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[Dai Grepher]

Exactly my point. A bloodmage Hawke could do it secretly while openly condemning it to remain beyond suspicion.

[Winged Silver]

Looking at those who are suggesting that Hawke is putting down BM as a move of subtlety...an interesting idea. I will consider it more carefully next time I import a Hawke who practices BM.

 

Does make me wish that Bioware let our characters argue the point more often in game. BM seems like one of the most 'shades of grey' topics in DA.

 

In particular, as characters who've been able to play as Dalish, Wardens, and some other groups - we are allowed to base our opinions on them from personal experience (which is interesting, to my mind at least, because were it not for my GW in DAO, I'd probably find the Wardens rather stupid from some of their actions/comment in DA2 and DAI). With BM, that's something that's still been kept very 'outside' so to speak. I'd love to explore it in an in depth manner.

[Saphiron123]

I sort of get it though, even a hawke who uses blood magic didn't exactly have the best experience with it.

Reanimated mother anyone? Pretty much every blood Mage in DA2 had a really bad end because of it, so hawke's words were true for everyone else, and certainly about his/her experiences with other blood mages.

People forget that while DAI was a game about weak mages with very little power, DA2 was almost a PSA on the dangers of blood magic even if you used it yourself. Hawke did okay, nobody else did.

Orsino. The renegade mages. His mother. The necromancer. The various mages who tried to kill hawke.

They all had bad blood magic related days.

[Saphiron123]

Plus, in mixed company, would a blood magic using hawke really say "Yay blood magic" to someone he never met?

That would be pretty dumb given the "kill all blood mages" mentality that's so hip among the people these days.

People are pissed hawke didn't openly support blood magic, but was their hawke honestly that dumb?

[PhroXenGold]

Plus, in mixed company, would a blood magic using hawke really say "Yay blood magic" to someone he never met?

That would be pretty dumb given the "kill all blood mages" mentality that's so hip among the people these days.

People are pissed hawke didn't openly support blood magic, but was their hawke honestly that dumb?

 

I would be perfectly happy if she didn't "openly support it". But she goes way way beyond merely not supporting it.

[Ieldra]

Hawke is canonically openly Andrastian, which is a different thing.

She can be skeptical all you want; she just doesn't talk about it.

For years, I worked at an organization whose mission I thought foolish. I respected their ideals, but their idealism was hopelessly naïve. But I never said so openly when I was there, because that would have been dumb.

I'm somewhat hesitant about rationalizing away character traits I don't like by saying they're lying. Also, I find it insulting that the writers make such character-defining decisions for me in a damned roleplaying game, and that won't go away whatever I do about it. However, I can take it now and then as long as they don't make my character stupid, or even appear stupid, without giving me a choice about it.

[Iadro]

Inquisition does try a push a black-and-white view with Hawke, doesn't it?

 

"Blood magic is EVIL and I would NEVER..." I don't really get it. I mean, it's all well and good to preach about evil blood magic in front of what is in effect an agent of the Chantry, but in my opinion it is the prudent mage who learns at least one spell powered by their own blood -  the magical equivalent of an "escape rope." I'm picturing what Jowan did at the Circle, but less, you know... obvious. A more efficient Fade Step, or some sort of short-term memory wipe. No one is advocating reckless demonic summoning, now. Besides, demons are notoriously unhelpful. 

 

The fact is that mages in Thedas are not safe from their fellow man. Informers apparently loaf about on every corner (just look in canon how many mages are informed upon by their nearest and dearest), and since we know that Templars have no enhanced ability of detecting mages on their own, relying on detective work and spies, a prospective man or woman who just wants to live life without being caged is in great danger if they are caught practicing any sort of magic. Or heck, if their neighbours dislike them enough. Even skilled mages, like Malcolm Hawke, are succeptible to being caught and coerced to bind demons and Ancient Magisters of all things.

 

A single Smite performed by a Templar (I'm talking REAL Templars, not the inexplicably neutered ones that are unable to turn a mage's mana reserve against them) is all that is needed to take away all of a mage's defenses. Not only does a Smite, Cleanse, or Silence zap the mana pool, it also leaves mages weak and unable to lift a finger to protect themselves from attack. If you are a mage, in the near inevitable case a Templar catches you, a spell that requires no mana is the highest priority spell to familiarize yourself with if you intend to protect yourself..  

[Namea]

People begged for their characters to return so the team tried to make it happen. As a result, the character no longer feels like ours. 

