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[Crucible]

I've seen many people playing the Necromancer, and to me...now that I've extensively tested various different builds, a lot of these people are not using her to the full potential.   

 

Utilizing her passives that give her massive damage output I believe she can be played way more aggressive, (high risk high reward).

 

I've never seen another Necromancer played this way, the spells I found to be synergize very well are Fade Cloak, Fade Step, and Walking Bomb, I have not landed on a good 4th yet.

 

But just to highlight what I'm talking about, this is how I'm playing her throughout the match. Three teammates get a free door...............and I'm left soloing the last room. Things go very well and you'll see how well these abilities work together in creating massive damage output.

 

[smooth_operator]

Are you the same crucible on xbox one that always plays as an AW?

[Crucible]

Are you the same crucible on xbox one that always plays as an AW?

 

Most likely, But I actually don't play AW as much as I used to, been mostly playing the Necromancer extensively. 

[actionhero112]

Interesting. Many people run this build but use Blizzard as a sort of mobile arena to proc Ice Armor and use death syphon to maintain the constant drain on your mana.  (Basically Walking Bomb - FC - FS - Blizzard)

 

I think this build might be more common than you think. 

 

Though you don't mention it yourself in your post, I also do what you do and immediately detonate my Walking bombs for the knockdown and initial virulent spread. I'm actually curious to know who does the same. 

[smooth_operator]

Most likely, But I actually don't play AW as much as I used to, been mostly playing the Necromancer extensively. 

 

If it's you then you're on my friends list, lol  (i have a different name on there)

[TMB903]

I run Fade Step, Fade Cloak, Walking Bomb and Winters Blast myself. I love it and it's versatility. I also have Deathward and 15% HOK so it's pretty much invincible as long as I play smart (Perilous).

[Shadohz]

Aren't you the same Crucible that I told should play the Necromancer more. 

[Crucible]

Those three skills are pretty common in builds I see, but it's solid. As far as your fourth, you have a few options: Winter's Grasp as you are using can syngergize well with Virulence to spread Frozen to multiple enemies and still do decent damage. Horror is great at sapping and crowd-control.

 

But Spirit Mark is god mode, so you should always use that. Like, on every class.

 

for some reason Winter's Grasp doesn't always work with Virulence, multiple times I kill an enemy that's frozen while hes surrounded and it does not spread. 

 

this happens so often I'm considering switching it out to ice mine or spirit mark. 

[smooth_operator]

I like spirit mark because I can come back to life as long as a soul is under my control.

[Crucible]

Interesting. Many people run this build but use Blizzard as a sort of mobile arena to proc Ice Armor and use death syphon to maintain the constant drain on your mana.  (Basically Walking Bomb - FC - FS - Blizzard)

 

I think this build might be more common than you think. 

 

Though you don't mention it yourself in your post, I also do what you do and immediately detonate my Walking bombs for the knockdown and initial virulent spread. I'm actually curious to know who does the same. 

 

I tried to make Blizzard work, and I probably would use it if it wasn't at the bottom of the skill tree. But there's too many useful passives you can get a lot earlier by skipping it.

 

you'll feel more powerful a lot quicker.

[TMB903]

I tried to make Blizzard work, and I probably would use it if it wasn't at the bottom of the skill tree. But there's too many useful passives you can get a lot earlier by skipping it.

Not to mention it isn't "working as intended".

[Crucible]

Aren't you the same Crucible that I told should play the Necromancer more. 

 

haha, Its possible. 

[Shadohz]

I run FC, WG, WB, and EB. You're probably asking yourself... "What? How? Energy Barrage with those skills makes no sense. Why? Scrub." That was until they saw it in action and went... holy biscuits!!!

[Drasca]

I've never seen another Necromancer played this way, the spells I found to be synergize very well are Fade Cloak, Fade Step, and Walking Bomb, I have not landed on a good 4th yet.

 

Maybe you haven't, but I have. I personally find it less time efficient than blowing them all up at once (and killing them). The FC FS option is indeed fun, just not time efficient. A good fourth would be MB or SM. Mortiel jokes about SM being god mode, because it is a running gag for him. The gag's on him because SM really is that good--if you have the mana for it initially. Self Revive ftw.

 

 

I think this build might be more common than you think.

 

Spot on. A lot of people go for blizzard and skip FC with WG. That's the cookie cutter. I broke away from that mold completely and challenged people to play differently. Hint, some people didn't like that.

 

Don't get me wrong, I do like you challenging people to play differently! Please continue.

 

for some reason Winter's Grasp doesn't always work with Virulence, multiple times I kill an enemy that's frozen while hes surrounded and it does not spread. 

 

this happens so often I'm considering switching it out to ice mine or spirit mark. 

 

You have to

 

A) Be the one to get the killing blow

Freeze status still ongoing

 

WG has a very short freeze duration. It is very likely running out before then, or someone else gets the killing blow. IM is definitely longer, especially since it requires tricks of the trade to obtain, and freeze mastery is available right next to it.

 

 

there's too many useful passives you can get a lot earlier by skipping it.

 

 

Here here, much agreed on Blizzard.

[ottffsse]

i tested something like this and other variations extensively over the last week and different play styles, for the fourth slot get mind blast if you really want to play recklesly and mobile as it has a very short cool down, and synergizes well with the other 3 abilities and you can use when you need defence and fade cloak / fade step is still on cooldown. 

