YES!!! That too IT is a great way to see the ending
I think one reason why I like IT so much is that Shepard is a hero and she/he has united every species to fight against a common enemy and I think it's expected that Shepard will be the only who can defeat that enemy because she/he is Shepard but that is not the case instead the final battle is just Shepard trying break free from indoctrination. So if that is true then the whole battle against reapers is more personal to Shepard and the story is not a story about an invincible soldier who saved the galaxy but instead story of a man/woman who break free from indoctrination.
It's true that if IT would be true then the reaper conflict isn't resolved in ME3. You don't know what happened. Did the cycle continue and all the organics were wiped out or did the people find another way to defeat the reapers. But if you think that the whole ME3 was a story about Shepard's struggle against indoctrination then you will know how that ended and it really doesn't matter what happened to reapers.
1. Still aint shown me no proof of this supposed "original plan", just more of your "speculation" bro.
So ME1 is lying, and the plan was always for Sovereign to dock with the Citadel to open the relay? You're not making any sense. Surely you know that the whole plot is about the Prothean scientists forcing Sovereign to improvise something.
2. So west world is Irrational thus goes against your statement yet is still a cult classic in the scifi world thanks
A story about a technological failure doesn't go against my statement at all. I can try to walk you through it if you're really unable to understand the point. The shorthand version is that what's going on in Westworld is understandable. It's meaningless in the same way that a car crash is meaningless, but the reasons for the event are clear.
3. Robots that don't evolve are supposed to produced evolved ideas lol.
Evolved ideas? Like what? What evolved ideas are organics coming up with that are useful to Reapers?
Yeah, I know you don't know. And you don't think you need to know, because the whole point here is to come up with a mystical handwave to preserve the mystery of the Reapers.
4. It's not just MEU lore its the facts of evolution, nothing "silly" about it lol.
Sure, it's silly. More technology imposes a different set of conditions on you, it doesn't bring you to some sort of nirvana where you're beyond all needs and desires. And if your technology ever did get good enough to bring you to that nirvana point -- I don't think that's possible or even coherent, but nevermind -- imposing artificial limitations on yourself wouldn't help you get past the nirvana point, because there isn't anything past it.
4a. So Reapers would match the organics by thousands of cycles? Strange how it required thousands of cycles worth of organic input for the reapers to then have an alternative to their harvesting cycles huh!? Coz of course they can't possible learn anything new from these lower intelligence organic lifeforms right?
As plainly stated by the Catalyst, they did think of the alternative. They just couldn't do it because reasons.
B.S.? Sure. Remember, I'm not saying that the game as written makes sense. I'm saying that your alternative is worse.
I think one reason why I like IT so much is that Shepard is a hero and she/he has united every species to fight against a common enemy and I think it's expected that Shepard will be the only who can defeat that enemy because she/he is Shepard but that is not the case instead the final battle is just Shepard trying break free from indoctrination. So if that is true then the whole battle against reapers is more personal to Shepard and the story is not a story about an invincible soldier who saved the galaxy but instead story of a man/woman who break free from indoctrination.
It's true that if IT would be true then the reaper conflict isn't resolved in ME3. You don't know what happened. Did the cycle continue and all the organics were wiped out or did the people find another way to defeat the reapers. But if you think that the whole ME3 was a story about Shepard's struggle against indoctrination then you will know how that ended and it really doesn't matter what happened to reapers.
Well I see it as Shepard battled indoctrination and won and as that weakened Harbinger or the Catalyst which was attempting the indoctrination it gave the opportunity for the never done before united galaxy to defeat the reapers.
So ME1 is lying, and the plan was always for Sovereign to dock with the Citadel to open the relay? You're not making any sense. Surely you know that the whole plot is about the Prothean scientists forcing Sovereign to improvise something.
A story about a technological failure doesn't go against my statement at all. I can try to walk you through it if you're really unable to understand the point. The shorthand version is that what's going on in Westworld is understandable. It's meaningless in the same way that a car crash is meaningless, but the reasons for the event are clear.
Evolved ideas? Like what? What evolved ideas are organics coming up with that are useful to Reapers?
Yeah, I know you don't know. And you don't think you need to know, because the whole point here is to come up with a mystical handwave to preserve the mystery of the Reapers.