It's pretty much a damned if you do damned if you don't situation for Bioware here. Had they NOT had Hawke appear there would be fans yelling about that. 

[Uccio]

Reanimated mother anyone? Pretty much every blood Mage in DA2 had a really bad end because of it, so hawke's words were true for everyone else, and certainly about his/her experiences with other blood mages.

 

The problem with the mother is that it was necromancy, not blood magic.

 

Besides, Hawke being a apostate would make most sense being a blood mage. The only magic which helps you fight templars. If your life is in line would you decline using the gun in your hand?

[JadeDragon]

The problem with the mother is that it was necromancy, not blood magic.

 

Besides, Hawke being a apostate would make most sense being a blood mage. The only magic which helps you fight templars. If your life is in line would you decline using the gun in your hand?

You know I think that would have been a great way for Hawke to try to justify using blood magic especially Aggressive Mage Hawke. A simple line of them saying "Do you know a better weapon to use when every corner you have to watch for templars?" would have fit if questioned by the Inquisitor.

 

My main hawke was a blood mage who used his own blood or of those willing(his companions) to boost his magic power. My hawke used to headcanon blood magic as a tool that should be used responsibly. Especially being a apostate and whose father even used blood magic, my hawke viewed that any form of magic can be just as dangerous as a sword in the hand of a maniac or a tyrant and since he was not apart of the circle where they restrict certain magics he thought by avoiding the issue is more dangerous then teaching the right way to use it. If a circle mage has been through every thing they have and you tell them this is evil powerful magic of course they are going to rebel and use the magic you told them not to and now they cant control that power due to lack of training or teachings now they are mad with power. But if thought responsibly and showed how to not abuse it and how to properly defend yourself from it there would be less problems with blood mages. But then my hawke showed up in DA:I and threw that all out the window and hated blood magic despite using it for years.

[Saphiron123]

The problem with the mother is that it was necromancy, not blood magic.

Besides, Hawke being a apostate would make most sense being a blood mage. The only magic which helps you fight templars. If your life is in line would you decline using the gun in your hand?

Just played that exact quest, his apprentice and him discuss blood magic in the dialogue.

He's definitely a blood Mage, and fueling his spells that way.

[KaiserShep]

The problem with the mother is that it was necromancy, not blood magic.

Besides, Hawke being a apostate would make most sense being a blood mage. The only magic which helps you fight templars. If your life is in line would you decline using the gun in your hand?

Thing is, Hawke always sought to evade the Templars, not fight them. But my issues with a mage Hawke goes deeper than the spec, which is why I usually avoid it and prefer to have Bethany be the apostate. At least there you have a Hawke who is vehemently against blood magic no matter what, and she was trapped by blood magic as well.

[Ieldra]

People begged for their characters to return so the team tried to make it happen. As a result, the character no longer feels like ours. 

It's pretty much a damned if you do damned if you don't situation for Bioware here. Had they NOT had Hawke appear there would be fans yelling about that. 

it's quite possible to make a character return without giving them any strong ideological preferences. Even more to the point, it should be possible, if you're dead set to do it anyway, to make the character express their preferences without resorting to inane platitudes.

 

I also agree with Iadro: every mage who even remotely considers that they might need to fight a templar somewhen down the line is well-advised to learn some blood magic. Of course that's one of the Chantry's reasons to ban it, but our characters shouldn't be forced to buy their crap.

[Uccio]

Just played that exact quest, his apprentice and him discuss blood magic in the dialogue.

He's definitely a blood Mage, and fueling his spells that way.

 

Then it is necromancy powered with blood magic, but it still is necromancy. They are both different skill trees, or Inq can then be a blood mage.

 

Thing is, Hawke always sought to evade the Templars, not fight them. 

 

It only works when Hawke is able to evade them. Then it becomes a problem if he/she gets caught.

[Saphiron123]

Then it is necromancy powered with blood magic, but it still is necromancy. They are both different skill trees, or Inq can then be a blood mage.


It only works when Hawke is able to evade them. Then it becomes a problem if he/she gets caught.

Pretty significant difference between making a hacked up Frankenstein assembled from
corpses and a 30 second ghostly copy.

[Uccio]

Pretty significant difference between making a hacked up Frankenstein assembled from
corpses and a 30 second ghostly copy.

 

Well the necromancy spell option in game and in lore are probably light years apart. I would´t count DAI crappy spells as the sole necromancy spell range.