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[Cody2Hottie]

Always picked Kaiden () Now I'm going as a Sentinel Paragon meaning....Kaiden kinda isn't worth having cause we're both Sentinel's D: so how good is romancing Ashley through the series? or should I stay bro's before hoes lol.

[GalacticWolf5]

Always picked Kaiden ( ) Now I'm going as a Sentinel Paragon meaning....Kaiden kinda isn't worth having cause we're both Sentinel's D: so how good is romancing Ashley through the series? or should I stay bro's before hoes lol.

 

(It's Kaidan btw)

 

I never rescued Ashley on Virmire. What I've seen of her through the Trilogy is not my taste. I don't like her very much. I don't like how she sees things and her character in general. IMO, Kaidan is a better character in every way. I will always save him, even when I don't romance him (which only happened once).

[KaiserShep]

I think Kaidan edges out Ashley in terms of content, regardless of romance. Of course, he always dies on Virmire for me now, because it just makes more sense for me to let him arm the bomb, and to let him get the job done to the bitter end.

[Cody2Hottie]

(It's Kaidan btw)

 

I never rescued Ashley on Virmire. What I've seen of her through the Trilogy is not my taste. I don't like her very much. I don't like how she sees things and her character in general. IMO, Kaidan is a better character in every way. I will always save him, even when I don't romance him (which only happened once).

Always somebody being bothered by what's obviously a typo >.>''

thank you for your input however.

[Bardox9]

The Ashley romance across the series can be more complicated than the others. I find it more interesting than the others. My preferred LI is still Liara though. That relationship just seems to fit better from an RP perspective through out the series. Plus Kaidan develops far better as a character than she does.

[SJNKD]

It's up to you to decide what you want to do, I'm an Ashley romance, i enjoyed it but she does have a bug in the third game which prevents one of her talents working properly but shes still a human tank to my vanguard.

[Cody2Hottie]

It's up to you to decide what you want to do, I'm an Ashley romance, i enjoyed it but she does have a bug in the third game which prevents one of her talents working properly but shes still a human tank to my vanguard.

god I hate that answer "do what you want to do." It adds nothing and helps no one

I'm considering on romancing her for the first time and see how she grows throughout the series , all I know from her is she hates aliens.

[Cody2Hottie]

The Ashley romance across the series can be more complicated than the others. I find it more interesting than the others. My preferred LI is still Liara though. That relationship just seems to fit better from an RP perspective through out the series. Plus Kaidan develops far better as a character than she does.

Kaidan develops better? so Ashley is kinda....bleh in terms of growing as a character in the series?

[GalacticWolf5]

Always somebody being bothered by what's obviously a typo >.>''

thank you for your input however.

 

Haha sorry, Kaidan is my favorite character and seeing people misspell his name is kind of annoying sometimes

 

Also, like other people have said, Kaidan actually grows as a character. Ashley doesn't, except for becoming friends with the alien squadmates on the Normandy even if she distrusts aliens very much.

[God]

Bros before hoes.

 

Kaidan reflects as a characters, looks back at Cerberus and questions what they were and how things turned out. He's more insightful and makes more sense as character and a Spectre to have around, and fits the DLC better. He actually grows and develops.

 

Ashley whines about Cerberus, complains about her family, and gets drunk rolling around the floor. That is literally it. She judges you and has a self-righteous and indignant attitude about everything. There is her opinion, and there's the wrong opinion. If you don't like her demeanor in ME1 and find her poorly written (as I did), she's only going to get worse as the series goes on.

[Larry-3]

I think Ashley has her moments. But I usually rescue Kaiden more because he has both tech and biotics, he is not as pessimistic, and he does not complain as much. Ashely has no tech or biotics, she is kind of judgmental, and pessimistic.

 

Also, as someone who does not talk a lot, the fact that Ashley does not say much does not bother me too much, but I hear other people complain about it.

 

I will save Ashley if I have entered in a romance with her, because between Mass Effect two and three, it looks like she drunk many gallons of milk. She looks really good in the third one. The sad thing is, by the time Mass Effect three happens -- when she returns -- I have usually moved on and am still mad at her. If I am not romancing Ashley, then there is around a 80 percent chance I will save Kaiden. He was in my squad in Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic and Star Wars: Republic Commando -- two games I put many hours into growing up. He always saved my guy so I feel I owe him.

[God]

Kaidan develops better? so Ashley is kinda....bleh in terms of growing as a character in the series?

 

She really has no growth as a character, for good or ill. One reason (out of many) that I despise her. She's a static character.

[Bardox9]

Kaidan develops better? so Ashley is kinda....bleh in terms of growing as a character in the series?

