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[Augustei]

In DA2 we bump into Alistair or Stroud fighting the Qunari in Kirkwall and then if we ask them for help they say they can't get involved and that they are involved in something "more important than A Qunari Invasion". 
My question is, what was this exactly? We never seem to have found this out? It couldn't have had anything to do with Corypheus since its possible he wasn't even awake yet. I'm want to find out what the heck they were up to and why they were stopping over in Kirkwall (Their nearest chapter house is nowhere near Kirkwall, its up in Ansburg)

Then there's the mission where we get the letters for Weisshaupt from Avernus, We find out somebody has killed the Warden messenger and something suggests someone is targeting the Wardens but we never found out who?Once again this occurs in Act I so Corypheus is likely not awake yet, especially in most peoples cases since they played Legacy in act 2 or 3. 

So whats going on with the Wardens? Who is targeting them and what was this business of theirs more important than a Qunari invasion that brought them through Kirkwall? Do you think we will ever find out, or do you think these plots will just be forgotten?

 

[Sifr]

I figured it was probably something to do with the Primeval Thaig?

 

We know that the location has been lost several times on purpose over the centuries and that the Wardens have extensive maps of the area, so it could have been that the Wardens were already aware of the place and the danger posed by the Red Lyrium inside, so were naturally very concerned that it'd been found by outsiders and it's existence revealed to the world?

 

Even though Varric admits that the location was kept need to know by the people on the expedition, the damage had been done because it became well-known that they'd found a horde of treasure they found within, which would have probably spurred on a goldrush to try and find it? We see in Act 2 (unless a save with Nathaniel is imported, because for some reason it was mutually exclusive) that there are some dwarves attempting a copycat expedition of their own to find the Thaig?

 

If the Wardens indeed knew of it, then it's possible that this is how Corypheus found out about it, since both his potential vessels at the end of Legacy are high enough within in the ranks of the Wardens (a former Warden-Commander and a Senior Warden) to have been privy to that information?

 

While we don't know how his possession worked, it's possibly he was somehow able to glean this information from their memories? Cole seems to back this up by implying that the host's minds aren't entirely overwritten in dialogue after you learn about Corypheus soul-surfing, mentioning that's why he always felt like he was more than one person?

[thats1evildude]

The Warden's mysterious allies were Erimond and the rest of his Tevinter cronies.

The Warden moving through Kirkwall was likely investigating Corypheus.

[caradoc2000]

In DA2 we bump into Alistair or Stroud fighting the Qunari in Kirkwall and then if we ask them for help they say they can't get involved and that they are involved in something "more important than A Qunari Invasion". 
My question is, what was this exactly?

"Fridays is poker night"
Cornelius Grim, Fable 2

[Augustei]

I figured it was probably something to do with the Primeval Thaig?

 

We know that the location has been lost several times on purpose over the centuries and that the Wardens have extensive maps of the area, so it could have been that the Wardens were already aware of the place and the danger posed by the Red Lyrium inside, so were naturally very concerned that it'd been found by outsiders and it's existence revealed to the world?

 

Even though Varric admits that the location was kept need to know by the people on the expedition, the damage had been done because it became well-known that they'd found a horde of treasure they found within, which would have probably spurred on a goldrush to try and find it? We see in Act 2 (unless a save with Nathaniel is imported, because for some reason it was mutually exclusive) that there are some dwarves attempting a copycat expedition of their own to find the Thaig?

 

If the Wardens indeed knew of it, then it's possible that this is how Corypheus found out about it, since both his potential vessels at the end of Legacy are high enough within in the ranks of the Wardens (a former Warden-Commander and a Senior Warden) to have been privy to that information?

 

While we don't know how his possession worked, it's possibly he was somehow able to glean this information from their memories? Cole seems to back this up by implying that the host's minds aren't entirely overwritten in dialogue after you learn about Corypheus soul-surfing, mentioning that's why he always felt like he was more than one person?

Yeah but in the next act we see Nathaniel lead the expedition not stroud, I suppose they could have been in Kirkwall to talk to Bartrand which is where they got their info, but he is potentially dead before the end of ACT II so it couldn't be that, So they must have already gotten their info from him. 
As to the leaking of the thaig's location, didn't we find out it was Bianca that caused that in DAI?

The Warden's mysterious allies were Erimond and the rest of his Tevinter cronies.

The Warden moving through Kirkwall was likely investigating Corypheus.

How could it be Erimond / Corypheus when Corypheus is possibly not even awakened yet?
And Erimond has no reason to seek out the Wardens prior to allying with Corypheus

[thats1evildude]

 

How could it be Erimond / Corypheus when Corypheus is possibly not even awakened yet?
And Erimond has no reason to seek out the Wardens prior to allying with Corypheus

 

Keep in mind that regardless of when you played Legacy, it occured at an indeterminate time during the decade Hawke spent in Kirkwall. Varric simply links it to the point in the game that you're currently at.

 

In truth, I think Legacy actually occured in the dead three years between Act 1 and Act 2, despite my doing it mid-Act 2.

[TEWR]

 

 

The Warden's mysterious allies were Erimond and the rest of his Tevinter cronies.

The Warden moving through Kirkwall was likely investigating Corypheus.

