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[DanteYoda]

 

See my above post.  If that's what you want, awesome!  Just state that.   You don't have to stress the point that you think Cassandra looks like a man.  You should stop that and instead say, "I want curvy women with great smiles and high brows.  I don't prefer short hair, and I like hair that's longer that hugs the face."

 

Boom, done.  It's a great and productive way to start a conversation about variety for LIs.  It's a lot less aggressive than the constant merry-go-round.  

 

"She looks like a man."

"No she doesn't."  

"Yes she does and she's ugly!"  

"Here's women that look like here RL."  

"Nope, still unattractive."

"You're blind!"

"You have no taste!"

 

 

Yeah, this has gotten stale.  State what you like, and leave the bullshit at the door.   Life's too short for that much negativity over a video game.  We need to take a step back and try to have some fun with this.  

 

 

Eh, just making a point.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I thought he was into blondes.  <shrug>  She does have a jawline much like Cass, but I'll admit she's got too much of the slenderness of a professional model for me.

 

Being a guy, its usually quite hard trying to explain in plain text..

 

Honestly i'm not the best person to explain anything let alone go into detail about my likes etc, i find shapely women far sexier than skinny women but obviously my likes are not the average..

 

I will say the developer who stated Dwarven Romances are ewww and creepy really saddened me and upset me, for me shapely Dwarven females are very attractive in the Dragon Age Franchise and the fact they were excluded was very disheartening..

 

 

 

She doesn't look like a child to me

[Grieving Natashina]

Okay, I can explain this one.  You're talking about David Gaider's comment, I would assume?

 

He explained that.  I can't find the link at the moment (it's late,) but what happened is this: Someone sent him a pic of a dwarf female in pigtails and said, "I want a romance that looks like this."  It looked rather childlike, and David found it off-putting.  While he did make that comment, it was a bad case of humor not translating into text.   Sometime later, someone called him out on it and insisted that's what he honestly meant.  

 

He let them know the history, and let them know that he's actually not opposed to a dwarf LI at all.   When folks continued to insist that's how David felt, he sarcastically replied "Then it must be true."   Thus the game of Telephone started from there.

 

I was kinda mad too when I heard that, until I heard the whole story.  Now, if anything, I think the popularity of Harding is gonna pave the way forward.

[Shechinah]

(to Natashina) Ah, when I saw the quote being passed around I thought it just meant that if there was going to be a dwarven love interest, he did not want to be the person writing it which I thought was fair since something like that shows in the writing.

[xkg]

@Natashina While you're at it, don't forget to add one more thing to your examples.
"If you find them ugly, you are self-pleasurer"

If you're going to lecture, at least look at the both sides.

Unless making fun of group of people because they don't find some fictional pixel chick attractive is completely fair. *shrugs*

[Grieving Natashina]

(to Natashina) Ah, when I saw the quote being passed around I thought it just meant that if there was going to be a dwarven love interest, he did not want to be the person writing it which I thought was fair since something like that shows in the writing.

I guess I didn't catch the author part (last time I read that thread directly was around Halloween,) but hey, to each their own.  Mary Kirby (Varric's author) hasn't written a romance and Allan mentioned in a thread once that he's got the impression that she didn't like writing them.

 

 

@Natashina While you're at it, don't forget to add one more thing to your examples.
"If you find them ugly, you are self-pleasurer"

If you're going to lecture, at least look at the both sides.

Unless making fun of group of people because they don't find some fictional pixel chick attractive is completely fair. *shrugs*

What?

 

I never said that.  I never implied in a couple of previous posts.  I said that folks should state what they want, without comments that someone is ugly.  That's all.   In fact, Dante and I agree about liking dwarven romances.   He showed me what he would prefer, didn't call anyone ugly and we found something in common.  That's pretty cool to me.