[Zorinho20_CRO]

Well,I wouldn’t say it is new build,although pugs seem to prefer SM.

[Kenny Bania]

It's the same build I've been using until very recently. I swapped Fade Cloak for Mind Blast and kinda prefer that now.

[BoogymanOne]

No Ice Mine love in this thread?

 

I play alot of necro (got my banner). Tested bunch of builds. Ice mine has become a staple for me, especially when soloing perilous zones while waiting for people to join.

 

A CC + 50% damage reduction that can turn an entire pull into blocks of ice for only 35 mana? Yes please.

 

 

[ottffsse]

No Ice Mine love in this thread?

 

I play alot of necro (got my banner). Tested bunch of builds. Ice mine has become a staple for me, especially when soloing perilous zones while waiting for people to join.

 

A CC + 50% damage reduction that can turn an entire pull into blocks of ice for only 35 mana? Yes please.

 

 

ice mine is wonderful, though you do not always get benefits of pull that is why a careful management of blizzard is mostly preferable, it has less chance of error. in general there are at last  two main ways to play the class and it depends on your playstyle and preference. u can either go very mobile and focus on crowd control - that is things like winter's grasp, horror, ice mine, defensive spells like fade cloak / step and or mind blast, or you just say f it I am going to nuke eveverything in mass and take both blizzard and walking bomb, and then two defensive abilities - the later approach means you may be more stationary or at a distance. the first approach is rather unique and risky, the later the play style is I find somehow similar to the elementalist, you can debate which is more effective but at that point it comes to skill situation and party composition. 

[Robbiesan]

Nice work.

 

I think for my next build I will try: Fade Cloak, Fade Step, Walking Bomb, Ice Mine

[BoogymanOne]

ice mine is wonderful, though you do not always get benefits of pull that is why a careful management of blizzard is mostly preferable, it has less chance of error. in general there are at last  two main ways to play the class and it depends on your playstyle and preference. u can either go very mobile and focus on crowd control - that is things like winter's grasp, horror, ice mine, defensive spells like fade cloak / step and or mind blast, or you just say f it I am going to nuke eveverything in mass and take both blizzard and walking bomb, and then two defensive abilities - the later approach means you may be more stationary or at a distance. the first approach is rather unique and risky, the later the play style is I find somehow similar to the elementalist, you can debate which is more effective but at that point it comes to skill situation and party composition. 

 

I do like Blizzard, but as others have mentioned it's too far down the tree and just does not work as intended. A blizzard build isn't really complete till about level 18-20 depending on what abilities you grab.

 

When I make a build, especially for prestiging, I try to have the build "complete" at the earliest possible level. Reason is cause I get to play the finished build for more levels before I prestige and I can start solo clearing perilous zones at earlier levels instead of waiting for lobby to fill up.

 

With Ice mine builds I can start soloing perilous zones at 15-17 depending if I pick up Fade Cloak or stay with Winter's Grasp.

 

Nice work.

 

I think for my next build I will try: Fade Cloak, Fade Step, Walking Bomb, Ice Mine

 

It's a fun build. Use environments to your advantage when using Ice mine, drop it on doorways, pillars etc. where you can los ranged targets. Soon as they turn the corner and freeze, Fade cloak bomb and watch as entire pulls freezes. Fade step away onto another mine, walking bomb etc. till all dead.

 

If it's all melee pull you can just go all out on them fade step kiting from mine to mine. They won't touch you.

 

Builds I use:

 

Walking Bomb

Fade Step

Ice Mine

Winter's Grasp or Fade Cloak (whatever I'm in mood for)

 

Another pro for Ice mine is the 35 cost. That means you can chain it with Walking Bomb (65) or Winter's Grasp (65) and Fade Step (free). Can chain 3 spells on a full mana bar. It just flows smoothly.

 

And a Tip for people not getting Winter's Grasp to proc Virulence. Use WG on low health / soft targets that are near other enemies. Also lock onto your frozen targets for higher chance to get the kb so your targeting doesn't keep switching between enemies.
 

[BoogymanOne]

Made a quick video showing Ice Mine builds with Fade Cloak and Winter's Grasp.

 

Did 2 zone examples. One with Fade Cloak and One with Winter's Grasp. I actually prefer the Winter's Grasp build over Fade Cloak.

 

I play pretty conservatively on perilous. As you can see at start I don't have many promotions. Threatening though, is just rush in and kill everything.

 

Video quality pretty bad. Dunno what happened. But it's my 1st vid.

 

[Drasca]

Excellent vid! I promoted much the same in my Untouchable Ice Queen thread, sans FS, because I don't solo as much. FS is definitely the solo version. In a team environment, I'm not backtrack kiting as much, so FS isn't quite as useful for me. I think you could stand to be a little more aggressive with your fadecloak, but I'm sure you will eventually. Some of the fade stepping isn't necessary, as you could simply strafe left and right to avoid the arrows. . . but I've gotten to the point where very little hits me when I decide I want to walk away from it.

 

Yeah in order to take advantage of FC, you must be upclose, running to the enemies and FC'ing as they're swinging at you, and blowing them up that way. How to do this while on an Ice Mine? Timing + positioning of course -- both of yourself and the IM.

 

Getting used to using FC aggressively is a shift in playstyle, but one that makes you more effective.

 

Spacemonkey's motto is "Be more aggressive", and I like that motto.