Well, let's be honest, Mass Effect was never as forward thinking about female representation as Dragon Age has been. Other than Tali, Kasumi, and Chakwas, every major female character in the series is designed to be eye candy.
Even Tali got bustier and curvier in between games and Chakwas looked like she had work done. A tummy tuck and a boob lift, to be honest. I agree about Kasumi though.
Even Tali got bustier and curvier in between games and Chakwas looked like she had work done. A tummy tuck and a boob lift, to be honest. I agree about Kasumi though.
And she only got spared because she was barely in ME3 and her whole story line was about being a (recent) widow. And you're right, Tali did get more "sexy" as time went on. If she didn't have to be completely clothed for the sake of not dying, I'm sure she would have had a boob window in ME3.
And she only got spared because she was barely in ME3 and her whole story line was about being a (recent) widow.
Haha, good chance of it. 
Well, let's be honest, Mass Effect was never as forward thinking about female representation as Dragon Age has been. Other than Tali, Kasumi, and Chakwas, every major female character in the series is designed to be eye candy.
But.. Tali still managed to be eye-candy to a wild fanbase, even from behind a seemingly irremovable mask. 
Even Tali got bustier and curvier in between games and Chakwas looked like she had work done. A tummy tuck and a boob lift, to be honest. I agree about Kasumi though.
Well, Tali makes sense since she was still an adolescent in the first game and a full adult in the others. It's not like they could have made her face look older or anything for the same effect.
But.. Tali still managed to be eye-candy to a wild fanbase, even from behind a seemingly irremovable mask.
Which is all the more reason why not every woman needs to have boob windows and butt cams in order to titillate straight guys. Turns out they'll like someone for being who they are, just like real people. 
Well, Tali makes sense since she was still an adolescent in the first game and a full adult in the others. It's not like they could have made her face look older or anything for the same effect.
Okay, headcanon accepted. That's a good point. I knew people that finished blossoming at about the age of 22, so it's not terribly uncommon.
Which is all the more reason why not every woman needs to have boob windows and butt cams in order to titillate straight guys. Turns out they'll like someone for being who they are, just like real people.
To be fair, and I pointed this out in another thread recently, it isn't solely heterosexual men who are titillated by such things. It is also titillation for bisexual men, bisexual women, homosexual women, pansexual me, pansexual women, etc.
Turns out they'll like someone for being who they are, just like real people.
Agreed. I hope they do more characters like this.
Okay, headcanon accepted. That's a good point. I knew people that finished blossoming at about the age of 22, so it's not terribly uncommon.
Glad you like it. 
And yeah, for all we know it could be quite common for Quarians to finish blossoming at that age. We know that she wasn't the Quarian equivalent of adult yet because she was doing her Pilgrimage, which she says is the "right of passage into adulthood". That isn't something that is usually delayed, especially for children of important people in those societies, in this case the daughter of a member of the Admiralty Board.
I wish this was true......
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(For the record, I did not draw these images, they just look strikingly similar to how I envisioned Cassandra Pentaghast).
Those facial proportions look correct. If you want to make her look like she's 40 then you add eye wrinkle, forehead wrinkle, puffy eyes and then sag the skin around the jaw line.
If the DAITools guy figures out how to get facial imports in. I will give the gift of Cassandra Pentaghast to all the Dragon Age fans. I will give you the REAL Cassandra Pentaghast, not the one that's in game now. It would get at least 250,000 downloads. I have Cassandra's face open in 3D Studio max right now and I got photoshop/zbrush ready to go with a whole bunch of various skin textures, brows, tool, etc.
I'll take you up on that challenge. I'll make you fall in love with my real version of Cassandra Pentaghast.
It's not like that character looks bad, but she looks bit JRPGish and not something that would fit to world of Dragon Age. I don't think she captures very well Cass' personality either.
Tali was a non-human. It made no sense at all to give her features specifically to look attractive to human males in the first place. These thing are about the most species-specific in biology, not even the closest relative species feature cross-species attraction, and there is a compelling reason why. This is complete nonsense.Well, Tali makes sense since she was still an adolescent in the first game and a full adult in the others. It's not like they could have made her face look older or anything for the same effect.
It's not like that character looks bad, but she looks bit JRPGish and not something that would fit to world of Dragon Age. I don't think she captures very well Cass' personality either.
Needs moar bear punching.
Tali was a non-human. It made no sense at all to give her features specifically to look attractive to human males in the first place. These thing are about the most species-specific in biology, not even the closest relative species feature cross-species attraction. This is complete nonsense.
People don't care, I get that, but things like this are why I can't take ME seriously as SF.
Even more so when you compare how human-like the female alien LIs look compared to how the male alien LIs look.
Well, let's be honest, Mass Effect was never as forward thinking about female representation as Dragon Age has been. Other than Tali, Kasumi, and Chakwas, every major female character in the series is designed to be eye candy.
I think writers did pretty good with female characters in ME, but graphic designers didn't ^^;
I think writers did pretty good with female characters in ME, but graphic designers didn't ^^;
Hmm, well said. Pretend I have likes to give.