 

Have I made fun of the "Cass is ugly" crowd before?  Yes I have, mainly due to the constant harping on the subject.  I keep reading that and I hear very little of anything constructive.  So I make fun of folks that continue to beat that drum to death.  Will I make fun of someone for offering a productive idea?  No, I won't.  

 

Too many of these self-proclaimed straight guys go on and on about how "ugly" they find the LIs without ever stating any real preference.  An adult should be able to state a preference without complaining that they don't like something every other post.   Isn't being constantly negative getting old?

 

I'm also not trying to lecture, and I apologize if that was your takeaway.  I've seen what can lead to a constructive conversation, and what's been leading to a pointless circular debate.  I'd love to hear more ideas, like Dante's.  It's possible without being negative or demanding after all.

 

We're all fans of the series, to one extent or another.  We've all spent money, time and energy to express our enjoyment for this IP.  That should be the point of the forums.  I would like folks to try to focus on the positive is all.   It's been a crazy week around here.  

[DanteYoda]

I guess I didn't catch the author part (last time I read that thread directly was around Halloween,) but hey, to each their own.  Mary Kirby (Varric's author) hasn't written a romance and Allan mentioned in a thread once that he's got the impression that she didn't like writing them.

I think this Mary Kirby should do a Romance, i'm very impressed with what she did with Varric as a character, and the love interest with bianca, it seemed like they wanted to  go there but didn't it was very sad..

 

 

For me the Cassandra and Josie looking like males is not me degrading them (on purpose) its just an honest opinion, i just don't find they look like females in their faces, i wish i did.. but i just don't see it, for me its visual engine issues probably more than a "i hate these companions issue" I never had one issue with females in DA:O or DA 2 to be honest Merrill and Felicia Day were both Awesome.

 

 

People seemed to hate on her so much but i really enjoyed her character..

 

If you want to go there... for me Vivienne is the most ugly of all the companions to me, not because she's an unattractive female (shes very attractive) but her personality to me is beyond ugly..

[ThreeF]

That doesn't make it less insane, a handful of exceptions notwithstanding that make it a theme and handle it well. It's usually played for the thrill, or for laughs, which means we aren't supposed to take it seriously. That's ok, SF doesn't have to be serious. However, if this appears in more serious SF, it's often as an allegory about racism, which completely overlooks the fact that difference races and different species are not the same thing. BTW, misapplied allegory has been a persistent flaw in Bioware's recent games. Just think of Cullen and his lyrium addiction story, which completely ignores that taking lyrium, unlike taking the alluded-to real-world substances, gives its user real and significant special abilities.

That's mainly because Science Fiction for a very long time served as a vehicle in times where it would be difficult(if not impossible) to publish such themes in "normal" books

[Grieving Natashina]

I think this Mary Kirby should do a Romance, i'm very impressed with what she did with Varric as a character, and the love interest with bianca, it seemed like they wanted to  go there but didn't it was very sad..

I don't think she should do one if she doesn't like writing them.  I like David Gaider's writing style for romances, but Sheryl Chee has done some good ones as well.    Sheryl would be a good choice actually.   

 

Oh, I was a Varricmancer as well.  It was a sad day when I lit my Cadash/Varric ship on fire, but it had to be done.  

[DanteYoda]

I don't think she should do one if she doesn't like writing them.  I like David Gaider's writing style for romances, but Sheryl Chee has done some good ones as well.    Sheryl would be a good choice actually.   

 

Oh, I was a Varricmancer as well.  It was a sad day when I lit my Cadash/Varric ship on fire, but it had to be done.  

I'm not up with Developers, i tend to stand well back from the devs side of Dragon Age.

 

I reedited my post above.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm not up with Developers, i tend to stand well back from the devs side of Dragon Age.

 

I reedited my post above.

The personality part I totally get.  I can understand that, and it leads to more civil debates than the sticky area of looks.  Mine was "Blackwall." He was too stoic and I could tell he wasn't telling the truth, so I didn't like him very much at first.

