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[ThomasBlaine]

The solution is already discovered, long before the first game. Avernus clearly figured out not only how to evade the Calling, he also prolonged his life by centuries. He's a perfectly cooperative resource of the Ferelden Grey Wardens, and the Hero of Ferelden already had the option of drinking his blood potion when they met. What's there to discuss?

[AresKeith]

Avernus is dead by the time DAI starts, if not killed already in DAO

[caradoc2000]

Avernus prolonged his life, he did not evade the Calling - only the Maker* can do the latter.

 

* Bioware writing team

[Boost32]

Avernus is dead by the time DAI starts, if not killed already in DAO

He is dead? Where its mentioned?

[AresKeith]

He is dead? Where its mentioned?

 

He tells you back in DAO that he didn't have much time left, so I'm assuming by the time DAI starts he's dead by now 

[MisterJB]

1-It's temporary; he himself says his time is running out.

2-It involves macabre blood magic experiments on several Grey Wardens which makes it not something that can be applied to the whole Order.

3-There is no indication drinking the potion removed the Calling , if anything, it could have accelerated it because it brings greater control over the Taint within you.

[ThomasBlaine]

There is no way he did not impart everything he could about his methods before dying, including all of his notes. He had no reason not to, and anything else would have made his centuries of work completely futile. All his research was for the specific purpose of improving the Grey Warden physiology, and extending their lives for hundreds of years certainly counts as that. And he did in fact grow old over that span of time without ever succumbing to the Calling, so don't tell me he didn't evade it.

 

That Loghain is still in perfect fighting condition in his late sixties, and in fact seems younger, could imply that the method has already been applied to at least some of the Grey Wardens. It's not any kind of evidence, but it could mean something.

 

And as we see in the third game, methods involving "macabre blood magic"  is not a particularly hard sell to the Grey Wardens at large.

[AresKeith]

There is no way he did not impart everything he could about his methods before dying, including all of his notes. He had no reason not to, and anything else would have made his centuries of work completely futile. All his research was for the specific purpose of improving the Grey Warden physiology, and extending their lives for hundreds of years certainly counts as that. And he did in fact grow old over that span of time without ever succumbing to the Calling, so don't tell me he didn't evade it.

 

That Loghain is still in perfect fighting condition in his late sixties, and in fact seems younger, could imply that the method has already been applied to at least some of the Grey Wardens. It's not any kind of evidence, but it could mean something.

 

Are you really trying to use a graphic change from a new engine?

[TheJediSaint]

Are you really trying to use a graphic change from a new engine?

I plan on upgrading to new graphics engine when I hit 40.

[ThomasBlaine]

Are you really trying to use a graphic change from a new engine?

 

Like I said, it's not really evidence. It'd be a smart move, though, using the engine switch to disguise what would otherwise be a pretty obvious clue.

[Precursor Meta]

Didn't an Easter egg suggest that Mythal speaks the calling?

[ThomasBlaine]

Didn't an Easter egg suggest that Mythal speaks the calling?

 

What?

[Precursor Meta]

What?

Whoops! Finish the game first friend.

[AresKeith]

Like I said, it's not really evidence. It'd be a smart move, though, using the engine switch to disguise what would otherwise be a pretty obvious clue.

 

[ThomasBlaine]

Whoops! Finish the game first friend.

 

I finished it, just found the video you're referring to, holy crap that's creepy.

 

My point stands, though. Avernus defeated the Calling along with the natural human life expectancy, and he had no reason not to share how with the other Wardens.

[AresKeith]

I finished it, just found the video you're referring to, holy crap that's creepy.

 

My point stands, though. Avernus defeated the Calling along with the natural human life expectancy, and he had no reason not to share how with the other Wardens.

 

He was prolonging his life to look for a cure 

[ThomasBlaine]

 

From the developers' standpoint, I mean. Nobody would think to question it until the secret was openly revealed, at which point they could be all smug about having planted clues without anyone noticing except in hindsight.

[AresKeith]

From the developers' standpoint, I mean. Nobody would think to question it until the secret was openly revealed, at which point they could be all smug about having planted clues without anyone noticing except in hindsight.

 

I think you're giving them too much credit on Loghain looking like Willem Dafoe on the new engine lol 

[ThomasBlaine]

He was prolonging his life to look for a cure 

 

What makes the Calling "bad" is that it cuts the Grey Wardens' lives short. Quadrupling their lifespans way past the natural limit would make it irrelevant, except in how the individual warden would feel about his manner of dying at the point of his demise - taking place centuries later than if he had never become a Warden at all. And again, Avernus grew old over the course of his extended life, past the proportional 30 years he should have had after taking the Joining potion. He did defeat the Calling as it's normally understood, at least.

[ThomasBlaine]

I think you're giving them too much credit on Loghain looking like Willem Dafoe on the new engine lol 

Loghain's apparent youth being an indication was just a stray thought, and I played on the PS3. If he had a single line in his face, I couldn't see it.

[Icy Magebane]

What makes the Calling "bad" is that it cuts the Grey Wardens' lives short. Quadrupling their lifespans way past the natural limit would make it irrelevant, except in how the individual warden would feel about his manner of dying at the point of his demise - taking place centuries later than if he had never become a Warden at all. And again, Avernus grew old over the course of his extended life, past the proportional 30 years he should have had after taking the Joining potion. He did defeat the Calling as it's normally understood, at least.

This is actually a very good point... considering how much longer than normal his natural lifespan became, whatever Avernus came up with is already a better option than the cure the HoF is currently seeking.

[Phoe77]

We don't know what he did to extend his life aside from that it was blood magic, and we don't know if whatever methods he used are even applicable to non-mage wardens.  Besides, if the Hero of Ferelden does find some way to remove or completely avoid the Calling that doesn't require blood magic, then I imagine that would be preferable to Avernus' methods.  

[katerinafm]

He did it with blood magic, and I'm not entirely sure it had much to do with him being a Warden, or at least it didn't seem so from what he said. I would guess that depending on if Avernus was allowed to continue his research or not plays a part in how close the Warden is to finding the true cure.

[Icy Magebane]

Hm... if it's just standard blood magic that Avernus used, I guess it's not that big a deal since he's probably not the only one who knows how to do that.  It may be something similar to what Enchanter Sweeny alluded to in DAO's Mage origin when he said that magic that could fix his aging body wasn't anything he'd be interested in practicing.   And now that I think about it, I guess living twice as long as normal but still being plagued by nightmares and incessant whispering probably wouldn't be all that great...

[Ash Wind]

My warden drank the concoction offered before meeting Avernus... who knows. What ever he's done to extend his life remains unknown. My warden likes being with Morrigan and Kieran.... those are the reasons he seeks to defy death (yet again i.e. Dark Ritual).