Sure, it's silly. More technology imposes a different set of conditions on you, it doesn't bring you to some sort of nirvana where you're beyond all needs and desires. And if your technology ever did get good enough to bring you to that nirvana point -- I don't think that's possible or even coherent, but nevermind -- imposing artificial limitations on yourself wouldn't help you get past the nirvana point, because there isn't anything past it.
As plainly stated by the Catalyst, they did think of the alternative. They just couldn't do it because reasons.
B.S.? Sure. Remember, I'm not saying that the game as written makes sense. I'm saying that your alternative is worse.
1.Bro come at me with facts, evidence and stop the speculation of ME1 and Sovereign.
2. Speculating again? Do you not understand how an idea can evolve? Must I explain everything??
3. Again you are missing the point due to your speculation. When did I say the Reapers must remain a mystery? Please make sense if you're gonna reply to me lol.
4.Evolution is silly? as opposed to god creating one man and one woman and them populating the world? Bro you ain't even making sense right now.
4a. LMFAO you wanna see your own hypocrisy right here? Watch:
"The shorthand version is that what's going on in Westworld is understandable. It's meaningless in the same way that a car crash is meaningless, but the reasons for the event are clear."
"As plainly stated by the Catalyst, they did think of the alternative. They just couldn't do it because reasons."
What reason's bro? Or were they not clear thus going against your own statement regarding fantasy and scifi?
You still aint making sense bro.
Try stick to facts rather than speculation and things may become clearer for you
1.Bro come at me with facts, evidence and stop the speculation of ME1 and Sovereign. [/quote]
My bad. I assumed that you knew the basic facts of the narrative already. I guess you came in with ME3? (It is the best place to start, right?)
In brief, here's the basic plot outline. The Reaper armada is known to have emerged from a mass relay hidden in the Citadel. There was no preparatory action before this and no Reaper sighted in the vicinity. The best guess the prothean scientists had was that the keepers received some sort of a signal telling them to open the relay, though this was hypothetical since no such signal had actually been detected. Prothean scientists traveled to the Citadel via the Conduit and did something; exactly what they discovered on the Citadel and what they did there is unknowable, since the Conduit was one-way only and they were apparently unable to leave any record of their activities. The only certainties are that the standard Reaper plan did not happen this time; the relays did not open, and Sovereign has been attempting to contrive a situation where it can dock itself to the Citadel and do something. As before, the specifics of this something aren't really known, although presumably the end result would be the relay opening.
2. Speculating again? Do you not understand how an idea can evolve? Must I explain everything??
I guess you'd better explain what you mean. I don't even know what you're responding to here, let alone what point you're attempting to make.
3. Again you are missing the point due to your speculation. When did I say the Reapers must remain a mystery? Please make sense if you're gonna reply to me lol.
I assumed that you were endorsing the point made in this article, since you quoted it with approval. If you don't actually believe what this guy was saying, we can drop the "mystery" topic.
4.Evolution is silly? as opposed to god creating one man and one woman and them populating the world? Bro you ain't even making sense right now. [/quote]
Evolution stopping is silly. I don't know where you pulled that creationism silliness from.
4a. LMFAO you wanna see your own hypocrisy right here? Watch:
"The shorthand version is that what's going on in Westworld is understandable. It's meaningless in the same way that a car crash is meaningless, but the reasons for the event are clear."
"As plainly stated by the Catalyst, they did think of the alternative. They just couldn't do it because reasons."
What reason's bro? Or were they not clear thus going against your own statement regarding fantasy and scifi?
The reasons aren't explained beyond "it cannot be forced." A bad reason? Sure. If you want to say that this makes ME3 bad sci-fi , go right ahead. Like I already said, I'm not defending the ending.
Try stick to facts rather than speculation and things may become clearer for you
This would be a lot more credible if you were actually mentioning facts in your posts.
1.Bro come at me with facts, evidence and stop the speculation of ME1 and Sovereign.
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My bad. I assumed that you knew the basic facts of the narrative already. I guess you came in with ME3? (It is the best place to start, right?)