 

It's okay not to find the LIs to your taste in looks.  Hearing about it constantly is a drag, and I think that we'd have more fun talking about what we want instead of what we didn't get.  Besides, I found another dwarf fan thanks to you being honest without being negative.  Good to meet ya, Sal'roka.  

 

As far as the authors, I know who writes what because honestly, I'm a dork like that.  

[Panda]

You know, I'd rather see threads requesting a specific type.  Er, without getting creepy.  For example, I wouldn't mind seeing a post that says something like:

 

"I'm sick of brunette humans.  I liked Leliana's look, but I prefer ___ race of blondes that have a little makeup.  I like women with a little more curves, like Isabela (I think it's the curves and not the breasts some men miss imho)  Someone with ___ leanings towards the Chantry, and maybe ___ class for the next game.  It would be nice to see something different."  Try not to make it about the potential LIs sexual orientation (so long as they're into a male character, it is an overall moot point) but the look as well as the personality of what you'd like to see in a BioWare game. 

 

That would be welcome and I'd be happy to participate in such a thread.  It sounds much classier versus saying "Oh, you gave me LIs that look like men.  It's not for me, so they truly screwed over all straight male gamers everywhere."  One leads to a constructive conversation, the other does not.  I know that BioWare can't please everyone.  However, I think it's fine to ask if you're not going nuts about it.   Asking for patches, DLCs and toolkits for the sake of a new romance is a waste of time.  There's always the future though, so it's a great time to ask for the next game.

 

The reason why I post in so many threads requesting archetypes and different representation is because I've gotten very weary of the same old thing.  Mostly straight white guys with stubble in 30s; women of only a certain build and look...the list goes on.  I feel that in Dragon Age, there has been a trend of women that are brunettes (save Leliana,) and I think it's time for something different.  Not more options for straight men (or for anyone, except for the ace community.  I think there is plenty for the most part,) but different ones.  I enjoy playing straight male characters too.  I had a lot of fun with the Merrill romance because of it.  

 

So as a role player and a customer, I'm happy to contribute to threads requesting more variety.  From what I've witnessed on the forums, it's a lot more constructive and productive to leave the negative comments like, "She looks like a man" out of the thread, and instead state things like, "This is what I'd prefer to see."  I use the term, "not to my taste," because that's the gist of it.  Everyone has different tastes, and some just aren't going to appeal to you.

 

Yep, I think this would be lot better as well and give devs more feedback. Personally I'm mostly into threads who ask variety in terms of how story plays out or race, alligment or personalities. They make lot of nice discussion and I agree that more variety would be nice for example to get more non-human LI's

[ThreeF]

Yep, I think this would be lot better as well and give devs more feedback

Feedback on what? That people have different preferences when it comes to looks? That it is impossible to check everyone's list? I'm pretty sure they are aware of it.

 

They may never include a busty blond straight female or some other visual stereotype, so what?  Why should they even bother?

[SofaJockey]

Why can't we have a romance option like Isabella for straight male gamers?

 

Oh, please just stop with these dumb threads.

Isabela, Cassandra and Josephine are all gorgeous.

 

This straight male gamer is very satisfied.

Making your case 'for straight male gamers' is ignorant.

 

These dumb threads have been aired more than enough times.

BioWare's style is not to base female characters around whether they are boob-armoured sex toys (good for them).

 

Just stop it...

[Panda]

Feedback on what? That people have different preferences when it comes to looks? That is it impossible to check everyone's list? I'm pretty sure they are aware of it.

 

They may never include a busty blond straight female or some other visual stereotype, so what?  Why should they even bother?

 

Hmh, I guess lists of what features people think their ideal LI has aren't any better than these threads feedback-wise ^^; Threads about character tropes that people like to see, wishes for dwarf romance or gay KISA are probaply better examples

[ThreeF]

I just want them to give me a LI that has major psychological issues...

Well, that is BW forte, so I wouldn't worry.

