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Why can't we have a romance option like Isabella for straight male gamers?


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Still not as irritating as how many people spell Leliana's name incorrectly. Lelliana. Lelianna. Lilliana. Leelyanna. (I kid you not, I've actually seen the last one.)

 

EVEN THE OFFICIAL SOUNDTRACK DOES IT GAH

 

Yeah, I often see:

 

Isabela = Isabella

Leliana =  Lelliana

Merrill = Merril

 

Hmmm...it's like, Isabela and Leliana steal poor Merrill's 'L'...dirty thieving rogues.


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Auto-correct/spell check

 

Turning off auto-correct is the best thing that ever happened to me, tbh. 



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People use auto-correct?  :huh:

 

Don't they watch Ellen!? :o



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Then weird how this bit of banter happens with Bethany even if you never flirt with her as a female Hawke.  You don't have to play a female Hawke to hear this:

 

Bethany: So you've... been with women. In bed?
Isabela: I know. Shocking, isn't it?
Isabela: You see, sweetness, men are only good for one thing. Women are good for six.
Bethany: Six? Which six?
Hawke: Isabela!
Isabela: (Laughs)
 
And this:
 
Bethany: I guess you've been with a lot of men.
Isabela: Men. Women. Elves. A dwarf in drag once, but I don't recommend that.
Bethany: Oh.
Isabela: Aw... you're blushing! Why? How many lovers have you had?
Bethany: I-I never—
Isabela: You're a virgin? Hawke, you've been holding out on the poor girl! Get her a night at the Blooming Rose. On me!
Bethany: That's, um, very generous.
Isabela: I'm a giver.
 
 
Isabela's portrayal throughout the game is bisexual, even outside of the romances.  

I should have said that outside of having Bethany in the party (which is entirely coincidental), nothing about her gives off the impression that she is bi. Instead she brags about her past with men, and from what I recall, she hits on DudeHawke in a few instances but never does with Lady Hawke.

 

Basically, if you play as a male Hawke and don't have Bethany in your party (e.g. she died in the prologue), there's little to no reason to think that Izzy is open to both genders, given that both opportunities where you can see it (i.e. playing as Lady Hawke and Bethany in the party) aren't active in your playthrough.

 

I'm starting to think maybe we didn't play the same game. I mean going by that logic... Merrill, was totally a lesbian, and Anders was 100% straight... We'll just ignore Karl... Since he never blatantly states they were lovers. Fenris must also be straight since he never talks about his past lovers. 

Just a natural consequence of the all-bi romances system, IMO. In most cases, the game never indicates a character's sexual orientation, and it's up to the player's own interpretation to decide. We know this was entirely intentional as David Gaider himself stated he didn't want us to 'slap a label' on these characters. And I think it shows, in hindsight.



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Sad I missed the Skyrim follower conversation. Farkas is pretty much the only reason I play that game anymore. The marriages in Skyrim are basically just money and food vending machines, but I love him anyway.

 

And I always spell Isabela (she's easy since Isabela is the Spanish spelling and Isabella is Italian) and Leliana correctly, but I do mess up Merrill from time to time. There's something about two double constants in one word that my brain refuses to accept as valid.


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I should have said that outside of having Bethany in the party (which is entirely coincidental), nothing about her gives off the impression that she is straight. Instead she brags about her past with men, and from what I recall, she hits on DudeHawke in a few instances but never does with Lady Hawke.

 

Basically, if you play as a male Hawke and don't have Bethany in your party (e.g. she died in the prologue), there's little to no reason to think that Izzy is open to both genders, given that both opportunities where you can see it (i.e. playing as Lady Hawke and Bethany in the party) aren't active in your playthrough.

 

Just a natural consequence of the all-bi romances system, IMO. In most cases, the game never indicates a character's sexual orientation, and it's up to the player's own interpretation to decide. We know this was entirely intentional as David Gaider himself stated he didn't want us to 'slap a label' on these characters. And I think it shows, in hindsight.

And that argument would work for any other companion in DA2. However Isabela has always been openly bisexual. Hell, even Anders was obviously flexible and the very least.

 

The one thing I'll give BW prior to DA:I... Actual bisexual characters have always been pretty openly bisexual... That is if you, ya know, take the time to get to know them.

 

Last I checked people don't go around wearing a sign stating their sexuality in real life. I don't walk up to new people and proceed to talk about my past partners. The same can be said for the companions. 

 

The point is, it's not about an all bi system. It's that while some characters can go either way, others are very much solidly bisexual. Isabela, Leliana, and Zevran, just to name a few.


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The point is, it's not about an all bi system. It's that while some characters can go either way, others are very much solidly bisexual. Isabela, Leliana, and Zevran, just to name a few.

