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[Korva]

If you bring in the templars, their war table missions involve helping mages, so it isn't just a one-sided outcome. It also makes for a nice redemption arc, if that's your thing (as it is for me). Overall, it's rather sad that the mage/templar war is one of various concepts that got briefly touched on and then dropped like a hot potato with many loose ends left untied.

[PillarBiter]

I'm generally more inclined to side with the mages. Simply because in every game, the templars seem riddled with gargantuan douchebags throughout the ranks. Why in god's name would I support them?

 

Mages kill innocents, yes. But mostly not circle mages. And templars kill innocents as well but they feel righteous about it. Plus there's the whole corrupted seeker thing above it. 

That said, I do agree with Viv that an self-governed order is necessary. My canon will be that way. If they ever patch the game up fully, I'll enjoy doing a full clean playthrough again. 

[Dinerenblanc]

I found the Mage arc to be much more enjoyable. The Templar arc is kind of bland, and was pretty much what I expected. I also have to agree with the above comment that Barris is not the least bit interesting, but I do admit that Fiona isn't much better. However, Dorian's role in his respective arc trumps Cole's role by far. Don't get me wrong, Cole is a great character, but you don't spend much time with him in the Templar arc. Dorian on the other hand is with you the entire time, while providing great commentary throughout. Finally, the Mage arc's villain is a billion times more interesting.

[Sifr]

Siding with the templars: The rebel mages joins the Venatori (some people insist they were brainwashed, but there is no proof), in the epilogue they are only mentioned in the Divine part.

 

While there's no proof, it's heavily implied?

 

We know that Corypheus uses mind control on both the Red Templars via Red Lyrium, as well as on the Warden Mages. The Venatori are likewise all powerful blood mages, so having them having brainwash those in the Mage Rebellion who don't want to join willingly, would fit?

 

Dorian's statement during the attack also could be seen to infer this, "They are under the command of the Venatori, in service to something called the Elder One", although the phrasing is ambiguous?

 

We also know that Fiona takes part in the battle, which seems a tad out-of-character for her?

 

While she did agree to form an alliance with Tevinter, she did so because she believed it was the best for them and that they'd have a chance to be free as citizens of the Imperium? She was also firmly against her people being pressed into military service by the Tevinters and upset when Alexius revealed that he intended to ignore that part of the deal?

 

While I suppose that Fiona might fear that the Inquisition's alliance with the Templars might turn their sights on the Rebellion after closing the Breach, they are now severely weakened with most of their higher ups now dead and two out of three scenarios have the Templars disbanded or leashed under the Inquisition's heel? It doesn't seem likely that Fiona or many of the others in the Rebellion would consider the Templars a threat for the moment, especially enough to agree to willingly launch a pre-emptive strike against the Inquisition?

 

If the Mages actually agreed to join an army of blood mages, lead by a Darkspawn Magister and backed up by an Archdemon, without being magically influenced in some way, then I'd be deeply surprised? It's obvious that they're desperate, sure, but they're not that desperate?

[Dinerenblanc]

While there's no proof, it's heavily implied?

 

We know that Corypheus uses mind control on both the Red Templars via Red Lyrium, as well as on the Warden Mages. The Venatori are likewise all powerful blood mages, so having them having brainwash those in the Mage Rebellion who don't want to join willingly, would fit? Dorian's statement during the attack also could be seen to infer this, although it's ambiguous, "They are under the command of the Venatori, in service to something called the Elder One".

 

Finally, we know that Fiona takes part in the battle, which seems a tad out-of-character for her?

 

While she did agree to form an alliance with Tevinter, she did so because she believed it was the best for them and that they'd have a chance to be free as citizens of the Imperium? She was also firmly against her people being pressed into military service by the Tevinters and upset when Alexius revealed that he intended to ignore that part of the deal?

 

While I suppose that Fiona might fear that the Inquisition's alliance with the Templars might turn their sights on the Rebellion after closing the Breach, they are now severely weakened with most of their higher ups now dead and two out of three scenarios have the Templars disbanded or leashed under the Inquisition's heel? It doesn't seem likely that Fiona or many of the others in the Rebellion would consider the Templars a threat for the moment, especially enough to agree to willingly launch a pre-emptive strike against the Inquisition?

 

If the Mages actually agreed to join an army of blood mages, lead by a Darkspawn Magister and backed up by an Archdemon, without being magically influenced in some way, then I'd be deeply surprised? It's obvious that they're desperate, sure, but they're not that desperate?

Yeah, it is heavily implied that they were being brainwashed. It's notable even when you side with the mages, where Fiona couldn't remember asking you to ally with them.

[Cadeym]

The only thing that felt truly out of place, is when my soon to be inquisitor just... sits down and talks with Alexius. I mean.. really? I would have liked any confrontational option that didn't involve sitting down to talk with a slaver, such as "we're done here" or an ultimatum in which the inquis could demand that he left redcliff.

 

 It just felt utterly out of place, though I guess that may have been partly because I had Cassandra, Varric and Vivienne with me.

[heretica]

As I mage, siding with the templars, disbanding the templar order and telling them who's the boss now. 

