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[Reorte]

I get what you're saying, and maybe it works for comics, but I wouldn't be really interested in a new "Mass Effect: AU".
I want to see technology developing, races maturing, old conflicts being resolved or reignited, not just a new take on the story, I can read fanfiction for this. A new franchise would be preferable in this case.

An AU can do all the things you like, just without the baggage of the ME3 ending. It just had to pretend it never happened, or at the least have "there was a Reaper war, it's over now" (although that would probably look too much like Destroy for some, even if the geth are still around).

[Vazgen]

After comparing these pictures for about half a minute, I think that the difference is mainly in the colors and perhaps point of view, not in the shape of the galaxy. I think that both pictures show the same star map more or less.

I'm not so sure. The conceptual prototype seems to show concentric circumferences, not a spiral. 

[Laughing_Man]

I'm not so sure. The conceptual prototype seems to show concentric circumferences, not a spiral. 

 

The Andromeda galaxy is also in the shape of a spiral.

 

But anyway, what's the assumption? That the same organics evolved on another galaxy in exactly the same way? Or that a large amount of refugees from the Milky Way galaxy managed to reach Andromeda somehow and crossed a mind boggling distance of dark space in the process?

[Valmar]

I get what you're saying, and maybe it works for comics, but I wouldn't be really interested in a new "Mass Effect: AU".

I want to see technology developing, races maturing, old conflicts being resolved or reignited, not just a new take on the story, I can read fanfiction for this. A new franchise would be preferable in this case.

 

Its not that I wouldn't like that. I'm just against the idea of them canonizing or further marginalizing our choices from the trilogy. I'm not optimistic that they can avoid that while still continuing where they left off. AU to me is the safer choice that alienates the least number of fans in my opinion. That doesn't mean some wouldn't be unhappy, since some are going to be unhappy no matter what, but I think it'd be even worse if they threw two of the endings out the window and did just decided you must have picted Option A. Some people genuinely like control and synthesis.

 

I'm unhappy with the way the rachni were treated, for example. But its more in a "what a wasted potential" and "Bioware lied so hard" type of way. If they had made it canon that Shepard saved the queen just so they could keep her in the game I'd be even more livid about it. Imagine if they decided that they wanted your squad ME2 to die in the suicide mission so they made that canon in ME3. So even though you saved everyone they've decided that nope, didn't happen, they all died. It'd suck.

[Vazgen]

The Andromeda galaxy is also in the shape of a spiral.

 

But anyway, what's the assumption? That the same organics evolved on another galaxy in exactly the same way? Or that a large amount of refugees from the Milky Way galaxy managed to reach Andromeda somehow and crossed a mind boggling distance of dark space in the process?

I'm completely against moving to another galaxy. I just wanted to point out that the new galaxy map does not look like the one in the trilogy. It can be all sorts of things, a graphical representation of new relay network etc. 

[Laughing_Man]

Imagine if they decided that they wanted your squad ME2 to die in the suicide mission so they made that canon in ME3. So even though you saved everyone they've decided that nope, didn't happen, they all died. It'd suck.

 

They kind of did that anyway. If you lost your saved games and relied on genesis, you had to choose between loosing some of your Squadies and losing the Normandy's crew IIRC.

[Valmar]

They kind of did that anyway. If you lost your saved games and relied on genesis, you had to choose between loosing some of your Squadies and losing the Normandy's crew IIRC.

 

That isn't the same at all.

 

That isn't an import. That doesn't change your choices. Of course non-import Shepard's won't carry all your choices.

[Undead Han]

I like to stay in the Milky Way since a very small portion has been explored

 

That would be my preference as well and for similar reasons. The only issue is that Bioware couldn't set the game in the Milky Way without also addressing the endings to Mass Effect 3, since the Crucible affected the entire relay network. As much as I'd love a direct sequel to the Shepard trilogy, Bioware has hinted that the next game won't be a direct sequel. That might rule out the Milky Way as the setting. 

[themikefest]

That would be my preference as well and for similar reasons. The only issue is that Bioware couldn't set the game in the Milky Way without also addressing the endings to Mass Effect 3, since the Crucible affected the entire relay network. As much as I'd love a direct sequel to the Shepard trilogy, Bioware has hinted that the next game won't be a direct sequel. That might rule out the Milky Way as the setting. 

Time will tell. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Since there's not going to be any save import due to the XBox One and PS4, they really don't have to worry about the ending to ME3. And seriously, they can't take into account everyone's different play throughs of the game. Get over it. People didn't rage in DAI because someone didn't get a walk-on part in the war. The endings to ME3 are so similar anyway and given that it was supposed to be the end of Shepard's story it doesn't really matter. The war is over, blah blah blah.

