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[ThreeF]

The problem with DA2 is that everyone ends up looking the same on some sort not-so-distant relative level. Some of the DAI concept art is sort of like that too in the sense that most of them look like they drunk from the same despair bottle (although Solas looks much more manly and refine).

 

 

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[Grieving Natashina]

It seems like with Josie, Vivienne and Solas, they knew what they wanted.  Iron Bull looks close, and Vivienne almost matches her in-game form.

[ThreeF]

Samson is very close to what we got in-game too, then again that one actually did drink from the despair bottle.

 

I like Cullen's armour on the card better than the weird in-game contemporary amalgam, but this armour is more suitable for jousting and horse-riding than fighting on foot.

 

[Dreamer]

Why can't we have a romance option like Isabella for straight male gamers? The gay male gamers got Dorian.

 

In Dragon Age 2, if you play a MALE HAWKE and wish to romance Isabella, you can. Isabella is extremely attractive.  To gay men, Dorian is extremely attractive.

 

As a gay man, I completely resent the insinuation that we all want or like the same thing. What a shameful and offensive post, OP.

[Ieldra]

I was mainly referring to that particular line (hence why it was in bold)
 
That said, I have not played ME3 so you probably will need to explain what going on with Joker/EDI because I don't know how it is done there. Is it the fact that EDI looks human female? I don't know...  Is it necessary for EDI to look completely different for the romance to exceed the concept of normality? I think not. The main concern I think is where do you stop before it becomes so bizarre to the audience that the audience will reject it. You generally don't want to attack and break preconceptions, people are quite possessive of those and will stubbornly defend them, you want to bend them ease the audience into them in order to make things more acceptable. It's a fine line.
 
Btw, what  is the issue with lyrium possessing certain qualities? Not sure if I get what you are trying to say.

The issue with Cullen's lyrium addiction is that it fails as a real-world analogy because taking lyrium gives you special abilities. That would be OK if it had been brought up in his quest, but it was completely ignored.

The issue with Joker/EDI is that EDI having romantic attractions in the first place would need to be explained since she's a synthetic. Also as a synthetic, she's not wired for sex. Rather than that being made a topic, if you prevent the romance from happening EDI says "It's not like a synthetic and an organic could maintain a relationship as equals". First-order category failure. That's not what it was about. The writers shoehorned an analogy about different life forms being equally valid into a story where other, more down-to-Earth problems would've needed to be addressed before that even became an issue.

In short, the writers either forgot or deliberately ignored the way the fictional world is different from the real one in order to put their allegory in. These things really send me up the wall because they suggest that the writers think their allegory is more important than the integrity of the fictional world. ME3, btw., is full of such things.

[Elfyoth]

Well... I must admit, I'm glad Sera didn't turn out like.. that.

Wait shes the Elf with the purple eyes?   Didint notice its her lol

[Grieving Natashina]

Well this maybe Captain Obvious but...

 

After countless repetitive threads, we have come to the conclusion that the OP has a pea brain and believes that the only standard of beauty is inside this rather small brain of his.

He also has charts.  

[Grieving Natashina]

Is that supposed to make him look smart?

 

The "Tali sweat graph" destroys that argument.

[ThreeF]

The issue with Cullen's lyrium addiction is that it fails as a real-world analogy because taking lyrium gives you special abilities. That would be OK if it had been brought up in his quest, but it was completely ignored.

Hmm.....well you can parallel it to steroids, if you want.  But Cullen's issue with lyrium is not the special abilities (although if I'm not mistaken you get to explore this topic a bit if you roll a Templar in romance with him) but him cutting his ties with his old life and gaining control over it. His conflict is about duty vs personal happiness.

 

 

The issue with Joker/EDI is that EDI having romantic attractions in the first place would need to be explained since she's a synthetic. Also as a synthetic, she's not wired for sex. Rather than that being made a topic, if you prevent the romance from happening EDI says "It's not like a synthetic and an organic could maintain a relationship as equals". First-order category failure. That's not what it was about. The writers shoehorned an analogy about different life forms being equally valid into a story where other, more down-to-Earth problems would've needed to be addressed before that even became an issue.

In short, the writers either forgot or deliberately ignored the way the fictional world is different from the real one in order to put their allegory in. These things really send me up the wall because they suggest that the writers think their allegory is more important than the integrity of the fictional world. ME3, btw., is full of such things.

Not necessary, it is a typical trope to imply that what makes us human are our feelings, the audience is familiar with the concept.  I'll agree from what you wrote the theme seems to be underdeveloped. I think this mainly happens because the romance is treated as side content and as such limited time is left for its development, like in all BW games once you've banged it's more or less game over. It would be nice if the game could actually have time to explore things instead of throwing bits here and there.

[o Ventus]

The issue with Cullen's lyrium addiction is that it fails as a real-world analogy because taking lyrium gives you special abilities. That would be OK if it had been brought up in his quest, but it was completely ignored.
 

Does something that's acknowledged both in previous games, in the extended universe, and at a different point in the current game really need to be brought up AGAIN?

 

Also, for the sake of comparison, it can be argued that real-world drugs do grant you 'abilities', in the form of the high one gets from them.

[Perpetual Nirvana]

Odd. Now Brevnau is gone this seems to have turned into something resembling a reasonable discussion. Strange that.