In brief, here's the basic plot outline. The Reaper armada is known to have emerged from a mass relay hidden in the Citadel. There was no preparatory action before this and no Reaper sighted in the vicinity. The best guess the prothean scientists had was that the keepers received some sort of a signal telling them to open the relay, though this was hypothetical since no such signal had actually been detected. Prothean scientists traveled to the Citadel via the Conduit and did something; exactly what they discovered on the Citadel and what they did there is unknowable, since the Conduit was one-way only and they were apparently unable to leave any record of their activities. The only certainties are that the standard Reaper plan did not happen this time; the relays did not open, and Sovereign has been attempting to contrive a situation where it can dock itself to the Citadel and do something. As before, the specifics of this something aren't really known, although presumably the end result would be the relay opening.
2. Speculating again? Do you not understand how an idea can evolve? Must I explain everything??
I guess you'd better explain what you mean. I don't even know what you're responding to here, let alone what point you're attempting to make.
3. Again you are missing the point due to your speculation. When did I say the Reapers must remain a mystery? Please make sense if you're gonna reply to me lol.
I assumed that you were endorsing the point made in this article, since you quoted it with approval. If you don't actually believe what this guy was saying, we can drop the "mystery" topic.
4.Evolution is silly? as opposed to god creating one man and one woman and them populating the world? Bro you ain't even making sense right now.
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Evolution stopping is silly. I don't know where you pulled that creationism silliness from.
4a. LMFAO you wanna see your own hypocrisy right here? Watch:
"The shorthand version is that what's going on in Westworld is understandable. It's meaningless in the same way that a car crash is meaningless, but the reasons for the event are clear."
"As plainly stated by the Catalyst, they did think of the alternative. They just couldn't do it because reasons."
What reason's bro? Or were they not clear thus going against your own statement regarding fantasy and scifi?
The reasons aren't explained beyond "it cannot be forced." A bad reason? Sure. If you want to say that this makes ME3 bad sci-fi , go right ahead. Like I already said, I'm not defending the ending.
Try stick to facts rather than speculation and things may become clearer for you
This would be a lot more credible if you were actually mentioning facts in your posts.
And what's with all this "bro" stuff, anyway?
Bro seriously?
Let me remind you of what I said...
"Ok maybe you don't understand how evolution works so I will explain how this will effect the technological resources...
Think of it like this... To get to the age of 20 it will be different for both me and you, imagine us as representing two different races in different cycles.
You maybe believe in "might makes right" and when you develop your space exploration vehicles they are all made with the intention of war so your specs would be different to mine which are set for exploration.
The environments we live in shape us and whatever dangers we face, resources available to us, planet we are on etc etc all effect this growth or evolution.
This would then effect what Technologies are made and for what purpose.
No growth, no evolution."
To which you replied:
OK, so you're going the full Mordin here. I suppose I can't dismiss this out of hand since it's official MEU lore -- however silly it is,
So essentially the Reapers are interested in technological advances rather than anything physical they could get from the harvests? And somehow, in the few years where the organics of a cycle are aporoaching technological parity with the Reapers, they might invent something of use? And the Reapers are too stupid to do their own inventing?
Well, OK. For a few cycles. But hundreds? Thousands?
Which then I followed up with:
"4. It's not just MEU lore its the facts of evolution, nothing "silly" about it lol."
And in that post you didn't pay attention to any of the facts I laid out so here you go.
"The Protheans' belief that they could hold their own against machine intelligence was shattered with the arrival of the Reapers in approximately 48,000 BCE, who were far more advanced than the machines the Protheans had been battling. They were caught completely off-guard by the scale and rapidity of the assault. The Reapers entered the galaxy through the Citadel, instantly decapitating the Protheans' government and disrupting the mass relay network, isolating Prothean systems from one another. Worse, records on the Citadel provided the Reapers with access to all of the Protheans' census data and star charts, allowing them to effectively track every Prothean in the galaxy."
So how are these giant starship size machines gonna access these computers that hold this data without using someone indoctrinated or docking onto the Citadel?
Still waiting for your facts about this.
As for the "Evolved Ideas" you seemed to not be able to follow it was in response to your idea that a robotic factory would be more efficient than waiting for the cycles and claiming the technology then.
The advanced machines don't evolve their Ideas. Notice that after thousands or millions of years the Reapers haven't changed shape or evolved?
So how could these advanced machines evolve ideas to create new technology?
Also...
"The Catalyst's solution dictated that all spacefaring organic and synthetic species would be harvested, with millions of bodies and minds from each race being processed and converted into new Reapers made in Harbinger's image, even as the Reapers themselves worked to destroy their civilizations. By doing this, the Reapers synthetically preserved the harvested race's genetic makeup and collective knowledge, while simultaneously allowing for more primitive races to advance."
