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[Han Shot First]

Although I'm not a fan of Bethesda games in general, I can at least entertain the possibility that they do some things better than Bioware. Open worlds for example, since that is their bread & butter. But romances or character content? You're out of your gorram mind. 

[TheOgre]

The most common reason I see is because she has a sharp jawline.

 

... I can name numerous women who are traditional beauties and also have sharp jawlines, but for some reason it only applies to Cassandra.

 

I mean, look at this mannish thug with her man jaw:

 

 

I'm not denying your claim. For me, I am not a fan.

 

Quickly to clarify, this is just my personal opinion. I do not speak for mankind, and thank god there are few that can.

[AresKeith]

Again, still better than Dragon Age on that front. No matter how bad the content, anything still beats the zero content DA offers. 

 

You once said that Bioware pretty much makes fun of marriage, Skyrim literally does it 

[o Ventus]

 

Again, still better than Dragon Age on that front. No matter how bad the content, anything still beats zero content. 

When it's of such low quality as Skyrim marriages, the bad content may as well not be there. It has no substance (and even presence, unless you actively pursue it). There's no incentive to marry in Skyrim as opposed to pursuing a romance in DA or ME (not a tangible incentive, but it adds greatly to role-playing and offers an interesting subplot).

[Lady Artifice]

I think Olivia Wilde is absurdly beautiful. 

[daveliam]

I did another iteration of facial modifications.

 

 

I am not trolling when I tell you that I don't see an improvement. 

[AresKeith]

I did another iteration of facial modifications.

Regarding Skyrim romance.
 
My basic point is that Skyrim allows you to marry any gender you choose no matter your own gender. You can marry whatever gender you want. There is no prejudice.

Why are you still posting after that embarrassing post? Legit serious question too

[Lady Artifice]

Why are you still posting after that embarrassing post? Legit serious question too

 

Maybe he doesn't have the capacity to feel embarrassment. 

[o Ventus]

I'm not denying your claim. For me, I am not a fan.

Oh, by all means, you don't need to be a fan. But I doubt that anyone would say that Olivia Wilde looks like a man.

[o Ventus]

I am not trolling when I tell you that I don't see an improvement. 

The fixed picture actually makes me uncomfortable. It makes Cassandra look like a chain smoker who had to get part of her jaw surgically removed.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You once said that Bioware pretty much makes fun of marriage, Skyrim literally does it 

But at least they also offer it as an option, mixing positives with negatives. 

Unlike Bioware which deals out solely negatives with the subject.

 

 

When it's of such low quality as Skyrim marriages, the bad content may as well not be there. It has no substance (and even presence, unless you actively pursue it). There's no incentive to marry in Skyrim as opposed to pursuing a romance in DA or ME (not a tangible incentive, but it adds greatly to role-playing and offers an interesting subplot).

The incentive in both is the same: role playing options. 

And as I said, when it comes to romance content Bioware is clearly better overall. However they are completely lacking in parts of the subject matter. 

[Lady Artifice]

He's doing that thing again, where he edits his responses into the post being responded to. 

 

 

Edit: here:

 

 

Han Shot First, on 28 Feb 2015 - 9:39 PM, said:

Although I'm not a fan of Bethesda games in general, I can at least entertain the possibility that they do some things better than Bioware. Open worlds for example, since that is their bread & butter. But romances or character content? You're out of your gorram mind. 

 

Regarding Skyrim romance. No one bothered reading the rest of my post. So here is the basic, basic version.

 

Skyrim allows you to marry any gender you choose no matter your own gender. You can marry whatever gender you want. There is no prejudice. No big deal is made out of a gay only companion or a straight only companion.  Everyone is treated equally in Skyrim. 

 

 

daveliam, on 28 Feb 2015 - 9:41 PM, said:

I am not trolling when I tell you that I don't see an improvement. 

 

Thanks, I made another iteration by lifting her entire face so she has slightly less forehead.

 

AresKeith, on 28 Feb 2015 - 9:42 PM, said:

Why are you still posting after that embarrassing post? Legit serious question too

 

You should try explaining your point of view.

 

 

I think he misunderstood Daveliam's comment...

[AlanC9]

I just can't see how marriage could be integrated into a typical Bio plot. Doing it right would also be a terrible resource sink. It works in Skyrim because there's so little content in all NPC interactions.

[o Ventus]

 

The incentive in both is the same: role playing options. 

And as I said, when it comes to romance content Bioware is clearly better overall. However they are completely lacking in parts of the subject matter. 

Hardly.

 

Romance does not automatically assume marriage, but marriage does typically assume romance. Besides, it wouldn't make a ton of sense for marriage (between the PC and an NPC) to exist in Bioware games, given the ambiguous timeframes in the games. It's not any different in Skyrim, there's never any sense of time given there either. People don't tend to get married until after they're comfortable with the other person and are sure they know them. 

 

The only Bioware PC/NPC combo I can think of that would make some kind of sense in a marriage context would be the Warden and Morrigan (and it's subtly implied that they did get married at one point).