[Ieldra]

Hmm.....well you can parallel it to steroids, if you want.  But Cullen's issue with lyrium is not the special abilities (although if I'm not mistaken you get to explore this topic a bit if you roll a Templar in romance with him) but him cutting his ties with his old life and gaining control over it. His conflict is about duty vs personal happiness.

Yes, but the problem is this conflict is not the only signficant thing that should have a bearing on his decision.
 

Not necessary, it is a typical trope to imply that what makes us human are our feelings, the audience is familiar with the concept.  I'll agree from what you wrote the theme seems to be underdeveloped. I think this mainly happens because the romance is treated as side content and as such limited time is left for its development, like in all BW games once you've banged it's more or less game over. It would be nice if the game could actually have time to explore things instead of throwing bits here and there.

Perhaps I should clarify: my problem is specifically with sexual attraction, not with platonic love. I can see a synthetic developing the latter but not the former. Had the relationship not been so thoroughly sexualized, the story - and the allegory - might have worked. In fact, it would've worked much better, as far as I'm concerned, had EDI remained the ship AI and developed emotionally without getting acquiring the body of a sex bot. Any related activity could've relegated to virtual reality.

[ThreeF]

Yes, but the problem is this conflict is not the only signficant thing that should have a bearing on his decision.

Actually no, to him it is the only thing that matters, it's been always the only thing that mattered to him all his life, his duty and what it means to him.

 

 

Perhaps I should clarify: my problem is specifically with sexual attraction, not with platonic love. I can see a synthetic developing the latter but not the former. Had the relationship not been so thoroughly sexualized, the story - and the allegory - might have worked. In fact, it would've worked much better, as far as I'm concerned, had EDI remained the ship AI and developed emotionally without getting acquiring the body of a sex bot. Any related activity could've relegated to virtual reality.

Same thing, achieving the former is just a different degree of android dreaming of electric sheep and Pinocchio becoming a real boy.

[Rawgrim]

Yes, but the problem is this conflict is not the only signficant thing that should have a bearing on his decision.
 
Perhaps I should clarify: my problem is specifically with sexual attraction, not with platonic love. I can see a synthetic developing the latter but not the former. Had the relationship not been so thoroughly sexualized, the story - and the allegory - might have worked. In fact, it would've worked much better, as far as I'm concerned, had EDI remained the ship AI and developed emotionally without getting acquiring the body of a sex bot. Any related activity could've relegated to virtual reality.

 

Occulus Rift!

 

But then the Inquisitor would close that rift, and ruin everything for EDI.

[AlanC9]

The issue with Joker/EDI is that EDI having romantic attractions in the first place would need to be explained since she's a synthetic. Also as a synthetic, she's not wired for sex.

You mean not wired for sexual desire, right? Presumably sex itself would have been part of Dr. Eva's toolkit, judging from the design of her body. How much functionality is left after the shuttle crash is another matter.

I didn't take away that EDI has sexual desire per se. She desires to engage in human activities in general, and this is just a particular instance.

[Ieldra]

Actually no, to him it is the only thing that matters, it's been always the only thing that mattered to him all his life, his duty and what it means to him.

Yes, but we don't know that. I think an additional exchange was needed, someting like this:

I: And...this anti-magical stuff you can do? You're willing to give that up, too?
C: Are you telling me I shouldn't?
I: No, just asking if you're thought it all through.
C: Yes, damn it. I will not be chained to that life any more.
I: ...

I think this aspect is too important to remain at an implied level because it's what makes lyrium addiction drastically different from their real-world equivalent.

(Not continuing the ME stuff because I've said my part. @AlanC9: Yes, in that case, too, I think this aspect of the relationship is too important to remain at the implied level, especially since it's likely to influence our decisions)

[ThreeF]

Yes, but we don't know that. I think an additional exchange was needed, someting like this:

I: And...this anti-magical stuff you can do? You're willing to give that up, too?
C: Are you telling me I shouldn't?
I: No, just asking if you're thought it all through.
C: Yes, damn it. I will not be chained to that life any more.
I: ...

Can't be 100% sure on the exacts but you sort of get this kind of discussion if you are a Templar.

 

On the other hand, I don't know.... the way I see it Cullen joined the Templars because he wanted to help, not because it gave him powers, I don't even think he sees having powers as a benefit, he actually sees them as a sacrifice one must make in order to be useful and for the Inquisitor it is more reasonable to object on the ground of having the military commander be completely incapacitated than less powerful. I mean on one hand I see why you would want it go that way, on the other hand I think it would unnecessary complicate things by talking about  an issue that isn't there.

[Joseph Warrick]

I don't know the current conversation in the thread but I saw pictures of remarkable jaws and I wanted to contribute to it with Lucy Diamond.

 

[Little Princess Peach]

what is it with bsn and romances you should just thank your lucky stars Bioware allows them in there games  if they make everyone available for everybody like in da2 bsn moans when some characters are restricted bsn moans there is no pleasing you people

[Abraham_uk]

I don't know the current conversation in the thread but I saw pictures of remarkable jaws and I wanted to contribute to it with Lucy Diamond.

 

 

This is a jaw droopingly bad thread. As is this terrible pun.