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[Volksvarg]

wat

 

Generally, i'd think that if you have to understate the strengths of your opposition the argument you're trying to support isn't strong in its own right.

 

ME3 didn't give you 'a couple' of guns. There were many and a lot of them were useful and/or fun to play with. There were ones that were 'better' and a few that could be argued to be 'best,' (praise be our almighty Lord Claymore; may he guide us away from the heathen Dark Crusader), but they were fun.

 

Oi, oi oi! I actually happened to enjoy using my Crusader X on a AIU in a pseudo sniper kit with rapid fire strong shots when I was out of range of Snap Freeze! XD

 

Other than that though, this post is spot on.

[silencekills]

Oi, oi oi! I actually happened to enjoy using my Crusader X on a AIU in a pseudo sniper kit with rapid fire strong shots when I was out of range of Snap Freeze! XD

 

Other than that though, this post is spot on.

 

The prophesied battle of the gods will take place some day. Until then, we can only pray.

 

I remember discovering the downright nasty things a Crusader could do with the Vanilla Soldier since it was the thing I kept getting from weeklies for the first three or four. I then remember coming to lurk BSN (this was my first time on BSN. Generally ignored it due to its' bad reputation due to the single-player base) and was utterly confused by people complaining about getting it.

 

People started coming around waaaaaaaaaaay later after that one guy who sported the condescending/superior (he was good) attitude and the juggy icon tried to dethrone Lord Claymore and have The Dark Crusader take his rightful place, sparking a war that still threatens to end all that we know.

[CitizenThom]

Batarian Brawler alone was reason enough to play ME3MP... Biotic Charge--> Million Dollar Man --> Defy Space-Time --> Laugh uncontrollably. And when they fixed the ice detonations for the N7 Paladin? A shield bashing good time for all. I put in just over 1000 hours in part because of the recession, but mostly because the game and the PUGs I played with were awesome.

[Stinja]

Since it's been a while and maybe i'm biased though nostalgia, i dusted off my PS3, and fired up ME3MP last night... Oh My Deity(s) is it fun!

 

Went with Asari Vanguard (Harrier X crutch), joined wave 2, it was Rio (picked by host) Geth Gold, with two players in the box-o-shame, and myself and another running about outside   

Yes i was going down like a hooker at stag party (sorry PUGs), it's been a while, but showed how important actual skill was:  not ePeening, but i was literally able to solo gold with any character before, so i was kinda embarrassed.

Went well enough though, despite some cheap Geth stun-locking, and i think one of the box of shamers didn't make it to extraction (ePeen time, yes i topped score board, despite being rusty, other "outside" PUG got second).

 

Bailed out at the lobby, and soloed NovaGuard on bronze to i could practice Shockwave surfing   RAAGH! RAAAGGH!  WUB-WUB-WUB BAWOOSH!

 

So overall compared to DAMP:

 

+ more intense moment-to-moment gameplay

+ higher skill requirement 

+ less gear dependance

+ more player variety (weapon and character interactions)

+ enemy variety

+ level design, complexity and tactical interaction with players

 

- graphics

- Field of View

- loading times

- social stuff (no Sharing, YouTube uploads etc)

 

A lot is subjective, and down to what does one prefer?  But the sheer variety in gameplay is significant compared to DAMP, where most games and characters play out the same.  The main point in favour of DAMP is the generational change, but if a PS4 version of ME3MP came out (without single player at all), i'd be even more in favour of the latter.

So while the OP isn't incorrect in that an argument can be made, the statement is false (IMO obviously, as this is a subjective issue), and retrying each game has had the net effect of probably making me play less DAMP and more ME3MP.  

[SpaceV3gan]

Revisiting ME3 is always quite the experience. I remember doing so three weeks ago. Started a Gold game with a friend and I couldn't control my laugh when I saw a pug using a pink Volus with a Raptor. Just priceless.
I was playing a Krogan Shaman + Wraith and boy, that Cerberus/Goddess was intense. I didn't remember that game being so intense. The few seconds in between waves were like a well deserved room for me to breath.
When I saw that Volus nuking an enemy spawn I had to stop and ask myself what on Earth was going on; even though I had played dozens (maybe hundreds) of Speedruns in the past, it felt like it was the first time I witnessed a spawn nuker.
I was able to marginally topscore that game having burned all my consumables and without Full Extraction, but still, my e-peen was kept intact - that was what mattered. Then some friends invited me to play DAMP, I closed ME3 I haven't come back since.