[Angry_Elcor]

Unless making fun of group of people because they don't find some fictional pixel chick attractive is completely fair. *shrugs*

 

You sent that to the wrong person. I'm the one who makes fun of people who don't find fictional pixel chicks attractive. People who whine about not finding fictional pixel chicks attractive don't get my sympathy. It's a rule. They get my mockery, instead.

 

[Lord Surinen]

Yes, more than less. It fits.

[Elfyoth]

The Cassandra head have changed and was much more male- like OP:  here look: 

 

 

 

 

Now Cassandra looks like that:      

 

 

So the first one was during E3 2013, she looked much more male like and now she looks much more female like, and not ALL FEMALES have to have the same head position and looks, and not ALL FEMALES  have to be pirates with huge boobs, that like to have sex than romance, not saying I dont like this kind of females, I wish I had an Isabella romance here, but not all of them have to be like Isabela. 

[xkg]

You sent that to the wrong person. I'm the one who makes fun of people who don't find fictional pixel chicks attractive. People who whine about not finding fictional pixel chicks attractive don't get my sympathy. It's a rule. They get my mockery, instead.

Well, there are people who I respect and there are those that I don't. Opinion and comments from the former can get me upset sometimes, from the latter - never.

Anyway. You have free pass to say whatever you want. You can figure it out why, if you care.

[Panda]

The Cassandra head have changed and was much more male- like OP:  here look: <snip>

 

Now Cassandra looks like that:  <snip>    

 

So the first one was during E3 2013, she looked much more male like and now she looks much more female like, and not ALL FEMALES have to have the same head position and looks, and not ALL FEMALES  have to be pirates with huge boobs, that like to have sex than romance, not saying I dont like this kind of females, I wish I had an Isabella romance here, but not all of them have to be like Isabela. 

 

I have to say that I don't share the view that she looked more masculine in E3 than now. I think she looks mostly cuter and younger in E3 pic though I like both

[Ieldra]

That's mainly because Science Fiction for a very long time served as a vehicle in times where it would be difficult(if not impossible) to publish such themes in "normal" books

So why does ME3 do it, too, and in the worst possible way I've ever seen at that (Joker/EDI)? You see, all I'm saying is that you can't have it both ways: you can design your world to fit the issues you want to address, and live with its limitations, or make a cooler, more fantastic world where the same issues don't fit, but then you should refrain from shoehorning them in anyway. While I may not agree with all the results (prime example: Cullen's lyrium addiction story), at least I get the impression the DA teams thinks about these things at least occasionally. The ME team.....well, no comment.

[Elfyoth]

I have to say that I don't share the view that she looked more masculine in E3 than now. I think she looks mostly cuter and younger in E3 pic though I like both

I think in there she looked more like the DA2 Cass

 

 

 

Here look:  

[ThreeF]

So why does ME3 do it, too, and in the worst possible way I've ever seen at that (Joker/EDI)? You see, all I'm saying is that you can't have it both ways: you can design your world to fit the issues you want to address, and live with its limitations, or make a cooler, more fantastic world where the same issues don't fit, but then you should refrain from shoehorning them in anyway. While I may not agree with all the results (prime example: Cullen's lyrium addiction story), at least I get the impression the DA teams thinks about these things at least occasionally. The ME team.....well, no comment.

I was mainly referring to that particular line (hence why it was in bold)

 

That said, I have not played ME3 so you probably will need to explain what going on with Joker/EDI because I don't know how it is done there. Is it the fact that EDI looks human female? I don't know...  Is it necessary for EDI to look completely different for the romance to exceed the concept of normality? I think not. The main concern I think is where do you stop before it becomes so bizarre to the audience that the audience will reject it. You generally don't want to attack and break preconceptions, people are quite possessive of those and will stubbornly defend them, you want to bend them ease the audience into them in order to make things more acceptable. It's a fine line.

 

Btw, what  is the issue with lyrium possessing certain qualities? Not sure if I get what you are trying to say.