Can't harvest something organic from a synthetic right? What would a synthetic have that a Reaper could harvest?
And when did I say evolution would stop? Can you keep up or do you have me mixed up with someone else?
And no that article never had the person saying the Reapers should remain a mystery.
You took it out of context.
Read again:
"Within minutes BioWare attempted to twist and contort an enemy that we had believed personified evil and malice for the betterment of two and a half games, into a controlled synthetic species whose actions were simply misunderstood.
Part of what made the Reapers such a well-received enemy in the past was their enigmatic nature. We knew very little about them other than the fact that they were an ancient race of colossal beings, containing immense power and with very little regard for any civilization that attempted to oppose them. Does Sovereign or Harbinger for example, uttering such phrases as, “You will know pain, Shepard” come across as beings with misconstrued intentions and who are uninterested in war? Quite the opposite. The Reapers’ characterization during the events of Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 led us to believe that they were sadistic monsters who took pleasure in bringing about the brutal and violent end of the galaxy.
Thus, it’s difficult to view the end of Mass Effect 3 and the creation of the Catalyst as anything but an artificial solution manufactured by BioWare in a desperate attempt to provide an unnecessary mythos to an enemy that was better served without it."
Yes he/she mentions the mystery was an intriguing part of them but it was the "Unnecessary Mythos" which went against the characterization that stood before that the Reapers were better off without.
Understand?
If you reply again hit me with facts and sources or I wont reply as I will just see you as a troll due to the simple fact you cannot follow a debate lol.
Well I see it as Shepard battled indoctrination and won and as that weakened Harbinger or the Catalyst which was attempting the indoctrination it gave the opportunity for the never done before united galaxy to defeat the reapers.
So the greatest weapon in that war wasn't Crucible but instead Shepard
Lol no just a "key" to victory as its the fleets which gave the finishing blow/s
Why not a weapon? Think about it! When indoctrination goes wrong Shepard's mind causes some severe errors to reapers' collective consciousness that can be fixed only by rebooting the whole system and when that happens reapers goes offline simultaneously and depending where they are they either crash somewhere or your allies can defeat them.
Why not a weapon? Think about it! When indoctrination goes wrong Shepard's mind causes some severe errors to reapers' collective consciousness that can be fixed only by rebooting the whole system and when that happens reapers goes offline simultaneously and depending where they are they either crash somewhere or your allies can defeat them.
LMAO Shepard is the blue screen of death for Reapers
I guess Shepard could be considered a weapon just like an EMP then
Gameplay? Mass Effect 3 was the best, most refined. The one issue I have with the combat is the 'sticky cover' problem.
Never had a problem with running out of ammo. Being able to aim and shoot in short bursts means not wasting ammo. Never had a problem with long cooldown times. Hint, you're not *supposed* to carry every kind of weapon with you. One, maybe two, will get you through everything.
The main plot was decent, and the major high point was definitely Tuchanka. The Cerberus sections were generally disjoint and seemed almost to be separate from the fight against the Reapers, feeling like they were put there solely to frustrate the player rather than have a real alternative point of view.
But that ending.. so very poorly presented and so very out of place with the major themes of Mass Effect as they'd developed over the course of the games. Synthetics vs. Organics was a quaternary theme at best, and suddenly it's the major one in the last few minutes?
The game was never about 'synthetics vs. organics.' It was about sapient beings trying to survive despite the genocidal threat of the Reapers. It was about forming alliances and finding strength with diversity. It was about how friendships build cooperation.
Really, the only ending that makes sense and fits the themes as actually developed in the games, is Destroy. The Reapers are technologically based zombies, a kind of animated wax museum, and there's no friendship possible with any of them.
Synthesis *looks* like it might be a good ending on the surface, but dig a little deeper and you realize that no, what it does is convert everyone into a Reaper creature, just without full huskification.
this is true with the original release of ME3. The Leviathan DLC expands this theme, explains the origin of the reapers, and makes organics vs. synthetics the source of the whole problem. ME3 is much better and makes much more sense with all the DLCs.
this is true with the original release of ME3. The Leviathan DLC expands this theme, explains the origin of the reapers, and makes organics vs. synthetics the source of the whole problem. ME3 is much better and makes much more sense with all the DLCs.