Compared to ME3MP, DAMP is a tedious, demeaning and pointless game. But truth be told, the reason I play DAMP is ME3MP. Because I want to see DAMP as ME3MP spiritual successor.

[Catastrophy]

Prove me wrong then. What non ultra rares are effective on platinum difficulty?  If your biotic attacks are more powerful than your guns then why on earth would you restrict your cooldowns by carrying dead weight weapons?

Not worth the effort.

[Cette]

Probably worth noting that ME3 also has more satisfying melee combat.

[Cryos_Feron]

.... but the battle mechanics are very good as they are, and arguable more fun than MEMP.

 

I didn't read the replies but I am quite sure that many players would disagree with that.

 

Isn't it better to actually aim at enemies instead of just clicking,clicking,clicking,clicking ??

 

Isn't it better to actually notice and feel the differences between almost EVERY gun/weapon in a game?

In ME3 a different gun (even within the same category!) meant a completely new game experience. Starting with the sound,

fire-rate, type of inflicted damage, re-loading speed, accuracy (!!), weight (!!), chargeable damage?, etc.!!!

 

Don't get me started on the different characters that felt COMPLETELY different from another.

Starting with the movement speed, evade-move, melee-move, shouts, etc.

[Cryos_Feron]

sorry, I forgot to mention the different weapon mods that ACTUALLY made a difference.

Think of the Heatsink, (Thermal-)Scope, etc. and the other mods such the Geth Scanner that were a complete game-changer.

 

Instead of +5 melee defense or whatever - which nobody even notices during combat !

[quebra]

I loved the mass effect multiplayer a lot, but before I played it I was burned out on shooting guns. Every video game I played I was shooting some type of gun.  What I like about DAMP is that it has that same deep class and skill mechanic, but you're not shooting any guns or cannons.  There's certainly room to add more maps and things, but the battle mechanics are very good as they are, and arguable more fun than MEMP.

Bullhockey!  Is this a real or TROLL post?

 

There are NO battle mechanics in DAMP... There's no hit location dmg tracking, no cover system, no nuthin.  Seriously, DAMP is complete weak sauce by comparison, it's not even DIABLO good.

 

Go back and play ME3MP, it won't take long to see the differences... Hell DAMP plays like a mobile game 

[smooth_operator]

wat

 

Generally, i'd think that if you have to understate the strengths of your opposition the argument you're trying to support isn't strong in its own right.

 

ME3 didn't give you 'a couple' of guns. There were many and a lot of them were useful and/or fun to play with. There were ones that were 'better' and a few that could be argued to be 'best,' (praise be our almighty Lord Claymore; may he guide us away from the heathen Dark Crusader), but they were fun. Unlocking a new weapon had weight to it and had more relevance since they were named and you were upgrading them; this not even mentioning that they were much easier to unlock. There were different classes of weapons with their own stats, feels, and techniques. The different ways guns operated and interacted with your abilities changed the way YOU operated in-game

 

Compare this to DAMP where the main difference between one weapon of its' class and another is damage and maybe the chance to activate an ability. There isn't really a different feel to be had. Once you've got the BIS(s) you don't really have a reason to return to that dirk. Weapons aren't really their own thing, they just determine your skill damage. You generally don't want to be auto-attacking.

 

'1 or 2 special moves...' is not entirely accurate either. Each character had three abilities (and one 'health' tree) to choose from. Each of these skills also had branching paths for it to evolve. Instead of giving every character seven abilities you were given points to distribute among those four. There weren't as many skills per character, but what was there was more involved. Maybe its' preference, liking having the choice between a bunch of skills knowing that you can't switch skills after selecting them, but to say it's outright better?

 

And you spam the same four skills in DAMP (or keep one for special purpose like, surprise, ME3MP) so I don't know where you intended to go with that...

 

'All biotic attacks are very similar.' That's just, I mean, that isn't even true. This is a ridiculous statement.

 

'In DAMP you get a lot of different attacks and special moves to choose from.' As you do in ME3MP, except that you played a different character with their own skill-set. Or changed your ability progression to mix it up. 

 

'It's a deeper skill tree than ME3.' Again, quality vs. quantity.

 

'You couldn't even put armor on your character in ME3. ' No, no you couldn't, only change the looks. That is what the 'fitness' (or a character's equivalent) was there for. Not only increasing your shielding, but also bestowing certain boons. This, of course, ignoring the various armor abilities. To think you could do all of this without having to expend ridiculously rare materials to give your character the ability to be one-shot by enemies instead of one-shot by them. When armor decides to work properly, that is.