 

10/10

[keesio74]

Yeah, it is heavily implied that they were being brainwashed. It's notable even when you side with the mages, where Fiona couldn't remember asking you to ally with them.

 

Fiona doesn't remember asking you for help because time was altered so that her meeting with you in Val Royeux never happened in her timeline.

 

That hokey time travel thing is one reason why I thought the mage quest was a bit lame.

[Cha0sEff3ct]

The only thing that felt truly out of place, is when my soon to be inquisitor just... sits down and talks with Alexius. I mean.. really? I would have liked any confrontational option that didn't involve sitting down to talk with a slaver, such as "we're done here" or an ultimatum in which the inquis could demand that he left redcliff.

 

 It just felt utterly out of place, though I guess that may have been partly because I had Cassandra, Varric and Vivienne with me.

Your character is not the inquisitor yet, Herald yes but what power does that hold in the moment? You're investigating and don't want to screw up getting the Mages' support. 

[Cadeym]

I guess the difference is that I didn't view Alexius as the leader of the mages. He's a tevinter magister who has invaded ferelden, enslaved alot of mages and claimed redcliff by throwing out its rightful owner.

 

Fiona may say that she is indentured, but Alexius is in ferelden, so his tevinter laws or customs have absolutely no validity. I also got the impression that she didn't actually want to be his slave.

[Inprea]

I go with the mages. The mages have done some pretty darn bad things. I can't help but think of the letter you read in the Hinterlands where the hunter saw some mages fireball some farmers the templars had just robbed of their food. However, the templars did just rob them of their food and one of the blasted templars was about to rape one of the burn victims.

 

What gets me to side with the mages is those templars are the type of people that the chantry put over them. It's no wonder that some of the mages are messed up and going nuts now that they're free. Then later there is Cole's conversations with Cassandra. One line in particular. "Not all but enough. The good templars were too afraid to stop the others." To me that reads either the templars were corrupt and abusive or cowards. The way that one just stood there even as the priest was struck Val Royeaux then walked off with the others seemed to show this.

 

To me at least the mages are victims that made some terrible choices. The templars are the perpetrators though and saving the victim is more important to me then saving the criminal.

[Lumix19]

I found the Mage arc to be much more enjoyable. The Templar arc is kind of bland, and was pretty much what I expected. I also have to agree with the above comment that Barris is not the least bit interesting, but I do admit that Fiona isn't much better. However, Dorian's role in his respective arc trumps Cole's role by far. Don't get me wrong, Cole is a great character, but you don't spend much time with him in the Templar arc. Dorian on the other hand is with you the entire time, while providing great commentary throughout. Finally, the Mage arc's villain is a billion times more interesting.

The mage arc was enjoyable because I thought Alexius was a pretty good character and the way you find out about that demon army and the assassination makes more sense (plus time magic is quite interesting).

But watching the templar quest with Envy is just excellent. Envy is such an interesting demon and the whole section with it has a fascinating psychological twist that was really good. I just love it when Envy comments on the responses you give like "Determination. Such a useful trait." Just great stuff.

That being said I still chose mage for my canon play through.

[Cha0sEff3ct]

I guess the difference is that I didn't view Alexius as the leader of the mages. He's a tevinter magister who has invaded ferelden, enslaved alot of mages and claimed redcliff by throwing out its rightful owner.

 

Fiona may say that she is indentured, but Alexius is in ferelden, so his tevinter laws or customs have absolutely no validity. I also got the impression that she didn't actually want to be his slave.

I understand wanting to pick a fight with him. It's like who is this nobody from Tevinter? But then his Venatori army took over Redcliffe and if Arl Eamon was driven out with his soldiers the Inquisition is not big enough yet to deal with them.

[Bad King]

No matter what you do, the Red Templars are still EVERYWHERE which I found to be really strange when doing my templar playthrough. At least the Venatori haven't laid claim to a whole map like the Red Templars do with Emprise du Lion, and with Alexis only being part of the Venatori, it makes sense to still have sects around. I just feel like the Red Templar presence was too big in a templar-allied playthrough. So, I prefer the mages. 

 

That's because the Kirkwall Templars went full retard (as if they weren't already moronic enough) and started using red lyrium (even though they all saw what it did to Meredith) and it spread from there. So even if the ones at Therinfal weren't corrupted, there are still plenty of other Templar groups that would have been altered following contact with the Kirkwall red lyrium.

 

Regarding which order to save, I prefer the mages as they are mostly innocent people trying to survive (who nevertheless have extraordinary powers and useful scholarship relating to the fade) while the Templars are a military organisation of people who knew the risks when they signed up. The mage quest (and its aftermath) is also better in my opinion.

[The Baconer]

That's because the Kirkwall Templars went full retard (as if they weren't already moronic enough) and started using red lyrium (even though they all saw what it did to Meredith) and it spread from there. So even if the ones at Therinfal weren't corrupted, there are still plenty of other Templar groups that would have been altered following contact with the Kirkwall red lyrium.

 

They really went and made the Templar ending from DA2 the worst one, innit.

[thesuperdarkone2]

They really went and made the Templar ending from DA2 the worst one, innit.

Really, the game heavily hinted that Hawke should side with the mages. Doesn't help that Meredith was pretty much the main antagonist.