I enjoy seeing beautiful women in:
* Interactive simulations (Bioware games).
* Hollywood movies.
* Art in general.
Does being attracted to beautiful women make me shallow?
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#3
Posté 25 février 2015 - 07:02
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yes. you should love fatties too.
#5
Posté 25 février 2015 - 07:03
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Not really. Natural hormones and all that. No different to a girl being attracted to a handsome guy
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Posté 25 février 2015 - 07:09
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#9
Posté 25 février 2015 - 07:09
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Yes, it does make you shallow.
You should have no concept of beauty and accept whatever everyone else calls beautiful as your own definition.
You should have no concept of beauty and accept whatever everyone else calls beautiful as your own definition.
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Posté 25 février 2015 - 07:10
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I enjoy seeing beautiful women in:
* Bioware games
Uh... what? I guess the face rigs can look attractive in some positions but....
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Posté 25 février 2015 - 07:10
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It's something else that makes you shallow.
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Posté 25 février 2015 - 07:13
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No... it's okay that you get attracted to us me 
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Posté 25 février 2015 - 07:17
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I ain't into S and M, but my whip's off the chain A little drop of candy paint drips off the frame Twisted-ass mind, got a pretzel for a brain An eraser for a head, fuckin' pencil for a frame
Ok, I'm done for now
Ok, I'm done for now
#16
Posté 25 février 2015 - 07:18
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I don't think it makes you shallow. I think it makes you human.
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Posté 25 février 2015 - 07:22
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No... it's okay that you get attracted to
usme
obviously. 
#18
Posté 25 février 2015 - 07:23
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No, but if all you see in a woman is appearance than yes.
And also,
Thank you based Dragon Age forum for another treasure.
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Posté 25 février 2015 - 07:27
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No... it's okay that you get attracted to
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Yeah but you are cheating. There is beautiful. Then there is you.
Youre a whole new level
#21
Posté 25 février 2015 - 07:49
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Abusive anti-feminist white male cisgendered hetero detected!
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Posté 25 février 2015 - 07:52
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No, but if all you see in a woman is appearance than yes.
Aye.
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Posté 25 février 2015 - 07:56
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I enjoy seeing beautiful women in:
* Interactive simulations (Bioware games).
* Hollywood movies.
* Art in general.
It makes you a real man, son. And before you ask, yes, it's perfectly fine to like a nice set of jugs and a nice round firm bum too.
#24
Posté 25 février 2015 - 07:56
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In a more serious response to the question, especially in the vein of beautiful women in Bioware games, I think it may be a larger question to ponder. I should preface this to say that I am, as a general rule, against the circus pagent around romances and that type of content in Bioware games and would advise Bioware to get out of the practice if at all possible. That being said, read below.
DA:I has seen some complaints about its lack of "hot" LI options for straight male players. While I personally don't find Cassandra or Jospehine particularly ugly, it was a stated, intentional move by the artist team to create the look of the characters to complement and convey their characters. Cassandra was drawn with hard facial bone lines, instead of softer angular ones, to show And emphasize her hardened personality. Similar attempts to use physical deviations were done with Josephine, including a slightly crook nose and a bit of an overbite, which help to convey less of a super-model type figure and one which may actually be realistically stunned that the Inquisitor really WAS flirting and hitting on her during their romance. Sera was also made to look somewhat impish, with a flat nose, boxish face and often sour demeanor and tone to match her usually chaotic behavior.
This tactic, to use small physical flaws to help build the character rather than more streamlined, symmetrical, Golden Ratio beauty, is an interesting one. However, given some of the complaints, I feel like it was not executed like it should have been.
1) This treatment was not applied across the board.
Morrigan and Leliana look like 20 year old super models, despite being over a decade older and possibly having kids. Yet other female characters are given quirks and defects in an attempt at realism and character depth. Similarly, Cullen actually is the best looking he's been so far in the series (from an objective straight male's perspective I suppose), while Dorian is a mustached Kal Drago. Even Viviene, romanceable by no one, is given the appearance of a classical beauty (minus the shaved head, of course).
If all characters were given quirky noses or somewhat effeminate jaw lines or teeth that didn't appear as if there was the equivalent of Thedosian magical orthodontists, this may have been less of a clash. But instead, the player is given classically beautiful Inqiisition members, but is only allows to pursue the less-classically beautiful ones.
However, I think it is more than that. Which leads us into...
2. The Technology Isn't There
This is where I think the issue lies.
The Uncanny Valley, the area where graphical realism is approached so closely that it actually looks WORSE by comparison to real life, is a constant struggle in video game development. Making characters look real and alive, instead of life-like puppets on strings, is a very difficult task.