 

 

I think you just like DAMP better and like it more and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but to be terribly honest, from what you've said you sound like you've didn't play the game or much at all. What you've said sounds like someone looking in from the outside would say about it. Really think about it. "Oh yeah, there's just a couple of guns and you two skills every so often. Just some done to death shooter."

 

ME3MP wasn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, there were balancing problems galore (G.I., Harrier, the N7 Destroyer's rocket thing, to name a few) and skills that were broken (like the final Ice-skill evolution of the Vanilla Qunari Quarian Engineer) along with some bugs that were eventually fixed as I expect this game to do eventually, but the package was much more solid.

 

DAMP is fundamentally different. It's slower paced with more of a focus on skills than what you can do with the weapon at hand. Great for some, i'm sure, but it's hard for me to like a game when the reward for playing and winning is something that doesn't really mean much.

 

 

For me, personally, every time I start up DAMP I play two games to get a large chest and then after that it just feels like a chore. I've rehooked my PS3 up to play ME3MP pretty much immediately after doing the weekly challenges for DAMP every time after the first one. It's just too good.

 

I am absolutely right about just a couple guns. Sure you can choose from many but you can only carry two into the battle, a primary and a secondary.   If you like shooting guns then thats great. My only argument here is that if you are burned out on shooting games, and appreciate different attacks and animations/effects than DAMP could be a worthy alternative.

[ParthianShotX]

Now I'm going to have to fire up the 360 and play some ME3MP.    I liked being able to choose map and faction; I liked having an option with all factions; I liked being able to set lobby to "friends only" rather than just having public/private options.  Don't get me wrong; I'm loving DAMP but it's begun to feel grind-y faster. 

[SpaceV3gan]

I haven't entered ME3MP subforums for quite a while,  but throughout my two years playing the game, the Flamer built Geth Trooper  (a pure power caster) was generally acknowledge to be the best Platinum character there is. It could be outscored by a gunslinger Talon GI, but doing that would require way above average skills. And there are many other characters able to perform well on Platinum without relying on weapons. For instance, my highest Full Team score ever was using a Quarian Male Engineer with a Locust, arguably one of the worst weapons I could pick, but because I was playing a power-heavy character it didn't matter much.

I was never able to excel with the Fury nor the Slayer on Platinum, but I've seen many players causing utter mayhem using those score wh*ring biotic kits. And of course the N7 Paladin which anyone can use and abuse for wh*ring points without having to shoot much.

All in all, ME3MP is a hybrid shooter.

[smooth_operator]

I haven't entered ME3MP subforums for quite a while,  but throughout my two years playing the game, the Flamer built Geth Trooper  (a pure power caster) was generally acknowledge to be the best Platinum character there is. It could be outscored by a gunslinger Talon GI, but doing that would require way above average skills. And there are many other characters able to perform well on Platinum without relying on weapons. For instance, my highest Full Team score ever was using a Quarian Male Engineer with a Locust, arguably one of the worst weapons I could pick, but because I was playing a power-heavy character it didn't matter much.

I was never able to excel with the Fury nor the Slayer on Platinum, but I've seen many players causing utter mayhem using those score wh*ring biotic kits. And of course the N7 Paladin which anyone can use and abuse for wh*ring points without having to shoot much.

All in all, ME3MP is a hybrid shooter.

 

Geth Juggernaut

[TheThirdRace]

I haven't entered ME3MP subforums for quite a while,  but throughout my two years playing the game, the Flamer built Geth Trooper  (a pure power caster) was generally acknowledge to be the best Platinum character there is. It could be outscored by a gunslinger Talon GI, but doing that would require way above average skills. And there are many other characters able to perform well on Platinum without relying on weapons. For instance, my highest Full Team score ever was using a Quarian Male Engineer with a Locust, arguably one of the worst weapons I could pick, but because I was playing a power-heavy character it didn't matter much.
I was never able to excel with the Fury nor the Slayer on Platinum, but I've seen many players causing utter mayhem using those score wh*ring biotic kits. And of course the N7 Paladin which anyone can use and abuse for wh*ring points without having to shoot much.
All in all, ME3MP is a hybrid shooter.

