Doesn't the banter imply that Cass has plenty of hair... in plenty of places?
Sera says something about Blackwall being a "broody beard" and Cassandra is too. When told that Cassandra doesn't have a beard, Sera pipes off "Oh she does...in places." Cass will react if she's in the party.
About this other thread you started, OP...
http://forum.bioware...ake-me-shallow/
Have you considered that some of the backlash you're getting about this isn't because you value physical aesthetics, but because people don't like you imposing your personal aesthetic taste upon theirs?
About this other thread you started, OP...
http://forum.bioware...ake-me-shallow/
Have you considered that some of the backlash you're getting about this isn't because you value physical aesthetics, but because people don't like you imposing your personal aesthetic taste upon theirs?
I know that's my only issue with his threads and posts. It isn't that he wants someone that looks more like Miranda or Isabela or Leliana. It's his insistence that his opinion is fact and everyone is wrong on an objective level for disagreeing with him. If he mellowed out on that front, I'd have no problem with his requests.
If anything, DanteYoda has been an example of being pretty cool about it. He doesn't find Cass or Josie attractive, but he isn't insisting that his opinion is tried and true fact. Nor has he been thread spamming everywhere. I respect that.
Doesn't the banter imply that Cass has plenty of hair... in plenty of places?
I´m down with that.
I know that's my only issue with his threads and posts. It isn't that he wants someone that looks more like Miranda or Isabela or Leliana. It's his insistence that his opinion is fact and everyone is wrong on an objective level for disagreeing with him. If he mellowed out on that front, I'd have no problem with his requests.
Absolutely. His request isn't even solitary, and I can acknowledge that.
But it seems like this is what makes some people suggest, very reasonably, that maybe they should do away with the LI element to the story entirely. Treating whether or not the romance options suit your personal taste like it's an essential criteria for whether or not you enjoy the game is a really narrow and short-sighted way to approach the experience. If I did that I'd be ranting about some element of every past LI option Bioware has ever included.
Also, like you pointed out, there have always been complaints about the options, but this gets treated like this is a new thing. Is it nostalgia goggles?
Absolutely. His request isn't even solitary, and I can acknowledge that.
But it seems like this is what makes some people suggest, very reasonably, that maybe they should do away with the LI element to the story entirely. Treating whether or not the romance options suit your personal taste like it's an essential criteria for whether or not you enjoy the game is a really narrow and short-sighted way to approach the experience. If I did that I'd be ranting about some element of every past LI option Bioware has ever included.
Also, like you pointed out, there have always been complaints about the options, but this gets treated like this is a new thing. Is it nostalgia goggles?
I've stated several times that, if BioWare did a new IP, I wouldn't care if it had romances or not. I would highly prefer that they didn't take it out of the existing franchises, like Mass Effect and of course DA. However, a brand new game series not having the romances wouldn't bother me. Not a very popular opinion, but there it is.
All I know is that the complaints really ramped up about the time that the DA team announced that straight female characters get the most romance options (if you're elf or human. Qunari and dwarf have two like everyone else.) Make of that what you will.
I've stated several that, if BioWare did a new IP, I wouldn't care if it had romances or not. I would highly prefer that they didn't take it out of the existing franchises, like Mass Effect and of course DA. However, a brand new game series not having the romances wouldn't bother me. Not a very popular opinion, but there it is.
All I know is that the complaints really ramped up about the time that the DA team announced that straight female characters get the most romance options (if you're elf or human. Qunari and dwarf have two like everyone else.) Make of that what you will.
Please keep in mind that romance options presented in Dragon Age Origins & Dragon Age 2 were perfect for me. Inquisition is the first Dragon Age game where I had problems with the LI's.