Not disagreeing with that because it's true, and I definitely agree on Leliana and Zevran, as in both their cases it is acknowledged that they are open to both genders, without associating the acknowledgement to specific pre-conditions that must first be met. It happens either way.

 

In Isabela's case, however, that's not quite how it is and as such I still don't think it was quite as obvious, given that the only instances where she openly expresses an interest in women are tied to very specific playthrough configurations. To the best of my recollection, she never once hit on my own Rose Hawke unless the latter approached her first. This wasn't the case with my male Hawke. Same goes for the situation with Bethany; if Beth is dead in your playthrough or ignored, you won't hear that banter. But you will still hear her brag about her past with men regardless.

 

So with that in mind, I didn't leave DA2 with the impression that Izzy was in fact bisexual. That's not to say I think she is straight; simply that it is ambiguous and all over the place to me, as is the case with most DA2 companions.



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Not disagreeing with that because it's true, and I definitely agree on Leliana and Zevran, as in both their cases it is acknowledged that they are open to both genders, without associating the acknowledgement to specific pre-conditions that must first be met. It happens either way.

 

In Isabela's case, however, that's not quite how it is and as such I still don't think it was quite as obvious, given that the only instances where she openly expresses an interest in women are tied to very specific playthrough configurations. To the best of my recollection, she never once hit on my own Rose Hawke unless the latter approached her first. This wasn't the case with my male Hawke. Same goes for the situation with Bethany; if Beth is dead in your playthrough or ignored, you won't hear that banter. But you will still hear her brag about her past with men regardless.

 

So with that in mind, I didn't leave DA2 with the impression that Izzy was in fact bisexual. That's not to say I think she is straight; simply that it is ambiguous and all over the place to me, as is the case with most DA2 companions.

Except that Isabela openly flirts with a Female Hawke when they 1st meet. She also pretty much openly propositions Hawke right after the defeat Hayder. It's pretty straight forward. I'm not sure how much more obvious you need her to be. Then again, with many people, unless you flat out state, I am a woman who also sleeps with women, they just assume you are really good friends.


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Dorian and Isabella are highly attractive.

So this is just another "Cass and Josie are ugly" thread? I was hoping for an interesting reason for the two to be comparable, especially since neither Dorian or Isabela is aesthetically pleasing to me. Cassandra and Josephine are much better looking. :(



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I love it how people spend ungodly amounts of time just looking for posts they can dig out the whole "Oh yeah, well you don't speak for everyone!" spiel. It's totally unnecessary.
 


You don't have to go looking for them. Posts where someone claims to speak for all fans happen several times a day. Posts where someone claims to speak for everyone in the world happen ..... daily, maybe?

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So this is just another "Cass and Josie are ugly" thread? I was hoping for an interesting reason for the two to be comparable, especially since neither Dorian or Isabela is aesthetically pleasing to me. Cassandra and Josephine are much better looking. :(

 

Yep just another 'I find the females for straight guys ugly and want a hot LI added to make up for it' thread.

 

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Except that Isabela openly flirts with a Female Hawke when they 1st meet. She also pretty much openly propositions Hawke right after the defeat Hayder. It's pretty straight forward. I'm not sure how much more obvious you need her to be. Then again, with many people, unless you flat out state, I am a woman who also sleeps with women, they just assume you are really good friends.

I don't remember her flirting with my Lady Hawke on their first meeting. I do remember the Hayder bit, and you're right it does happen regardless of Hawke's gender. I didn't think it was much to go by, though. Honestly, it just looked like friendly teasing to me, which is something Izzy seems to like to do all the time even with her own enemies (except for the 'friendly' bit in the latter case :P).



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Yep just another 'I find the females for straight guys ugly and want a hot LI added to make up for it' thread.

 

Would you like a drink?

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Sure, but I brought my own. 

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Putting aside subjective and inherently flawed standards of physical beauty...

 

The OP does touch on a thought that I had.

 

Why are Inquisition's LI offerings so starkly unbalanced across gender preferences? Past games didn't have a problem with keeping a balance with the available love interests, so why was this outright abandoned for Inquisition?

 

The only thing that I can think of is that this was intentionally done for political reasons (sticking it to entitled straight male players (Gaider's comments reinforce this idea even more)) and as a response to the unbalanced treatment of Love Interests in Mass Effect 3 (Namely that Female Shepard was screwed with Male Shepard basically having his own Harem by comparison).

 

But for what purpose? There really isn't any reason to abandon the LI balance that's been maintained through the series unless the developers intentionally wanted to inconvenience the players because...they could.

