theory please. 

[Vortex13]

Personally I thought the dark energy thing was even stupidier than Reapers reaping species to save them from synthetics. No offence but galactic global warming? With uber-machines that act as some kind of galactic eco-police? Yeeaaah, didnt think so. 

 

Galactic Eco-police that leave galactic global warming technology laying around for the species of the cycles to use, thus causing more galactic global warming.

 

 

As for Ark theory, let it stay a theory please. 

 

 

Same here.

[Vortex13]

You know if the next plot was going to revolve around galactic sized natural disasters, I think that a much more believable plot can be used instead of something as nebulous as Dark Energy. The universe can be extremely dangerous, and it doesn't take more than a galactic 'hiccup' for all life as we know it to be wiped out.

 

 

 

Consider how black holes; the big boring things that most sci-fi writers assume to be nothing more than celestial vacuum cleaners; can fire death rays, capable of destroying life on planets over intergalactic distances.

 

http://www.nasa.gov/...ews/07-139.html

 

 

If a future title is going to utilize some form of outer space natural disaster; not that I hope that BioWare does; there are many far more interesting, and realistic ways nature can royally screw us over (IMO). 

[katamuro]

Considering our understanding of black holes is just basically some really clever guesses by some really clever people using them as some kind of "galacitc natural disaster" would have been cool. 

 

What if the original Reaper was a species that was so frightened of the black holes,  or the threat that they might present that they Reaperised themselves in order to give them millions of years of time to search for the answer, and when that did not work they went around creating more reapers to boost their capabilities but only out of advances species, species that could actually add to what they already know, after all various species would have different approaches to science dictated by their homeworld's. 

So they Reap whole species every 50k years to find the answer of how to combat black holes, to stop them from consuming the rest of the galaxy. 

Probably not the best idea, but its at least one way they could have been used more effectively than the whole synthetics-organics thing. 

[Maniccc]

Dark energy idea...stupid.  Organics vs synthetics...yawn stupid.  Robot demons killing everything to save it from itself...stupid.  Yea, the enter ME plotline, as messy as it was, was stupid.

 

The Reapers were a little interesting at first in ME1, when they were a mystery.  Then they became yet another meaningless demon army, well giant robot cuttlefish army, with a program telling them to kill everyone and collect their DNA in giant space-cuttlefish-ships in an attempt to save them from synthetics...oh the irony....

 

So much stupidity.  But the universe was great, and the music was amazing.  Except for the garbage electronic club music....

[SwobyJ]

Dark energy idea...stupid.  Organics vs synthetics...yawn stupid.  Robot demons killing everything to save it from itself...stupid.  Yea, the enter ME plotline, as messy as it was, was stupid.

 

The Reapers were a little interesting at first in ME1, when they were a mystery.  Then they became yet another meaningless demon army, well giant robot cuttlefish army, with a program telling them to kill everyone and collect their DNA in giant space-cuttlefish-ships in an attempt to save them from synthetics...oh the irony....

 

So much stupidity.  But the universe was great, and the music was amazing.  Except for the garbage electronic club music....

 

*grumble*

[GalacticWolf5]

Let's keep the thread on topic please. If you're not here to talk about what I explained in the OP, you can go in another thread. Thank you.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Yeah, Bioware tried that with DA2 and it was good enough for some people. However, I don't know how the ME fanbase would react with a smaller scaled story.

 

Yes, they did and I liked it. But the fan base wants a super power trip. Hence my signature after playing DAI. I am the Herald of Andraste. Bow before me. I expect ME4 to be a huge power trip for the player.

 

This said I hope we don't see a dark energy plot. Dark Energy makes up 75% of known space. I don't think organic generated "dark energy" by biotics and mass effect field use or "smog" would be able to be sold to any gamer that understands this. Biotics vs. non-biotics? Okay, so we get Psi-corps vs normals, and those squid-headed blue aliens are not to be trusted because they can steal your thoughts. And those four-eyed slavers? Cerberus is an idea. You can't kill ideas.

 

Okay so we ignore the Shepard trilogy, reboot the series, say that the Protheans really did build the Mass Relays, say that the reapers don't exist. Have the Protheans still in the galaxy, but that their empire underwent an economic collapse because all empires rise and fall, and come up with a new story.

[katamuro]

Well I don't see what is there more to talk about. The dark energy plot was rejected for ME3 and it seems its still not very popular so I doubt that they will be going back to it especially considering that a lot of people begged bioware to have the next ME game with an enemy that is not as galactic in size. The writers in bioware were able to create a large amount of background missions that were just as good as the main ones so it would be nice to have a more personal story. something not as doomsdayish.

[SwobyJ]

Well I don't see what is there more to talk about. The dark energy plot was rejected for ME3 and it seems its still not very popular so I doubt that they will be going back to it especially considering that a lot of people begged bioware to have the next ME game with an enemy that is not as galactic in size. The writers in bioware were able to create a large amount of background missions that were just as good as the main ones so it would be nice to have a more personal story. something not as doomsdayish.

 

I'll care more about keeping my vision of the galaxy's development intact, compared to trying to ensure its survival. Others may be the opposite there, but that's them.