Indeed. I once presented a somewhat alien version of what sex with Tali might be like, just to illustrate that she's non-human. To say that people didn't like it would be an epic understatement.Even more so when you compare how human-like the female alien LIs look compared to how the male alien LIs look.
Tali was a non-human. It made no sense at all to give her features specifically to look attractive to human males in the first place. These thing are about the most species-specific in biology, not even the closest relative species feature cross-species attraction, and there is a compelling reason why. This is complete nonsense.
People don't care, I get that, but things like this are why I can't take ME seriously as SF.
I disagree. There are predicted to be billions of planets in our galaxy that can sustain life. It is only logical that some lifeforms would follow similar evolutionary paths and end up with similar, effective forms thus look like other species. I would be more surprised if there wasn't a human-like species than if there was.
And this is just going by evolution and not counting possibilities like manipulating other species growth(which is canon in the ME universe with the Protheans) or being created by a deity.
Even more so when you compare how human-like the female alien LIs look compared to how the male alien LIs look.
Thane looked pretty human-like, as much as Liara does in my opinion, and the only other male alien LI was Garrus.
Thane looked pretty human-like, as much as Liara does in my opinion, and the only other male alien LI was Garrus.
I'm not sure about your assessment of Thane. He looked very alien to me. If you mean he was humanoid, then I might agree. But I don't think he's nearly as human-like as Liara like you're suggesting.
I think writers did pretty good with female characters in ME, but graphic designers didn't ^^;
True, I love the female characters in ME, just not the designs and how those designs were utilized. None of the female characters were there to only be eye candy, which is more than most games can say, but they were definitely still it.
And Thane is more humanoid than Garrus, but he's still not close to Liara. Liara is just a blue human with tentacle cartilage whatevers. Thane is green, has scales, semi-webbed fingers, frills on his head, and those giant, double-lidded reptile eyes.
I'm not sure about your assessment of Thane. He looked very alien to me. If you man he was humanoid, then I might agree. But I don't think he's nearly as human-like as Liara like you're suggesting.
That's fine. Not saying people have to agree. It's just my personal observation and opinion.
And Thane is more humanoid than Garrus, but he's still not close to Liara. Liara is just a blue human with tentacle cartilage whatevers. Thane is green, has scales, semi-webbed fingers, frills on his head, and those giant, double-lidded reptile eyes.
Liara is also scaled, or at least is in Mass Effect 3.
That's fine. Not saying people have to agree. It's just my personal observation and opinion.
Liara is also scaled, or at least is in Mass Effect 3.
It looks like she has them on her tentacles, but everything else looks like skin. (Unless there's some WoG I'm missing?) Thane is scaly all over.
This is probably not the place to rehash this in detail, but in short: If you talk about general body shape - walking upright on two legs, sensory equipment at the top and near the brain etc.. - I'll agree with you that assuming it also exists somewhere else is not all that far-fetched. However, attraction triggers are very, very specific. Just consider how little it takes to move a human face into the Uncanny Valley. I maintain that the existence of a species like the asari or the quarians is silly unless you assume these species are rather closely related to humans, and with comparably recent separation.I disagree. There are predicted to be billions of planets in our galaxy that can sustain life. It is only logical that some lifeforms would follow similar evolutionary paths and end up with similar, effective forms thus look like other species. I would be more surprised if there wasn't a human-like species than if there was.
This is probably not the place to rehash this in detail, but in short: If you talk about general body shape - walking upright on two legs, sensory equipment at the top and near the brain etc.. - I'll agree with you that assuming it also exists somewhere else is not all that far-fetched. However, attraction triggers are very, very specific. Just consider how little it takes to move a human face into the Uncanny Valley. I maintain that the existence of a species like the asari or the quarians is silly unless you assume these species are rather closely related to humans, and with comparably recent separation.
Topic starts as a sexist fetish rant, later becomes an analysis of attraction triggers in alien species
Topic starts as a sexist fetish rant, later becomes an analysis of attraction triggers in alien species
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It looks like she has them on her tentacles, but everything else looks like skin. (Unless there's some WoG I'm missing?) Thane is scaly all over.
The best example is her sex scene, but for obvious reasons can't post images from that here.
This is probably not the place to rehash this in detail, but in short: If you talk about general body shape - walking upright on two legs, sensory equipment at the top and near the brain etc.. - I'll agree with you that assuming it also exists somewhere else is not all that far-fetched. However, attraction triggers are very, very specific. Just consider how little it takes to move a human face into the Uncanny Valley. I maintain that the existence of a species like the asari or the quarians is silly unless you assume these species are rather closely related to humans, and with comparably recent separation.
Well, personally I'm religious so there is my answer to that question. Which ironically is the closest to the correct answer since the Asari, Humans, and Quarians in Mass Effect were all made by the same creators in a meta sense and were tampered with by the Protheans in an in-lore sense.
But yeah, this isn't the thread for the discussion of alien lifeforms and how similar and/or different they would be to humanity.
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