She is pretty blah on character development. The way you find her on Eden Prime is more or less how she ends up on Priority Earth. She does get a make over in ME3, but that's about it..

[Valmar]

I think Kaidan edges out Ashley in terms of content, regardless of romance. Of course, he always dies on Virmire for me now, because it just makes more sense for me to let him arm the bomb, and to let him get the job done to the bitter end.

 

Consider this: Ashley doesn't put value on alien lives. She herself compared aliens to dogs. Sacrificing an alien to save a human was put in the same terms of one sending a dog to distract a bear so the human can escape. This is the person you want to send leading a group of salarians? I say they deserved someone who actually thought of them as more than just dogs meant to protect her precious human meat. Kaidan is one such person.

 

How difficult can setting the bomb possibly be? The salarians just got done telling you it was a easy process, if I recall correctly. Ashley should be able to handle it. They also need someone to protect the bomb site. A task fitting to a soldier like Ashley. Kaidan was always more of a support role, imo.

 

Personally I always save the one with the salarians with the assumption that they have a squad of salarains to save aswell. I balance it out as one life vs multiple lives. Since Ashley with her racist and xenophobic views will never be the one I send to protect a bunch of aliens, I ultimately save Kaidan. Ashley's racism gets her killed in a nice twist of karma.

 

Getting back on topic though I'd advise sticking with Kaidan. Especially since you already like Kaidan and your driving motivation with Ashley is romance. That's a poor excuse to go with the character, imo.

[God]

Getting back on topic though I'd advise sticking with Kaidan. Especially since you already like Kaidan and your driving motivation with Ashley is romance. That's a poor excuse to go with the character, imo.

 

It's the only excuse really. And a bad one.

 

My Shepard regrets it. He threw away one of humanities most talented biotics, an experienced and capable officer and leader, and a stabilizing and insightful influence on the ship and its crew at the time.

 

All for a grunt that wasn't special, with distasteful opinions and no real skills that set her apart from a rank and file soldier, let alone a special operations crew, and one he actually was unsure of his feelings about. Just so he could have another notch under the belt and a physical release for the pressure.

[SJNKD]

god I hate that answer "do what you want to do." It adds nothing and helps no one

I'm considering on romancing her for the first time and see how she grows throughout the series , all I know from her is she hates aliens.

 

Its something I just do, my mates hate it as well. Romance her then, I decided to romance Kaidan just to see what his content was which was pretty awesome 

[Jorji Costava]

Consider this: Ashley doesn't put value on alien lives. She herself compared aliens to dogs. Sacrificing an alien to save a human was put in the same terms of one sending a dog to distract a bear so the human can escape. This is the person you want to send leading a group of salarians? I say they deserved someone who actually thought of them as more than just dogs meant to protect her precious human meat. Kaidan is one such person.

 

So this is actually a complete misreading of Ashley's dog analogy; it's actually humanity that's supposed to be playing the role of the dog. The point is that just as when given a choice between saving a human and saving a dog, most humans will choose to save the human, aliens will make the same choice: They will choose to preserve their own rather than humanity. The moral is simple enough: Every group acts in its own interests, often at the expense of others.

[Valmar]

So this is actually a complete misreading of Ashley's dog analogy; it's actually humanity that's supposed to be playing the role of the dog. The point is that just as when given a choice between saving a human and saving a dog, most humans will choose to save the human, aliens will make the same choice: They will choose to preserve their own rather than humanity. The moral is simple enough: Every group acts in its own interests, often at the expense of others.

 

Humanity is the dog. Humans will choose to save human instead of the dog. Paradoxical isn't it?

 

I understood the moral of her story. I just disagree with her mentality. Harshly.

[mybudgee]

s.

 

Ashley whines about Cerberus, complains about her family, and gets drunk rolling around the floor. That is literally it. She judges you and has a self-righteous and indignant attitude about everything. 

Sounds like my exes IRL

 

[KaiserShep]

Consider this: Ashley doesn't put value on alien lives. She herself compared aliens to dogs. Sacrificing an alien to save a human was put in the same terms of one sending a dog to distract a bear so the human can escape. This is the person you want to send leading a group of salarians? I say they deserved someone who actually thought of them as more than just dogs meant to protect her precious human meat. Kaidan is one such person.

 

How difficult can setting the bomb possibly be? The salarians just got done telling you it was a easy process, if I recall correctly. Ashley should be able to handle it. They also need someone to protect the bomb site. A task fitting to a soldier like Ashley. Kaidan was always more of a support role, imo.

