I'm nearing the end of my first playthrough as human 2H warrior and I'm considering a melee rogue for my next run and was wondering if Qunari play well in that role? I know that their gear choices are somewhat limited and they tend to be portrayed mostly as warriors. I'm not a 100% min-maxer but I don't want to sink 20 hours into a kit that just isn't going to hold water.
Is this a viable combo?
Why not? They get a 10% bonus to melee defense. That is helpful for any class. Playing as a rogue is as close to dual wielding as you can get but it would be strange playing a sneaky agile tall musclebound Qunari.
I mainly wondered since it seems like they can't wear most armors. Rogues tend to be squishy enough already and I realize the idea is to avoid being hit but dual-wielding will definitely draw aggro if your DPS is high so my concern would be they'd be about as tough as a wet paper bag.
I mainly wondered since it seems like they can't wear most armors. Rogues tend to be squishy enough already and I realize the idea is to avoid being hit but dual-wielding will definitely draw aggro if your DPS is high so my concern would be they'd be about as tough as a wet paper bag.
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The author of the article is mistaken about the fade touched however. It doesn't need to be fade touched. Your right about Qunari not being able to wear most armors but using Silverite will allow your rogue to wear heavy armor, though it won't look pretty.
That interesting. But I was thinking more about the armor restrictions for Qunari, not rogues.
That interesting. But I was thinking more about the armor restrictions for Qunari, not rogues.
Qunari can still wear heavy armor so you will at least have that. Like I said it won't look pretty but it will be heavy armor.
As a rogue, you should be using stealth to avoid damage, not armor to mitigate it. Your role as a rogue is to do as much damage as humanly/elfly/dwarfly/
Qunari...ly possible and then stealth away. Since Qunari wear vitaars, which increases damage rather than armor, this lets you do your job more efficiently than any other race if you're good at it. And even if you're not good at it, the +10 melee defense should help somewhat.
I don't get why people say that Qunari "can't wear most armors"....I've played a Qunari mage for like 80 hours, and the only armor limitations I encountered were the helmets...
Well as a mage I can't imagine you're wearing a whole lot of armor?
My only experience is in trying to equip Iron Bull and finding that a good amount of it won't says "Human Trained Only" or "Human and Elf Only", etc.
I haven't done an in-depth analysis or anything, I don't have hard numbers it just seems like there's not a lot of gear for Qunari characters and I know in past DA games my melee rogues have sometimes relied heavily on gear. My main rogue Warden didn't really become unstoppable until I got ahold of the Felon's Coat.
Anyway, I'll focus on damage and evasion and see how I do. Thanks for the advice.
I don't get why people say that Qunari "can't wear most armors"....I've played a Qunari mage for like 80 hours, and the only armor limitations I encountered were the helmets...
Well as a mage I can't imagine you're wearing a whole lot of armor?
My only experience is in trying to equip Iron Bull and finding that a good amount of it won't says "Human Trained Only" or "Human and Elf Only", etc.
I haven't done an in-depth analysis or anything, I don't have hard numbers it just seems like there's not a lot of gear for Qunari characters and I know in past DA games my melee rogues have sometimes relied heavily on gear. My main rogue Warden didn't really become unstoppable until I got ahold of the Felon's Coat.
Anyway, I'll focus on damage and evasion and see how I do. Thanks for the advice.
Yeah, right. I run nude thou the wilds 
Unless Shields can be "counted" as armor, and there are limitations on them, I wore the same amount of armor as everyone else. Maybe there are more armor limitations on Medium/Heavy ones, don't know that.
Yeah, if you really care about having the best armor, everyone can wear the T3 Prowler/Battlemaster/Battlemage armors, so it's sort of a moot point. The race gated armors are usually very sub-par, to the point that I don't even use them on races that can equip them (even though the Dalish Scout Armor is so cool-looking... I can't get past the THREE SLOTS wasted on defense). The only reason to wear Warden/Orlesian/Carta/Dalish armor is for aesthetics, not stats.
Plus, vitaar gives qunari higher potential damage than other races, so it's a natural fit for rogues.
Pretty much. Battlemage Armor is the best for offense oriented mages, as far as I can tell, while Coat is the best for defense. I think Mail is a bit of a mix of both, but I prefer to go for Armor. Besides, it's the easiest to find (if you've luck with the RNG while visiting that cursed Hissing Wastes merchant....which I hadn't in my last playthought, even having tried 30 times or so).
Still, with The Black Emporium coming it's pretty much possible that their hegemony will be gone soon enough.