Looking at the characters of Inqisition, one cannot argue that they are very realistically rendered, with the best modeling in the series thanks to the Frostbite engine. However, when rendering characters that are either super-model beautiful or who are generic NPCs, the difficulty may be different (and, indeed, HIGHER) than trying to combine elements of the two. Creating a character who conforms to our ideals of traditional beauty, while also making "disposable" NPCs who are forgettable and unremarkable, may be more of a straightforward task than taking someone who would be otherwise traditionally beautiful and introducing mundane quirks.
It could be that just as computer artists struggled to capture traditional beauty in video game form (with many failures - pyramid boob Lara Croft from PS1 days, I'm looking at you), maybe there is a struggle now to capture slight imperfections and faults in a way that makes them endearing and cute and that doesn't, instead, make them look marred and non-attractive. If that is the case, then these flawed beautiful characters may actually be more repulsive than the standard, nearly-faceless NPCs. Because the challenge is to create beauty that is able to cross the Uncanny Valley, but then make it more realistic by including natural, everyday imperfections, these attempts may actually slide the effect of the character's appearance right back into the unnatural realm of appearance, making otherwise normal features appear to be grossly apparent.
Just a thought.
DA:I has seen some complaints about its lack of "hot" LI options for straight male players. While I personally don't find Cassandra or Jospehine particularly ugly, it was a stated, intentional move by the artist team to create the look of the characters to complement and convey their characters. Cassandra was drawn with hard facial bone lines, instead of softer angular ones, to show And emphasize her hardened personality. Similar attempts to use physical deviations were done with Josephine, including a slightly crook nose and a bit of an overbite, which help to convey less of a super-model type figure and one which may actually be realistically stunned that the Inquisitor really WAS flirting and hitting on her during their romance. Sera was also made to look somewhat impish, with a flat nose, boxish face and often sour demeanor and tone to match her usually chaotic behavior.
This tactic, to use small physical flaws to help build the character rather than more streamlined, symmetrical, Golden Ratio beauty, is an interesting one. However, given some of the complaints, I feel like it was not executed like it should have been.
1) This treatment was not applied across the board.
Morrigan and Leliana look like 20 year old super models, despite being over a decade older and possibly having kids. Yet other female characters are given quirks and defects in an attempt at realism and character depth. Similarly, Cullen actually is the best looking he's been so far in the series (from an objective straight male's perspective I suppose), while Dorian is a mustached Kal Drago. Even Viviene, romanceable by no one, is given the appearance of a classical beauty (minus the shaved head, of course).
If all characters were given quirky noses or somewhat effeminate jaw lines or teeth that didn't appear as if there was the equivalent of Thedosian magical orthodontists, this may have been less of a clash. But instead, the player is given classically beautiful Inqiisition members, but is only allows to pursue the less-classically beautiful ones.
However, I think it is more than that. Which leads us into...
2. The Technology Isn't There
This is where I think the issue lies.
The Uncanny Valley, the area where graphical realism is approached so closely that it actually looks WORSE by comparison to real life, is a constant struggle in video game development. Making characters look real and alive, instead of life-like puppets on strings, is a very difficult task.
Looking at the characters of Inqisition, one cannot argue that they are very realistically rendered, with the best modeling in the series thanks to the Frostbite engine. However, when rendering characters that are either super-model beautiful or who are generic NPCs, the difficulty may be different (and, indeed, HIGHER) than trying to combine elements of the two. Creating a character who conforms to our ideals of traditional beauty, while also making "disposable" NPCs who are forgettable and unremarkable, may be more of a straightforward task than taking someone who would be otherwise traditionally beautiful and introducing mundane quirks.
It could be that just as computer artists struggled to capture traditional beauty in video game form (with many failures - pyramid boob Lara Croft from PS1 days, I'm looking at you), maybe there is a struggle now to capture slight imperfections and faults in a way that makes them endearing and cute and that doesn't, instead, make them look marred and non-attractive. If that is the case, then these flawed beautiful characters may actually be more repulsive than the standard, nearly-faceless NPCs. Because the challenge is to create beauty that is able to cross the Uncanny Valley, but then make it more realistic by including natural, everyday imperfections, these attempts may actually slide the effect of the character's appearance right back into the unnatural realm of appearance, making otherwise normal features appear to be grossly apparent.
Just a thought.
#25
Posté 25 février 2015 - 08:04
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No, not anymore shallow than a woman who visually appreciates good looking men. Good looking men with kittens are an added plus:
I think the problem of shallowness arises, for either men or women, when outward beauty is seen as the main thing that defines a person's worth.
I think the problem of shallowness arises, for either men or women, when outward beauty is seen as the main thing that defines a person's worth.
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