 

I highly doubt that the Wardens would've been allied with Erimond at that point in time, considering that Nathaniel's reluctance to speak on it is more a matter of something that he fears might jeopardize the Wardens' standing. And while Erimond's a part of a cult and an *******, Nathaniel could've easily deflected it away by just saying "friends from Tevinter".

 

Besides, you'd also have to figure how they would've gotten that information in the first place.

 

I still believe it was the Darkspawn he was talking about, that is to say the Awakened Darkspawn -- even though he ends up talking about the Architect rather freely, which is the major kink in this hose I'll admit.

 

 

In truth, I think Legacy actually occured in the dead three years between Act 1 and Act 2, despite my doing it mid-Act 2.

 

 

Impossible, as Merrill will note that three years pass by in a comment of hers, asking if it's going to be a regular thing that Hawke goes into the Deep Roads every three years.

[Master Warder Z_]

"Fridays is poker night"
Cornelius Grim, Fable 2

I miss him

[Fireheart]

I'm frankly surprised there are people who take everything said in these games so seriously. I never paid a second thought to what Alistair (in my case, Stroud) said during the Qunari invasion. You want my answer? Bioware came up with some random excuse Alistair/Stroud could give Hawke so they don't have to have the Warden character assist in the battle. I took it as Bioware just adding that in there so Hawke could see their Grey Warden sibling again, or to show their choice in Origins, leaving Alistair a GW, actually had some impact. Does Stroud even still show up if you don't have a GW sibling? Idk. And the Avernus documents, I feel like this will be addressed in an upcoming Warden dlc, or the next game. The fact that it seemed like someone was out to kill grey wardens, who cares? Could've just been some random bandits who think GWs have a lot of coin on them so they make good prey.

 

Point is: Don't think too hard about this stuff.

[CuriousArtemis]

Impossible, as Merrill will note that three years pass by in a comment of hers, asking if it's going to be a regular thing that Hawke goes into the Deep Roads every three years.

And Fenris will comment on the results of his Act 2 romance with Hawke.

[leaguer of one]

The Warden's mysterious allies were Erimond and the rest of his Tevinter cronies.

The Warden moving through Kirkwall was likely investigating Corypheus.

I don't think so. The cory event can happen after the uprising.

[Rhidor]

Most likely was a way to possibly show Alistair and your sibling again.

 

It can't have anything to do with Corpypheus or the artificial Calling, as all that stuff happened 4 years later.

 

Sadly a plot that was forgotten. I'm quite certain something was planned but ultimately scrapped, and we're most likely not see it again seeing that it happened so long ago.

[thats1evildude]

 

Impossible, as Merrill will note that three years pass by in a comment of hers, asking if it's going to be a regular thing that Hawke goes into the Deep Roads every three years.

 

Keep in mind, again, that Varric is telling this story and amending the details to fit that point in Hawke's life.

[Augustei]

I'm frankly surprised there are people who take everything said in these games so seriously. I never paid a second thought to what Alistair (in my case, Stroud) said during the Qunari invasion. You want my answer? Bioware came up with some random excuse Alistair/Stroud could give Hawke so they don't have to have the Warden character assist in the battle. I took it as Bioware just adding that in there so Hawke could see their Grey Warden sibling again, or to show their choice in Origins, leaving Alistair a GW, actually had some impact. Does Stroud even still show up if you don't have a GW sibling? Idk. And the Avernus documents, I feel like this will be addressed in an upcoming Warden dlc, or the next game. The fact that it seemed like someone was out to kill grey wardens, who cares? Could've just been some random bandits who think GWs have a lot of coin on them so they make good prey.

 

Point is: Don't think too hard about this stuff.

Don't pay attention to parts of the plot, got it. Now how do I decide what to ignore and what to listen to?

[Nimlowyn]

I think there is more going on with the Wardens, and this points to things we'll discover in DA4. 

[TEWR]

 

 

Does Stroud even still show up if you don't have a GW sibling? Idk.

 

Yes, he does

 

 

 

 The fact that it seemed like someone was out to kill grey wardens, who cares? Could've just been some random bandits who think GWs have a lot of coin on them so they make good prey.

 

No, they weren't thinking that. Their comments specifically spell out that they were hired to do the job by someone.

 

"Orders are clear. No witnesses"

 

"There's coin for each scroll we deliver intact."

 

And another comment indicating that they were hired by someone to take out Wardens and gather their items, but I can neither recall what it was nor seem to find a good video that has it (but then it's late and I'm heading to bed now because I have work in the morning).

[Augustei]

Yes, he does

 

 

No, they weren't thinking that. Their comments specifically spell out that they were hired to do the job by someone.

 

"Orders are clear. No witnesses"

 

"There's coin for each scroll we deliver intact."

 

And another comment indicating that they were hired by someone to take out Wardens and gather their items, but I can neither recall what it was nor seem to find a good video that has it (but then it's late and I'm heading to bed now because I have work in the morning).

It was Avernus's research notes on the stuff found in the Architects base, talking about some amazing breakthrough he's had and how it needs to get to the first warden at once. It also contains a vial of Avernus's formula.

[TEWR]

It was Avernus's research notes on the stuff found in the Architects base, talking about some amazing breakthrough he's had and how it needs to get to the first warden at once. It also contains a vial of Avernus's formula.

 

oh i know that. I meant the bandits had another comment in the quest itself