 

Personally I always save the one with the salarians with the assumption that they have a squad of salarains to save aswell. I balance it out as one life vs multiple lives. Since Ashley with her racist and xenophobic views will never be the one I send to protect a bunch of aliens, I ultimately save Kaidan. Ashley's racism gets her killed in a nice twist of karma.

 

Getting back on topic though I'd advise sticking with Kaidan. Especially since you already like Kaidan and your driving motivation with Ashley is romance. That's a poor excuse to go with the character, imo.

 

I think people like to exaggerate Ashley's feelings about aliens. I never once got the impression that she placed zero value on the lives of aliens, only that humanity should not bank on the aliens' willingness to help humanity if it came down to choosing between our species and their own, and she's not wrong.

 

If it was determined that the reapers were only targeting human populations and nothing else, it's far more likely that the turians, salarians and asari would take a defensive position and reserve their own forces just in case, and watch while humanity gets snuffed out like a candle. After all, no one seemed to care that tens of thousands of humans were disappearing during the Collector conflict, despite humanity having a seat on the Council. It doesn't help that humanity has only been a member of the galactic community for a very short period of time, thus don't have a well-established relationship of support like the other three do. Heck, if the reapers decided that krogans just didn't need to exist anymore, and left everyone else alone, you can bet that everyone would just watch while they're put out of their misery.

 

I have absolutely no reason to believe that Ashley would not operate to the fullest of her ability, and no reason to believe that she'd purposely get any of Kirrahe's men killed or abandon them without just cause. As for the bomb, I care not one iota how simple Kirrahe says it is. If I were to choose someone to handle something technical, I would always choose the person I feel is superior, which is Kaidan.

Anyway, the bottom line for me is that if Ashley was the techie of the group instead of Kaidan, she would be dead, and it's really that simple.

[Valmar]

"If you're fighting a bear, and the only way for you to survive is to sic your dog on it and run, you'll do it. As much as you love your dog, it isn't human.  It's not racism. Not really." - Ashley

 

Whenever you have to defend your stance with "its not really racism" you probably should reevaluate some things. Her defense sounds very familiar to some of the 'defenses' and 'justifications' humans uses to validate their racist remarks. Saying "well, others feel the same way" doesn't really help the case any, imo.

 

I'm not saying Ashley is going to go on a huge anti-alien murdering rampage (though her attitude towards the Rachni queen could be viewed as such) but you don't have to be violent to be racist. She isn't space Hitler or anything. I don't think she'd wish any harm on aliens just because they're aliens. I just don't think she'd care about them.

 

 

"I can't tell the aliens from the animals." - Ashley Williams, not really racist.

 

I'm not going to trust the lives of aliens to someone who cant tell aliens from animals and compares sacrificing them to save yourself to be the same as sending your dog because "it isn't human". Not to mention how openly distrusting and suspicious she is of aliens.

[KaiserShep]

I'm not trusting the lives of the salarians to Ashley; I'm trusting that Ashley's team will make a good diversion, while killing a lot of geth and hostile krogan along the way. It was very probable that the entire team would die in the process anyway, so her beliefs about aliens doesn't matter one iota. The entire group is expendable, so I see no point in trusting their lives to anyone, since they only need to live long enough to see the mission through. The most I expect is for Ashley to follow orders and work to the fullest of her capacity. I have absolutely no reason to think she'd do any less in an extremely critical mission just because she has to cooperate with some aliens.

 

If I were choosing someone to run a multi-species social services office, then maybe I might care about that.

[Valmar]

Well that changes things. It'd be silly of me to expect someone who doesn't care about their lives to care any about Ashley's racism. Her racism being an issue only works with the assumption that the person you're talking to cares about those lives any in the first place.

[Vazgen]

Alien/animal comparison is a pretty sound observation. Hanar, for example. What would you think if you see one for the first time? 

And racism is a weird claim to make. We use the word racism to describe prejudice and discrimination against members of other race. But in the end we are all human. We should not apply the same criteria to alien species. 

With all that said, I think Kaidan is better developed in the series than Ashley. Ash gets quite a large change of character in ME3 and many people (myself included) are not fond of that change. Kaidan comes off as a generally more trustworthy and accepting person. 

My first trilogy playthrough was with Ashley romance. With all the DLC content for all games... I don't think it's worth it.

[God]

So this is actually a complete misreading of Ashley's dog analogy; it's actually humanity that's supposed to be playing the role of the dog. The point is that just as when given a choice between saving a human and saving a dog, most humans will choose to save the human, aliens will make the same choice: They will choose to preserve their own rather than humanity. The moral is simple enough: Every group acts in its own interests, often at the expense of others.

 

Political realist philosophy at it's finest.

 

Boy do I dislike it.