 

Bioware is going to do what they want to do and people will buy the next Mass Effect game. It may not be a direct sequel because they want to give people some more time to forget the ending. And once that is done. Once there is one game in between they can canonize any ending they want and move ahead because we're talking probably until 2020 before the mass effect V.

[shepskisaac]

Or that a large amount of refugees from the Milky Way galaxy managed to reach Andromeda somehow and crossed a mind boggling distance of dark space in the process?

Not that mind-boggling with the tech from Mass Effect universe. Reapers engines are capable of travelling at 30 light years per year speed and apparently don't need to discharge as they were travelling at FTL for 2 years to the Alpha Relay. If Bioware writes it so that whatever "Ark" is used utilizes reverse-engineered Reaper engine, then we're looking at around 250-year travel to Andromeda.

 

And if it's a closer galaxy, like Large Magellanic Cloud, then it goes down to around 15 years.

 

The lore already allows that to happen, including cry-genic freezing.

[Shepard-Tali]

Hi there, made an account to reply to this thread.

 

As for the setting and time for the next ME game, I really don't mind if Bioware decide to put one choice as canon, as long as the "aftermath" of the choice makes sense.

 

That said, I will be really disappointed if the next game is like a prequel, or is in an alternate Universe, as one of the major selling points of a new Mass Effect game (for me) is that I would love to find out what happened next after the big "Reaper War" and the fall out, especially how/if the Mass Relays are fixed and what happens to the races afterwards.

 

Since Shepard most probably won't be in the new one at all, which kinda upsets me because I would love to play as him again with my beloved Tali'Zorah Vas Normandy, I'd like the game to be set around 50/60 years later. That could even be pushed to like 100 years later, I'd just like to continue on with the story, with all the lore and stuff, rather than just starting again in some different galaxy. I'd like Shepard to at least be referenced, since he/she is a massive part of the history, basically being the greatest hero in galactic history. 

 

 

I do think that the game will be set in the Milky Way, or at least in a time where the civilisations have found out a way to go to different galaxies, since in the concept art there was a person wearing N7 armor and has an Omnitool. Hopefully Dark Energy comes into play, since there was a lot of foreshadowing for it, and i'm sure Bioware could use it as a plot point.

[Manc4life7]

New galaxy makes no sense, as there isn't a logical reason to find all the familiar races we know and love (or hate) in a completely new galaxy, where life will have evolved along different paths.  As for AU......just, no.  Yes comics can do it, but comics also get endless new contents dumps.  AAA game franchise like ME, not so much.  There is no reason to go AU until you have exhausted most of your original content possibilities.  ME has barely scratched the surface on the just the Milky Way.  What did we really "explore" in the original trilogy, about 20 star systems out of hundreds of billions?  Think about that for just a second.  That's like making a game where you explore this great new planet called Earth, spend an entire trilogy's worth of story on a single block of a single street in <pick whatever city you want>, then when it comes time to make a new game in the series you declare "there's nothing new left on Earth to explore - bring on the AU!".

 

The only (in my opinion, at least) way for BW to proceed with NME is to do exactly what they have already done with Dragon Age.  Come up with a slick "Mass Effect: Vault" web application, where we can tailor our post-original-trilogy galaxy state and upload it prior to starting the new game.  Some items will be tricky to incorporate without a lot of hand-waving (looking at you, synthesis), but for the most part it should be doable.   

[Linkenski]

Whatever it is, as long as it isn't a story that dabbles around in ME3's plot-threads I'm fine with that. I would dare them to try and subvert stuff from ME3 by somehow making the game take place in the same timeline, same universe but in a different galaxy or something similar, but when Aaryn Flynn comes out and says "The people on the team had a really great idea for how it could continue!" then I keep refering back to the fact that it's pretty much the same "team" that made that canon roadblock ending too. I will need to see it before I believe it.

 

But yeah, time will tell. There's a couple of months until we will have some really meaty details on the game for the first time, then I can go back to this discussion. Otherwise I think it's too early and there's not enough groundwork to really speculate on when all we still got is what we were left with at the end of ME3 and that hasn't exactly gotten us anywhere new over the last 3 years.

[Undead Han]

New galaxy makes no sense, as there isn't a logical reason to find all the familiar races we know and love (or hate) in a completely new galaxy, where life will have evolved along different paths. 

 

I think the assumption is that the Ark would contain members of all the space-faring species from the Shepard trilogy. All the familiar aliens would either be fellow passengers or their descendants.