I disagree : the Leviathan DLC actually repeats what the catalyst said (the theme and the origin of the reapers), gives information that are not needed (details on the origin of the reapers), and only make explicit the organic-synthetic problem. It's like saying to the player in almost the beginning of the game : "hey ! this is how it will end, this is what it's all about!" (the foreshadowing people were asking for which already existed but people couldn't see it). Mass Effect 3 doesn't make more sense with the DLCs but these DLC were made for people like StarcloudSWG who has a very limited, so wrong interpretation of the game (the game isn't about organic and synthetics it's about friendship etc... when you hear that you're waiting the rest of the interpretation to be rainbows and unicorns) and who needed these DLCs to understand the basis.
I disagree : the Leviathan DLC actually repeats what the catalyst said (the theme and the origin of the reapers), gives information that are not needed (details on the origin of the reapers), and only make explicit the organic-synthetic problem. It's like saying to the player in almost the beginning of the game : "hey ! this is how it will end, this is what it's all about!" (the foreshadowing people were asking for which already existed but people couldn't see it). Mass Effect 3 doesn't make more sense with the DLCs but these DLC were made for people like StarcloudSWG who has a very limited, so wrong interpretation of the game (the game isn't about organic and synthetics it's about friendship etc... when you hear that you're waiting the rest of the interpretation to be rainbows and unicorns) and who needed these DLCs to understand the basis.
I think you are being rude to StarcloudSWG saying he doesn't understand the basis when the original writer has already admitted the ending given in ME3 was not what was originally planned as he had wanted to do something involving the "dark energy" which was talked about in ME2 so to say the ending was foreshadowed from ME1 is just bias bs to be perfectly honest.
I think you are being rude to StarcloudSWG saying he doesn't understand the basis when the original writer has already admitted the ending given in ME3 was not what was originally planned as he had wanted to do something involving the "dark energy" which was talked about in ME2 so to say the ending was foreshadowed from ME1 is just bias bs to be perfectly honest.
Here is a quote from the original writer (his blog):
Of course, some of you are also pinging me to find out what the “original” ending of the series was when we started planning out the trilogy. Sorry, but that’s not something I’m even going to attempt to answer. The collaborative creative process is incredibly complicated, and the story and ideas are constantly evolving as you go forward. Yes, we had a plan, but it was very vague. We knew we wanted to focus on some key themes and bring in certain key elements: organics vs synthetics; the Reapers; the Mass Relays. Beyond that, we didn’t go into detail because we knew it would change radically as the game continued to evolve.
Dark energy was introduced as a possible explanation for Reaper motives but Drew left and that idea was scrapped (for the best IMO).
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Here is a quote from the original writer (his blog):
Of course, some of you are also pinging me to find out what the “original” ending of the series was when we started planning out the trilogy. Sorry, but that’s not something I’m even going to attempt to answer. The collaborative creative process is incredibly complicated, and the story and ideas are constantly evolving as you go forward. Yes, we had a plan, but it was very vague. We knew we wanted to focus on some key themes and bring in certain key elements: organics vs synthetics; the Reapers; the Mass Relays. Beyond that, we didn’t go into detail because we knew it would change radically as the game continued to evolve.
Dark energy was introduced as a possible explanation for Reaper motives but Drew left and that idea was scrapped (for the best IMO).
So the ending wasn't predestined therefore NOT foreshadowed right?
Because you cannot foreshadow something which isn't set or is vague lol.
"Dark Energy was something that only organics could access because of various techno-science magic reasons we hadn't decided on yet. Maybe using this Dark Energy was having a ripple effect on the space-time continuum.
"Maybe the Reapers kept wiping out organic life because organics keep evolving to the state where they would use biotics and dark energy and that caused an entropic effect that would hasten the end of the universe. Being immortal beings, that's something they wouldn't want to see.
"Then we thought, let's take it to the next level. Maybe the Reapers are looking at a way to stop this. Maybe there's an inevitable descent into the opposite of the Big Bang (the Big Crunch) and the Reapers realise that the only way they can stop it is by using biotics, but since they can't use biotics they have to keep rebuilding society - as they try and find the perfect group to use biotics for this purpose. The asari were close but they weren't quite right, the Protheans were close as well.
"Again it's very vague and not fleshed out, it was something we considered but we ended up going in a different direction."