The Geth Soldier (flamer) was the easiest Platinum build, but it wasn't the best Platinum character there is. I'd put the Turian Ghost, the EDI bot and the Fury ahead by a good enough margin. Personally, but I've never seen someone outscore me 2 games in a row while I use the Fury on any difficulty. I usually got about 50% of all the kills for the game, she's really that amazing.

[SpaceV3gan]

The Geth Soldier (flamer) was the easiest Platinum build, but it wasn't the best Platinum character there is. I'd put the Turian Ghost, the EDI bot and the Fury ahead by a good enough margin. Personally, but I've never seen someone outscore me 2 games in a row while I use the Fury on any difficulty. I usually got about 50% of all the kills for the game, she's really that amazing.

See, now you are telling me that a pure power caster character can outscore another. How can ME3 be considered a pure shooter by some people here.

[TheThirdRace]

See, now you are telling me that a pure power caster character can outscore another. How can ME3 be considered a pure shooter by some people here.

Those that consider ME3MP a pure shooter don't know what they're talking about. I'll admit it's more a shooter than an RPG, but damn it's so far from any Titan Falll, COD, Battlefield, Crysis, etc., I wouldn't even dream of putting ME3MP in the same category.... because ME3MP was so much better, but that's just my opinion

On another note, I just played 2 games of ME3MP tonight. Damn my first game was rough! I kept pressing SHIFT to run... Still finished first by less than 15k, my second game was much better with having a bit more than 75k over the second rank playing with the very same players as the first game. This game was so good, wait... it's still is! Why am I playing DAMP again?

[Stinja]

Those that consider ME3MP a pure shooter don't know what they're talking about. I'll admit it's more a shooter than an RPG

 

 

ME1 was much more RPG, and i personally liked it much more than ME3 single player.  

 

ME3MP was very well done as a "shooter" though, which had a variety of play styles in the one game:  playing like a 3rd person cover shooter was viable;  playing like a non-cover 3rd person shooter (right hand advantage, run n gun) was viable;  playing melee characters was viable;  playing space-magic characters was viable.

 

On platinum it was more optimal for the team to go all biotics (re: interference) or all tech, with guns mostly doing damage, but on gold or lower you could definitely play it without shooting guns at all.  Not a pure shooter IMO.

 

 

I suppose you could argue DAMP is a shooter too  given ranged outpaces melee.

[CitizenThom]

The Fury on platinum is pretty awesome, you play pretty much on the edge of death the whole match...you screw up just a pinch and you're instantly toast, but otherwise you're pretty much Jack in full rage mode tearing through some prison ship. My highest score performance was with the Fury for a couple weeks (memory recalls something like 130k-140k, so not as good as the master race, but certainly my best performance), and then I just started slipping up too much...

[veramis]

Just played three games of ME3 today after an over 2-year sojourn away from it. Team watching each others backs, reviving each other, and sticking together for missions and extraction, with no one abandoning me even though my first game of the day was trying out Fury for the first time, getting carried a lot, and going down over 15 times, but we still made full extraction (just barely ). In the third game someone decided to get ganked super fast to a phantom but it was still very satisfying when the remaining three extracted because of how well we timed getting to the extraction point. All three games, I was so excited I could feel my heart pounding. Can't recall when that ever happened in da3mp.

[ALTBOULI]

Just played three games of ME3 today after an over 2-year sojourn away from it. Team watching each others backs, reviving each other, and sticking together for missions and extraction, with no one abandoning me even though my first game of the day was trying out Fury for the first time, getting carried a lot, and going down over 15 times, but we still made full extraction (just barely ). In the third game someone decided to get ganked super fast to a phantom but it was still very satisfying when the remaining three extracted because of how well we timed getting to the extraction point. All three games, I was so excited I could feel my heart pounding. Can't recall when that ever happened in da3mp.

I also played a couple of games on ME3 this today, there's just so much variety in that game and you can experiment a lot more with builds/ weapons etc. I still like DAMP but ME3 kept me entertained for 3 years, I don't see DAMP keeping my attention for nearly as long unless Bioware make some pretty significant changes 

[ALTBOULI]

Could we move the ME3 circle jerk to the ME3 forums please? Thanks!

Or you could ignore this thread if you don't like it

[Kenny Bania]

Deleted posts? biower pls!

[HeroicMass]

Or you could ignore this thread if you don't like it

 

no bioware fan is allowed to discuss another bioware game they enjoy on the bioware forums.  rule 7.2

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

If I hadnt sold my xbox 360, I would be playing MEMP right now.

I only got a PS4 cos Warframe was the closest thing I could find to MEMP next gen.