 

The rumored two new alien species would most likely be natives of whatever slice of the universe the ark ship ends up in.

 

That is of course assuming the Ark Theory pans out.

[WarChicken78]

I'd like the Idea to scout a new galaxy. But there is one huge problem with that - without the relays travelling between the strsystems would take ages even with FTL-drive.

That is nothing that couldn't be solved with some clever writing ideas - maybe this new ship has an experimental drive core that can reach speeds almost as fast as the relays - maybe this tech has been aquired from repairing the damaged relays in aftermath of ME3?

 

So, yes, I'd like that, even that would mean a goodbye to all the beloved races we're used to. But exploring new things is always great.

[Drone223]

The problem with the new galaxy theory is that its built upon nothing but contrived writing and the series doesn't need any more of that. Add to that its just unnecessary the galaxy is a huge place so there's plenty left to explore.

Personally my money is still on an AU. Just a totally different story in the same galaxy with no shepard, no crew, same species, and no reapers.

 

 

An AU is not going to happen as it'll require a complete rewrite of most if not all of the established lore and plot points such as the genophage and geth will have to be resolved again. Not to mention the origins of the relay's will have to be explained again, there is no way biwoare is willing to do that. May as well start a new franchise instead if that's the case because it'll have nothing in common with the franchise and therefore shouldn't be called Mass Effect.

[Valkra]

Arghh I definitely don't want Mass Effect 4 to to take place before or during the events of Mass Effect 1-3. I feel like if it did, everything you do would be overshadowed by the events of the Reaper Invasion and the exploits of Shepard and crew. Even if the game doesn't dwell on Shepard, I would still know in the back of my mind that somewhere else out there, big stuff is happening without me. The entire time, I'd be like "Omg.. who cares what I'm doing, the reapers are invading!" even if it's in another galaxy. It also takes away from your ability to matter/cause change. No matter what you do, the ending has already been decided by the events of Mass Effect 3. Ideally, I'd love it if Mass Effect 4 takes place somewhere around 100 years after the events of Mass Effect 3. This will have allowed the universe to somewhat move on, but still remember what happened in the past. Plus there would still be a ton of Asari who are still alive and remember the war. Sort of like how we humans are so fascinated by WWI and WWII, despite it taking place a long time ago. More importantly, the time gap will allow new characters to create their own new stories, without having to connect to past events.

[Treacherous J Slither]

I want a game based on the krogan rebellions.

Or the rachni wars.

[008Zulu]

I think it will go something like;

 

The Reapers sent a relay and an exploratory force to Andromeda. The Big Bad there ground them in to the dirt, and the Not-Citadel-but-is-totally-a-Citadel relay falls dormant. The Continuity of Civilization protocol sends a force through a relay to Andromeda. A short time after, the pulse that knocks out the relays makes it to Andromeda and knocks out that relay too ensuring that the exploratory force is stuck there.

[Connstar]

I think it will go something like;

 

The Reapers sent a relay and an exploratory force to Andromeda. The Big Bad there ground them in to the dirt, and the Not-Citadel-but-is-totally-a-Citadel relay falls dormant. The Continuity of Civilization protocol sends a force through a relay to Andromeda. A short time after, the pulse that knocks out the relays makes it to Andromeda and knocks out that relay too ensuring that the exploratory force is stuck there.

 

Could be. Maybe an emergency-launch, as soon as the attack on earth begins!

[GriffithBlight]

I am personally leaning towards that appraoch as well. A prequel or midquel wouldn't sell as well as it could because of many people still not liking the endings to ME3. A sequel would be a headache to put in place because it would either mean :

1) Choose a cannon ending and cannon shep, alienating many fans

2) Make everything that happened in ME1-3 irrelevant no matter what you chose

 

Take all the three games, all the problems revolves in ME3 endings and its aftermaths. You can continue the game with any decision made by the player, but the last choice of ME3 just blew everything any player did so far. Things just don't cant go on if the choices are real, how would anyone write something to get any of these three options together in a timeline? I don't see how can happen.

No matter what happens in the next game or in the next trilogy, or Destroy will be the cannon, or the choice made in ME3 will not affect the galaxy, but Shepard only. Nothing can change my mind that there is Reaper a mind game in the final moments, just not certain how deep it is.