So the ending wasn't predestined therefore NOT foreshadowed right?
Because you cannot foreshadow something which isn't set or is vague lol.
Depends on how you look at it. It was not foreshadowed right from the beginning of ME1 development, because they didn't know how they're going to end it at the time. But when they figured out the way to end the trilogy, they brought in previously used themes. So now, when you consider the trilogy as one package, it is foreshadowed.
It's like introducing a character in one book and then developing his arc in the next one using one dialogue line from the first book. You might not know that you're going to use that line when writing the first one, you might just write it to flesh out the character more. But in the next book, you already have an idea for further character development and use that line as a basis. So when the reader reads the second book, he remembers that line and does not feel like that path of character development comes out of nowhere.
I'm not a writer and probably oversimplify things but that's how I think the development/writing process went.
i believe (could be wrong) that the dissatisfaction with the ending of ME3 as first released prompted the developers to expand the ending. Again if I'm not mistaken, I believe the synthesis option was added later. Some of the catalyst's dialogue was also perhaps added later. The Leviathan DLC may have influenced the expanded ending, or vice versa. I didn't pay enough attention at the time to the sequence of these events, but I think this is right. Anyone who knows better facts, chime in.
Also, the first couple of times through, I didn't have enough points to get the full endings, so my impressions may not be right.
Depends on how you look at it. It was not foreshadowed right from the beginning of ME1 development, because they didn't know how they're going to end it at the time. But when they figured out the way to end the trilogy, the brought in previously used themes. So now, when you consider the trilogy as one package, it is foreshadowed.
It's like introducing a character in one book and then developing his arc in the next one using one dialogue line from the first book. You might not know that you're going to use that line when writing the first one, you might just write it to flesh out the character more. But in the next book, you already have an idea for further character development and use that line as a basis. So when the reader reads the second book, he remembers that line and does not feel like that path of character development comes out of nowhere.
I'm not a writer and probably oversimplify things but that's how I think the development/writing process went.
Tl; dr
It is foreshadowed in the story.
And they only "worked things out" in ME3 as ME1 and ME2 were on a different path so still no foreshadowing at these stages (ME2 being the one to introduce the "Dark Energy")
I understand what you are trying to say but the problem is the characterization didn't match the ending .
"You will know pain Shepard" is not a line that fits "I have come to ascend your race, to save you from annihilation"
The two have very different intentions.
Loosely basing the end as all about the Organic vs Synthetic wars was weak and made the ending stupid as the organics were still losing to the synthetics unless you went with destroy which then tells you "the chaos will start again" which meaning the only option to defeat the synthetics is not the answer as it will just lead to a repeat performance lol.
So then the supposed right option is to give in and become one with the synthetics which apparently was foreshadowed?
Not in ME1 or ME2 I can tell you that for sure.
Everything was made for ME3 which was written to be overly dramatic which even changed what was previously established all for the sake of drama.
Thane in ME2 said he had a year before symptoms would start but in ME3 which is set 6 months after ME2 the doctors say he should have died 6 months ago!?
The writing in ME3 was bad period and only tried to make things lore in that one game.
And they only "worked things out" in ME3 as ME1 and ME2 were on a different path so still no foreshadowing at these stages (ME2 being the one to introduce the "Dark Energy")
I understand what you are trying to say but the problem is the characterization didn't match the ending .
"You will know pain Shepard" is not a line that fits "I have come to ascend your race, to save you from annihilation"
The two have very different intentions.
Loosely basing the end as all about the Organic vs Synthetic wars was weak and made the ending stupid as the organics were still losing to the synthetics unless you went with destroy which then tells you "the chaos will start again" which meaning the only option to defeat the synthetics is not the answer as it will just lead to a repeat performance lol.
So then the supposed right option is to give in and become one with the synthetics which apparently was foreshadowed?
Not in ME1 or ME2 I can tell you that for sure.
Everything was made for ME3 which was written to be overly dramatic which even changed what was previously established all for the sake of drama.
Thane in ME2 said he had a year before symptoms would start but in ME3 which is set 6 months after ME2 the doctors say he should have died 6 months ago!?
The writing in ME3 was bad period and only tried to make things lore in that one game.
You miss the point. They tied together key themes coming from ME1 and ME2. Drew said it himself (see the quote above). Organics vs synthetics is one of the key elements of the story. Basing an ending about it makes a perfect sense.