 

I'd put in the same category as asking why the developers wanted to introduce race-gates to romance arcs when there's no benefit that comes out of it that you don't already have. It was put in because the developers wanted to put it in.

 

To directly answer the OP, another bisexual option in the form of a female character similar to Isabella would be good. And this is from someone who likes all of the LI's despite confusion and mistrust about the developers intentions and mindsets when determining Love Interest Availability.



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I don't remember her flirting with my Lady Hawke on their first meeting. I do remember the Hayder bit, and you're right it does happen regardless of Hawke's gender. I didn't think it was much to go by, though. Honestly, it just looked like friendly teasing to me, which is something Izzy seems to like to do all the time even with her own enemies (except for the 'friendly' bit in the latter case :P).

 

I don't even want to touch this, but... On your male playthough, I can almost guarantee you saw it as flirting. But since it is two women, we'll just assume it was friendly teasing. Kinda makes me wonder how some people flirt in real life as we don't have little heart icons to go on.

 

Anyway. I'm done. You are convinced that Isabela is straight unless you hit on her as a female and then, wham she is magically bisexual. But then, really, I wouldn't expect anything else. Everyone is straight until proven otherwise. That's how it goes, right?


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Can it be a golem? I wouldn't mind having a pile of magical, talking rock as a LI.



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I don't even want to touch this, but... On your male playthough, I can almost guarantee you saw it as flirting. But since it is two women, we'll just assume it was friendly teasing. Kinda makes me wonder how some people flirt in real life as we don't have little heart icons to go on.

First time I played through that part was with a female Hawke and my impression was the same when I replayed it with a male Hawke. It wasn't about Hawke for me. It was about Isabela. It's instilled in her personality to tease people. It's how she rolls with everyone, friend or foe, man or woman.
 

Anyway. I'm done. You are convinced that Isabela is straight unless you hit on her as a female and then, wham she is magically bisexual. But then, really, I wouldn't expect anything else. Everyone is straight until proven otherwise. That's how it goes, right?

I'm convinced that her sexuality is, as of yet, ambiguous. I only thought her portrayal was generally straight for the reasons already explained, but that's not the same as saying I think she's straight. Already stated as much earlier.

 

I've seen people call her bi all the time before but I never really shared the impression. I always thought it was ambiguous in the grand scheme of things.



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I'm convinced that her sexuality is, as of yet, ambiguous. I only thought her portrayal was generally straight for the reasons already explained, but that's not the same as saying I think she's straight. Already said as much earlier.

This is starting to come across as a little bit crazy. Izzy's been canonically bi since DA:O, after all.
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Bioware confirmed at GaymerX last year that Anders, Fenris, Isabela, and Merrill are bisexual. 



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First time I played through that part was with a female Hawke and my impression was the same when I replayed it with a male Hawke. It wasn't about Hawke for me. It was about Isabela. It's instilled in her personality to tease people. It's how she rolls with everyone, friend or foe, man or woman.
 

I'm convinced that her sexuality is, as of yet, ambiguous. I only thought her portrayal was generally straight for the reasons already explained, but that's not the same as saying I think she's straight. Already stated as much earlier.

 

I've seen people call her bi all the time before but I never really shared the impression. I always thought it was ambiguous in the grand scheme of things.

 

Except that, you really do think she is straight. Sugar coat it all you'd like, it is what it is. You will see what you want to see. Doesn't matter if I or anyone else comes up with 100 examples, you will always see her as "ambiguous" at best. 


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There is no way to be sure of anyone sexuality unless they come out and tell you themselves or you keep track of all theirs lovers (which would be well .....bizarre and creepy)



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I miss characters being sexually ambiguous. That was nice. 



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Putting aside subjective and inherently flawed standards of physical beauty...

 

The OP does touch on a thought that I had.

 

Why are Inquisition's LI offerings so starkly unbalanced across gender preferences? Past games didn't have a problem with keeping a balance with the available love interests, so why was this outright abandoned for Inquisition?

 

Umm DAI is mostly balanced except straight females getting 2 more options



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Putting aside subjective and inherently flawed standards of physical beauty...

 

The OP does touch on a thought that I had.

 

Why are Inquisition's LI offerings so starkly unbalanced across gender preferences? Past games didn't have a problem with keeping a balance with the available love interests, so why was this outright abandoned for Inquisition?

 

-snip-

 

Well hold on! They didn't plan on Solas being a romance choice actually. The reason why they did in the end was because it offered a good STORY perspective for elven females. The opportunity arose because of the twist behind his character. Otherwise i'd say it's fair all around. 2 women for straight guys.. 2 men for guys.. well, 4 guys... I mean I can completely see why you'd raise your brow at it. but I would like to attribute it to story purposes more than movement reasons.. Would like to.