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[Larry-3]

I found this on YouTube, and thought, why was this taken out of the Normandy inventory?

 

[ImaginaryMatter]

It certainly is strange. I think they wanted to have the awesome Cain cameo without thinking over the implications of a hand held weapon that can gun down whole Reapers, even if they are just the little ones. Like why is everyone bothering with these janky Thanix missiles that look like they're straight out of WWII when you can mass produce megatons in such a tiny, little package?

[Bardox9]

The idea is ridiculous.As powerful as the Cain is, it doesn't have the punch to take out a Reaper with one shot. Two shots couldn't take down that proto-reaper brain fart from ME2, yet one shot can take down a fully constructed Reaper??

[fhs33721]

Is that canon thing even a Reaper? I just assumed it is some sort of other non sentinent machine like the occuli for example. If I remember correctly nobody even refers to it as Reaper. Everyone just calls it Hades cannon, anti aircraft cannon or something along those lines opposed to when the destroyer blocks your path and everyone calls it a Reaper.

[Daemul]

The Hades Cannon isn't a Reaper, and it isn't once said in game to be a Reaper, it's a energy weapon mounted on the 4-legged chassis of a destroyer. The entire top half of a destroyer is carved out in order to house the cannon in the remaining bottom shell, there's nothing in there but the cannon.

[Vazgen]

Daemul explained it clearly. That said, I'd love to have Cain for the final section of Priority: Earth

[God]

I'm with the crowd that says it's not a true Reaper, but let's just wait for the people who are going to come in and insist that it is a Reaper.

 

The people who say that we could have beaten the Reapers, that the organic/synthetic conflict isn't real, the usual.

[Larry-3]

"It is a massive directed-energy cannon, capable of being mounted on the four-legged chassis of a Destroyer-class Reaper." -- Mass Effect wiki

The point is, why take it out of Mass Effect? What because it would make the Reapers seem to soft or something?

I think they should have been War Assets or something.

"Supply of M-920 Cain's" plus 1500 war assets.

[Iakus]

"It is a massive directed-energy cannon, capable of being mounted on the four-legged chassis of a Destroyer-class Reaper." -- Mass Effect wiki

The point is, why take it out of Mass Effect? What because it would make the Reapers seem to soft or something?

I think they should have been War Assets or something.

"Supply of M-920 Cain's" plus 1500 war assets.

Because "Reapers cannot be beaten conventionally"  Or something

 

If Reapers could be one-shotted by handheld weapons, we wouldn't need space magic to bet them.

[Linkenski]

Another result of what happens if you give an entire level to Mac Walters without peer review.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Because Cerberus had a monopoly on the M-920 Cains. Everyone knows that Cerberus had the best armor, weapons, and ships in the galaxy. If the Council had fully funded Cerberus instead of wasting time fighting them, we might have beaten the reapers conventionally. The only reason we have the one or two on Earth is because the Alliance took them from The Illusive Man.

[SwobyJ]

Yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff about the Cain and Reapers being able to be blown up etc etc.

 

 

But in itself, yeahno, a Hades Cannon isn't a Reaper, and it is clearly more EXPOSED than a Reaper Destroyer or Sovereign Class almost ever is.

 

It may use Reaper Code (anything 'Reaper' does), but it isn't a Reaper and doesn't have the defenses of one. So yes indeed, mere mortals do stand a chance against Hades Cannons, just as they do against most or all husks. Destroyers and Sovereigns though? Almost no way. Destroyers take a hell of a lot of effort and luck. And Sovereigns seem to take near impossible effort and weaponry and luck (though I think it has happened once or more than once  around Palaven even on foot, right? The 'Miracle of Palaven'?).

 

This cycle is the most successful at striking back against the Reapers btw (we just are losing people and ships and planets at a rate that we can't support these tactics for even a year, compared to Prothians' more preservational approach over years and decades and ultimately centuries kinda). We can blow up Hades Cannons. Yes, with Cains, it appears.

 

A bigger problem of this kind of thing isn't so much of logic of it in itself, and we can even believe that it's being done across the galaxy. The problem is that we never SEE this stuff. I'd be SO refreshing to see allied forces actually USE our assets and already existing tech more. DO IT. SHEPARD IS NOT THE ONLY SOLDIER WHO CAN PICK UP A CAIN.