Drew thought to introduce dark energy into mix but the idea was scrapped ("it was something we considered but we ended up going in a different direction.").
Harbinger quotes aim to demoralize, not to provide insight into Reaper motivations.
Synthesis is hinted by Saren, Shepard being implanted, Overlord DLC, Legion. It did not came out of nowhere.
There is no "right" choice. Each player decides what is right for himself. Become one with technology? Stop the war but leave the Reapers in case chaos comes back and with hope to develop a new solution? Destroy the Reapers and have a galaxy-wide EMP in case the synthetics rise again? Each option has its merits and drawbacks. There is no clear "I win" scenario in the endings.
Thane could've been wrong. Or maybe his condition worsened. How is this related to the endings anyway?
i believe (could be wrong) that the dissatisfaction with the ending of ME3 as first released prompted the developers to expand the ending. Again if I'm not mistaken, I believe the synthesis option was added later. Some of the catalyst's dialogue was also perhaps added later. The Leviathan DLC may have influenced the expanded ending, or vice versa. I didn't pay enough attention at the time to the sequence of these events, but I think this is right. Anyone who knows better facts, chime in.
Also, the first couple of times through, I didn't have enough points to get the full endings, so my impressions may not be right.
Synthesis was present in the original endings. EMS requirement for Shepard's breath scene very high (unattainable without multiplayer bonuses)
Extended Cut lowered EMS requirements, fixed flashbacks (they did not account for some romance options and showed Joker every time), added new dialogue options and cutscenes.
Leviathan DLC added a few dialogue options in the final conversation. It was released after the Extended Cut.
You miss the point. They tied together key themes coming from ME1 and ME2. Drew said it himself (see the quote above). Organics vs synthetics is one of the key elements of the story. Basing an ending about it makes a perfect sense.
Drew thought to introduce dark energy into mix but the idea was scrapped ("it was something we considered but we ended up going in a different direction.").
Harbinger quotes aim to demoralize, not to provide insight into Reaper motivations.
Synthesis is hinted by Saren, Shepard being implanted, Overlord DLC, Legion. It did not came out of nowhere.
There is no "right" choice. Each player decides what is right for himself. Become one with technology? Stop the war but leave the Reapers in case chaos comes back and with hope to develop a new solution? Destroy the Reapers and have a galaxy-wide EMP in case the synthetics rise again? Each option has its merits and drawbacks. There is no clear "I win" scenario in the endings.
Thane could've been wrong. Or maybe his condition worsened. How is this related to the endings anyway?
See the problem with basing an ending on Organics vs Synthetics is that you was able to make peace between the two.
And by using Reaper tech no less lol.
Yet the Reapers couldn't use their own tech to make peace instead their only option was "Harvest" the advanced Organics and Synthetics?
That doesn't make sense.
The fact the Reapers are a collection of races and have their collective knowledge yet still couldn't reach an alternative which you are able to do with Shep and Legion is again something that doesn't make sense.
Technically, the fact that you can have peace between Organics and Synthetics through Rannoch Arc kinda disapprove the AI's perfect solution. And then we have EDI who achieve sentience and then choose to study human behaviors and through this and her love for Joker, she found humanity and thus as a synthetic lifeform she was at peace with the organics.
The Leviathan AI's primary motivation was the preservation of life and it think the right way to achieve this is by imposing physical and mental conformity on both organics and synthetics lifeforms and make them understand each other as one. By doing so, it rationalize that it could stop the conflict before it started and that's why it think it could lead to peace. For me that was too simplistic solution and naive interpretation of the conflicts that exist between these two sets of life forms and it made sense for a synthetic life such as the AI who would rationalize that as the perfect solution. Organics limited lifespan as flawed so it thinks immortality is the best solution. Synthetic was already immortal as its nature, but they're limited by their understanding of their creators and through synthesis, their body evolved into a new set of biology. But for me all of these create more series of problems. Overpopulation and depleting natural resources is possible. And it simply create a new nightmare situation for everyone. And then what? The AI use the reapers again to maintain this 'order' again?
IT is a great way to see the ending
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Think about it! When indoctrination goes wrong Shepard's mind causes some severe errors to reapers' collective consciousness that can be fixed only by rebooting the whole system and when that happens reapers goes offline simultaneously and depending where they are they either crash somewhere or your allies can defeat them.