For Dragon Age 4 it would be vital to have one female LI that is extremely attractive to the highest degree, the very definition of physical beauty and perfection, then make her romance-able by male or female. Then make the game moddable so people can fine tune her appearance in regards to skin tone, hair, etc. There is a reason Skyrim sold 20 million copies, Bioware still hasn't learned from their competition sadly. We need to be able to mod DAI. I repeat, we need to be able to mod DAI. I wouldn't even be on this forum if we could mod the game properly. I'd have already made Cassandra, Josephine & Sera into gorgeous super models and I'd be loving every second of Inquisition instead of wasting time on this forum.
Please keep in mind that romance options presented in Dragon Age Origins & Dragon Age 2 were perfect for me. Inquisition is the first Dragon Age game where I had problems with the LI's.
For Dragon Age 4 it would be vital to have one female LI that is extremely attractive to the highest degree, the very definition of physical beauty and perfection, then make her romance-able by male or female. Then make the game moddable so people can fine tune her appearance in regards to skin tone, hair, etc. There is a reason Skyrim sold 20 million copies, Bioware still hasn't learned from their competition sadly. We need to be able to mod DAI. I repeat, we need to be able to mod DAI.
So you want Bioware to make attractive female for you in DA4. There is no universally attractive character so only thing you can do is hope to get what you like, like everyone else hopes. Or then you can realise that you don't have to be attracted someone to get still romance them in the video game and still have great time cause roleplaying.
Mods would be nice though I'm not into companions mods that much. I think skin tone mods shouldn't be there either cause they are easily racist unless it's about correcting shadows or other detailed stuff.
Please keep in mind that romance options presented in Dragon Age Origins & Dragon Age 2 were perfect for me. Inquisition is the first Dragon Age game where I had problems with the LI's.
For Dragon Age 4 it would be vital to have one female LI that is extremely attractive to the highest degree, the very definition of physical beauty and perfection, then make her romance-able by male or female. Then make the game moddable so people can fine tune her appearance in regards to skin tone, hair, etc. There is a reason Skyrim sold 20 million copies, Bioware still hasn't learned from their competition sadly. We need to be able to mod DAI. I repeat, we need to be able to mod DAI. I wouldn't even be on this forum if we could mod the game properly. I'd have already made Cassandra, Josephine & Sera into gorgeous super models and I'd be loving every second of Inquisition instead of wasting time on this forum.
First off, Skyrim and Dragon age are too completely different style of games. The constant comparisons between the two is getting ridiculous
For Dragon Age 4 it would be vital to have one female LI that is extremely attractive to the highest degree, the very definition of physical beauty and perfection, then make her romance-able by male or female. Then make the game moddable so people can fine tune her appearance in regards to skin tone, hair, etc.
Please, think about what you're saying. You're asking BioWare to create a female character for the sake of romance, so she can be modded to players tastes. 
By the way, a mod toolset makes no difference here. DA2 didn't have one, but the modders found a way. There is mods out right now for DA:I. If you feel so strongly about this, take a page from the current modding community and find a way. They can, you can.
It's not BioWare's responsibility to give you a LI that's essentially a dress up doll for the player to have virtual sex with. Talk about sentences I didn't think I'd type out this morning...
That's it. No more BSN until I've had at least two cups of coffee.
Please, think about what you're saying. You're asking BioWare to create a female character for the sake of romance, so she can be modded to players tastes.
By the way, a mod toolset makes no difference here. DA2 didn't have one, but the modders found a way. There is mods out right now for DA:I. If you feel so strongly about this, take a page from the current modding community and find a way. They can, you can.
It's not BioWare's responsibility to give you a LI that's essentially a dress up doll for the player to have virtual sex with. Talk about sentences I didn't think I'd type out this morning...
That's it. No more BSN until I've had at least two cups of coffee.
He makes me miss David of all people
He makes me miss David of all people
Oh, I almost certain David is still around in some fashion. And if it's the person I suspect it is, even he's been less crazy than this.
Oh, I almost certain David is still around in some fashion. And if it's the person I suspect it is, even he's been less crazy than this.
Nah, that wasn't him
David is very predictable in his posting style
First off, Skyrim and Dragon age are too completely different style of games. The constant comparisons between the two is getting ridiculous
Are they really?