[luckybaer]

I was excited when I unlocked that weapon.  Decided to take it along as we went through the Omega 4 Relay.  Realized that I didn't know how to use it.  Immediately swapped it out for something else first chance I got.  

 

Not knocking the weapon.  More of a knock against myself for taking a weapon as I headed towards the final mission without really becoming familiar with it.  What a noob!!

[ZerebusPrime]

Daemul explained it clearly. That said, I'd love to have Cain for the final section of Priority: Earth

 

In the sequence with the Hades Cannon there are multiple Cains available to Shepard.  One is meant for the followup fight or in case you somehow miss, I guess.  Anyway, I have a habit of picking up the other one, not expending its ammo, and making sure Shepard carries it with him onto Anderson's shuttle.

 

Yet it always disappears at the forward operating base!!!  We've got great masses of Reaper troops to cut through and yet Shepard apparently decides to throw the tac nuke out the window before landing! 

[themikefest]

After destroying the hades cannon, I usually use the second one on the banshee

[DanishGambit]

After destroying the hades cannon, I usually use the second one on the banshee

I always hit the squad when I do that...

[Linkenski]

I think it was just the writers being lazy there. It was said that Priority Earth was not peer reviewed neither and that the only thing the senior writers contributed with were the character goodbyes but no peer review apparently.

 

That Hades Cannon is as big as a Reaper Destroyer but somehow a Cain-920 is as strong as the combined quarian fleet, which is dumb. Again this was a huge missed opportunity. It should've been the hammer of dawn thing from Rannoch and then the geth or the quarian fleet air-striking the hades cannon making your war assets really matter.

[Iakus]

I think it was just the writers being lazy there. It was said that Priority Earth was not peer reviewed neither and that the only thing the senior writers contributed with were the character goodbyes but no peer review apparently.

 

That Hades Cannon is as big as a Reaper Destroyer but somehow a Cain-920 is as strong as the combined quarian fleet, which is dumb. Again this was a huge missed opportunity. It should've been the hammer of dawn thing from Rannoch and then the geth or the quarian fleet air-striking the hades cannon making your war assets really matter.

Based on the codex entry, the Cain shears away kinetic energy barriers in a way similar to disruptor torpedos.  So it punches right through the Reaper barriers.  

 

Sounds like an "unconventional" way to fight Reapers...

[Arcian]

It certainly is strange. I think they wanted to have the awesome Cain cameo without thinking over the implications of a hand held weapon that can gun down whole Reapers, even if they are just the little ones. Like why is everyone bothering with these janky Thanix missiles that look like they're straight out of WWII when you can mass produce megatons in such a tiny, little package?

If Cain projectiles impacted their target in megatons, the one used by Shepard in London wouldn't just have wrecked the Reaper, but flattened the entire city.

As it stands, the Cain doesn't even come close to a single kiloton, or even the most powerful non-nuclear bomb on earth, the russian ATBIP which has the explosive power of 44 tons of TNT and a blast radius of 300 meters.

[God]

Based on the codex entry, the Cain shears away kinetic energy barriers in a way similar to disruptor torpedos.  So it punches right through the Reaper barriers.  

 

Sounds like an "unconventional" way to fight Reapers...

 

And the Reaper barriers are much, much more powerful than anything we have. Which means weapons that were previously effective are no longer so.

 

So no, not a viable means of fighting Reapers. Or even 'a' Reaper.

[Iakus]

And the Reaper barriers are much, much more powerful than anything we have. Which means weapons that were previously effective are no longer so.

 

So no, not a viable means of fighting Reapers. Or even 'a' Reaper.

Except for the one Shepard kills with a Cain, you mean?

[God]

Except for the one Shepard kills with a Cain, you mean?

 

Except that that one is likely not a true Reaper. It's never mentioned as one, nor does anyone treat it as one.

 

So, it's like the Haliat fella you kill in ME1. He's clearly supposed to be a Turian, but was modeled as a human. 

[SwobyJ]

Except for the one Shepard kills with a Cain, you mean?

 

That isn't a Reaper.

 

Its a cannon.

 

Oooo so impressive. You broke a cannon.

[Excella Gionne]

I could have used this on Destroy.

[Larry-3]

Technically it did not directly slam into it. It zigzaged around it a flew into it and it exploded on the inside.