[Panda]

I did another iteration of facial modifications.

 

 

 

 

Regarding Skyrim romance. No one bothered reading the rest of my post. So here is the basic, basic version.

 

Skyrim allows you to marry any gender you choose no matter your own gender. You can marry whatever gender you want. There is no prejudice. No big deal is made out of a gay only companion or a straight only companion.  Everyone is treated equally in Skyrim. 

 

I prefer Vanilla

 

Skyrim is has very different character writing than Dragon Age which explains difference. Although I don't think sexuality is prejudice (unless OP you want to claim that you being heterosexual is prejudiced and wrong as well), I think some prejudice is needed for conflicts and not treating everyone equally, for example in DA characters being against magic, chantry or something else. Skyrim has lot of prejudice as well, not for romances, but for example Elves are treated as second class citizens in Stormcloak areas and Khajiit's can't even get into cities. Skyrim's world is far from equal.

 

Dragon Age's characters having different sexualities makes the more well-defined than Skyrim's characters and opens opportunities for writers to write dialogue, stories, jokes and even plotlines that are intertwined with character's sexuality.

[daveliam]

The fixed picture actually makes me uncomfortable. It makes Cassandra look like a chain smoker who had to get part of her jaw surgically removed.

 

He also shortened her head!  So now she has a partial jaw and smaller braincase?  Like significantly smaller?  Yikes.  I mean, it's not completely freakish, but she's certainly not better looking.

 

He's doing that thing again, where he edits his responses into the post being responded to. 

 

 

Edit: here:

 

 

 

I think he misunderstood Daveliam's comment...

 

Ha.  Yeah, I think  he misunderstood me. 

[Lady Artifice]

Referring to sexual orientation as "prejudice."

 

Debating this is like trying to formulate a combat strategy against a hurricane.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I just can't see how marriage could be integrated into a typical Bio plot. Doing it right would also be a terrible resource sink. It works in Skyrim because there's so little content in all NPC interactions.

So instead we are stuck with just what we have now? Great. 

 

 

Hardly.

 

Romance does not automatically assume marriage, but marriage does typically assume romance. Besides, it wouldn't make a ton of sense for marriage (between the PC and an NPC) to exist in Bioware games, given the ambiguous timeframes in the games. It's not any different in Skyrim, there's never any sense of time given there either. People don't tend to get married until after they're comfortable with the other person and are sure they know them. 

 

The only Bioware PC/NPC combo I can think of that would make some kind of sense in a marriage context would be the Warden and Morrigan (and it's subtly implied that they did get married at one point).

They make it clear that the games go on for several months. Heck by the time we reach Skyhold it has been a few months. Plus there are lots of cases of successful marriages that occured a short time frame from the two meeting each other. This is especially true in times of crisis, which all Bioware games tend to be set during. 

 

I disagree. There are several couplings where it would make perfect sense. 

[o Ventus]

 

They make it clear that the games go on for several months. Heck by the time we reach Skyhold it has been a few months. Plus there are lots of cases of successful marriages that occured a short time frame from the two meeting each other. This is especially true in times of crisis, which all Bioware games tend to be set during. 

 

I disagree. There are several couplings where it would make perfect sense. 

 

I said "ambiguous", not "totally unknown".

[AresKeith]

Referring to sexual orientation as "prejudice."

 

Debating this is like trying to formulate a combat strategy against a hurricane.

 

I don't think he even understands prejudice either 

[Han Shot First]

There's no prejudice in Bioware games either, so I'm not sure what the point is regarding that comparison to Skyrim. Some characters having either same or opposite sex preferences is not some example of gamers of <insert your sexual preference here> being discriminated against.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I said "ambiguous", not "totally unknown".

I know what you said. I was pointing put that the hints they do give us show there is enough time for such things to happen since they do here.

[Lady Artifice]

So instead we are stuck with just what we have now? Great. 

 

Why does marriage between the characters really matter to you? I'd like to try to understand. I typically find domesticity boring in fiction. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why does marriage between the characters really matter to you? I'd like to try to understand. I typically find domesticity boring in fiction. 

Because just like how there are players who want to have the option to play the sexuality they want, I would like to have the option to at least play the lifestyle I want since let's face it I know I'll never be able to play the sexuality I want. 

[o Ventus]

I know what you said. I was pointing put that the hints they do give us show there is enough time for such things to happen since they do here.

There's a couple of months to a year from the beginning of DAI to the end. No reasonable people get married in such a quick span of time.

 

Why does marriage between the characters really matter to you? I'd like to try to understand. I typically find domesticity boring in fiction. 

To be fair, no Bioware protagonist (and accompanying NPC romance) lives a typically domestic life. Shepard is a career soldier and a cyborg. The Warden is the Warden. Hawke is either one of the most loved or hated people in Thedas (depending on who you ask), and the Inquisitor leads an army of the righteous that rivals kingdoms in size and strength.