As far as games go they're pretty similar. They're both fantasy rpgs set in an open world environment with a heavy emphasis on player interaction with said environment.
I agree that saying Skyrim sold more because x is complete conjecture because obviously I doubt he has the market research or industry experience to say definitively one way or the other.
But to claim that they're completely different styles of games? That's also bs.
Are they really?
As far as games go they're pretty similar. They're both fantasy rpgs set in an open world environment with a heavy emphasis on player interaction with said environment.
I agree that saying Skyrim sold more because x is complete conjecture because obviously I doubt he has the market research or industry experience to say definitively one way or the other.
But to claim that they're completely different styles of games? That's also bs.
No it isn't, Dragon Age is a story-driven rpg game. Skyrim is pretty much a build an own adventure rpg
First off, Skyrim and Dragon age are too completely different style of games. The constant comparisons between the two is getting ridiculous
No it is absolutely not. As much as I agree that they are OBVIOUSLY two completely different games it is completely right to compare them.
Why?
Developers ASKED for it.
They said they were going to check Skyrim AGRESSIVELY to make Inquisition.
They did. The comparisons are fair. They are needed. Devs brought them to the table.
We are not comparing quality discarding the games differentes, we are comparing because Bioware made the stupid choice of trying to "absorb" Skyrim features that fit well in Skyrim but are awful in Dragon Age. Dumboware say stupid things, fans have the right to comment on their stupidity.
No it isn't, Dragon Age is a story-driven rpg game. Skyrim is pretty much a build an own adventure rpg
That distinction doesn't even make sense. In both games you build your story. In Skyrim you build your own legend of being the dragonborn through decisions and choices you make in the game. In Inquisition you build your legend of being the inquisitor through decisions and choices you make in the game.
So glad I don't have a horse in this race. I don't even own Skyrim.
Probably subjective again but their personalities aren't what i'd call amazing either, they are pretty droll and flat to me, again more so Cass.
I liked her hardass badass attitude. Was completely turned off by the shy and innocent trope they gave her.
He makes me miss David of all people
Are you talking about heroic David?
But to claim that they're completely different styles of games? That's also bs.
I don't think so. Just because they both have fantasy elements doesn't mean they're the same.
Characters in Skyrim are barely developed, and they make literally no difference to the story. In Dragon Age, characters are a huge emphasis. The gameplay is completely different, the art style is completely different, the lore is completely different.
I like both games. I see very little in common between them.
I would compare Dragon Age more closely to Dragon's Dogma if anything, but I post this in every other thread, so it should come as no surprise to anyone.
I don't think so. Just because they both have fantasy elements doesn't mean they're the same.
Characters in Skyrim are barely developed, and they make literally no difference to the story. In Dragon Age, characters are a huge emphasis. The gameplay is completely different, the art style is completely different, the lore is completely different.
I like both games. I see very little in common between them.
When you take such a narrow scope, of course they will seem different. They are different games.
But they belong to the same genre (Adventure RPG), and occupy the same niche within the genre (Player Influenced).
On that basis alone they can be compared.
I don't think DAO and DA2 had anything to do with Skyrim. However with DAI, I think the comparison is fairer. It kinda feels Skyrim to me and I'm having hard time being as immersed to story as previous games : / Maybe I should just ditch fetch quests and focus on main story only.
When you take such a narrow scope, of course they will seem different. They are different games.
But they belong to the same genre (Adventure RPG), and occupy the same niche within the genre (Player Influenced).
On that basis alone they can be compared.
That's not the basis on which they were being compared, though. In this specific case, they were being compared on the basis of being able to change the characters with romance storylines into whatever the player wants. Given the way characters are written in DA:I versus how they were written in Skyrim, I really think there is no way that comparison is a legitimate one.
It's like comparing Call of Duty to Mass Effect. Sure, you can find similarities if you try hard enough, but arguing that one game needs to change its fundamental approach to be more like the other because they are in direct competition by being "shooters" is a really, really big stretch.
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