 

 

You definitely make a strong case, I wanted to point out the main challenges that the writing team would be facing

 

If ME4 is a sequel, here are my personal predictions for the canon and the context :

 

Spoiler

1) It will be set at least 150 years after ME3 in the Milky Way

2) The protagonist will be the little kid Buzz Aldrin talks to

3) The story will revolve around a lambda explorer that gets caught into something bigger than him (refering to the interview of the new lead writer on the BW blog)

4) High Ems Destroy will be the canon ending. Destroy is the only option available for lower ems playthroughs and high ems gives the shepard lives ending. Having Reapers around makes it also very hard for proper conflict to arise

5) Krogans will not have been extinguished, whether shep cured them or another cure was found after the sabotaged doesn't really matter.

6) Quarians and Geth will be both wiped out during that timeframe. (Geth because of destroyed or lack of peace, Quarians either because peace couldn't be brokered or slowly died out after coming back to Rannoch)

 

I could be totally wrong about that, but I really feel that's the most sensible way it could go. I definitely would feel bad for those who didn't pick the canon ending and were really into their choice.

 

My opinion on some your predictions:

 

1 - For the choices made in ME3 final, there's not enough time to put any of the options together.

3 - Shepard already did, its probaly gonna happen again

4 - Also my bet

5 - Agreed

6 - The Quarian-Geth conflict is important for the lore, only example of the pattern organics x synthetics in the game, will not be throw out.

 

 

I'm not so sure. The conceptual prototype seems to show concentric circumferences, not a spiral. 

 

Maybe not a galaxy, but a big nebula with lots of stars.

 

I think it will go something like;

 

The Reapers sent a relay and an exploratory force to Andromeda. The Big Bad there ground them in to the dirt, and the Not-Citadel-but-is-totally-a-Citadel relay falls dormant. The Continuity of Civilization protocol sends a force through a relay to Andromeda. A short time after, the pulse that knocks out the relays makes it to Andromeda and knocks out that relay too ensuring that the exploratory force is stuck there

 

There will be a new Big Bad for sure, maybe bigger than Reapers, or something that shows the Reapers as part of something bigger, even Leviathan.

 

And we will see Shepard in this new trilogy, we have to think about the business too, not only the plot. It will sell more if the game shows anything about Shepard, it doesn't need to be in the main plot either.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Did all that really happen?

 

Yes, but many of the details have been lost with time. It all happened so long ago.

 

Will I ever get to the stars?

 

One day my sweet.

 

What will be there?

 

Anything you can imagine. Out there are billions of stars, and around them are billions of worlds each with a story all its own.

[GriffithBlight]

Did all that really happen?

 

Yes, but many of the details have been lost with time. It all happened so long ago.

 

Will I ever get to the stars?

 

One day my sweet.

 

What will be there?

 

Anything you can imagine. Out there are billions of stars, and around them are billions of worlds each with a story all its own.

 

Maybe, maybe not. That would be worse than anything ever mentioned here.

[NCR Deathsquad]

You definitely make a strong case, I wanted to point out the main challenges that the writing team would be facing

 

I don't think the Alternate Universe (as in Earth #3421 like in comic books) is either elegant nor preferred and thanks for pointing out the comparison that people will make ! I'll now refer to this as a Reboot rather than AU hehe. As in : same setting as when you started ME1 (albeit with a very different protagonist and context), without the Reapers ever existing.

It might seem as a cop out but it would maintain the status quo between the different playthroughs !

 

You definitey nailed the problems with prequels, I really don't see Next ME being one (especially because of the more elaborate look the technology seems futuristic compared to ME3).

 

The most likely scenario like you said though is that it's going to be a sequel.

 

Spoiler

When you look at the stargazer post credit scene, it shares many similarities between with what we currently know about ME4 ! It's like the first teaser we could have.

 

 

If ME4 is a sequel, here are my personal predictions for the canon and the context :

 

Spoiler

1) It will be set at least 150 years after ME3 in the Milky Way

2) The protagonist will be the little kid Buzz Aldrin talks to

3) The story will revolve around a lambda explorer that gets caught into something bigger than him (refering to the interview of the new lead writer on the BW blog)

4) High Ems Destroy will be the canon ending. Destroy is the only option available for lower ems playthroughs and high ems gives the shepard lives ending. Having Reapers around makes it also very hard for proper conflict to arise

5) Krogans will not have been extinguished, whether shep cured them or another cure was found after the sabotaged doesn't really matter.

6) Quarians and Geth will be both wiped out during that timeframe. (Geth because of destroyed or lack of peace, Quarians either because peace couldn't be brokered or slowly died out after coming back to Rannoch)

 

I could be totally wrong about that, but I really feel that's the most sensible way it could go. I definitely would feel bad for those who didn't pick the canon ending and were really into their choice.

not sure about playing as the little kid, i doubt they will get rid of the option to play as female