The only semi-decent armor qunari can't wear is the Grey Warden armors. You do get others like the Keeper's Robe and other race specific ones but those exclude all races except the one they're intended for. The best armors in the game don't have a race restriction, that I know of. You also can't wear helmets which may or may not be a big deal depending on how much you min/max.
Helmets wouldn't be a big deal if Vitaars didn't look like divorced and drunk draq queens.
Oh, well...nothing that mods like Kieta's New Vitaars can't handle....
i feel that qunari rogues are a waste to be quite frank
if you are getting hit by melee as a rogue, you aren't roguing well
not tested one yet but my human rogue usually cant reach targets with his jump attack, im assuming due the size of the qunari, they can mostly reach the target, they probably make the best rogues imo
will def give this a go, makes it unique since qunari rogues are few and far between
i feel that qunari rogues are a waste to be quite frank
if you are getting hit by melee as a rogue, you aren't roguing well
Shouldnt the vitaars be a huge boost to burst damage?
@Exalus: Yeah, not sure how people miss this. Vitaar add DAMAGE. Will a Qunari be good for a Rogue? Um... do you like doing damage as a rogue? If so, then yes... so much yes then Qunari are the highest damage there is due to Vitaar. It's crazier when you do it as a mage though, staffs have by there nature much smaller dmg totals then the other weapons and your adding +20 onto the whole thing...
Anyway yeah Qunari make good rogues cause there heads reject helmets for damage boosting drag queen paint.
Qunari dagger rogues are great. Vitaar damage bonuses are huge when you attack that fast, and melee defense is actually useful. Qunari archers aren't as good. The damage bonus is a lot less noticeable and melee defense is mostly irrelevant. I mean, it's still the best race if you just want to do the most possible damage, but an elf or dwarf archer is almost as good and makes more sense in story terms.
As a rogue, you should be using stealth to avoid damage, not armor to mitigate it. Your role as a rogue is to do as much damage as humanly/elfly/dwarfly/
Qunari...ly possible and then stealth away. Since Qunari wear vitaars, which increases damage rather than armor, this lets you do your job more efficiently than any other race if you're good at it. And even if you're not good at it, the +10 melee defense should help somewhat.
This is the main point. Don't play your DW rogue as a warrior, or you'll die very quickly (with any armor).
Anyway, you can wear any crafted armor with any race, and since crafted armors will be better than the ones you find, armor restrictions should always be irrelevant.
@Alan,
That's actually not true. Any race can equip the battlemaster/prowler/battlemage set, which is pretty much the best armor anyway. However, crafted templar armor is still human-only, crafted dalish armor is elf-only, and I think there's a recipe to craft legion of the dead armor for dwarves.
@Alan,
That's actually not true. Any race can equip the battlemaster/prowler/battlemage set, which is pretty much the best armor anyway. However, crafted templar armor is still human-only, crafted dalish armor is elf-only, and I think there's a recipe to craft legion of the dead armor for dwarves.
Are those armors any good? I never play human and I never had any issues wearing the armors I crafted, but of course I always craft the best stuff available in my schematics. so maybe those armors are not even worth crafting?
The race schematics aren't bad, although they're also not so amazingly good that missing them is a substantial problem. The generic tier 3s you can buy in the Hissing Wastes are as good or better once you get the upgrades. The Dalish Scout armor, for instance, has 28 total bonus slots, which is very good, but racial armors can't be upgraded. Prowler armors, arms, and legs have 12 each for a total of 36. The racial armors offer different bonuses, of course, that you might theoretically prefer -- but they're heavily biased toward defense, which is usually not what people really want. The racial armors look cool, but the best argument for using them is really just to save gold. Even then, because they're defense-focused, you can get comparable results by buying one tier 3 generic and slapping it on everyone regardless of their class.
EDIT: Okay, let me take a closer look at the tier 3 racial armors.
Templar Armor: Templar armor is actually a totally reasonable option for a human warrior. The fully upgraded battlemaster armor has 20 metal utility, 12 leather defense, and 4 metal defense. Templar armor has 8 leather defense, 8 cloth defense, and 8 leather utility. That's way, way less total stats, but in some builds the crit chance is extremely valuable, and in some fights electric or spirit resistance could be very strong.
Legion of the Dead: The bonus stats are crap (20 metal defense and 8 leather defense), but it has more actual armor rating than anything you can normally buy. The only schematics that match it are either random drops or expensive buys that require the short list perk.
Keeper Robes: These again have more armor than any cloth that's buyable without short list, and they actually deal more damage than the standard battlemage set.
Dalish Scout: This is much worse than the buyable prowler set unless you don't care about damage at all.
In addition to the tier 3s, there are a whole bunch of human-only tier 1 and 2 armors, which are often either better or cheaper than the alternatives at the time they show up.
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