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[DSiKn355]

Yeah I don't need the game to show it to me. And if it did, it would've probably pissed off other Jack fans who envisioned a different fate for their characters. But then again, I resort to headcanon a lot in the course of the trilogy. Some things are unexplainable even with that. And it is not constrained to ME3.

 

I don't mind thinking up an ending but their has to be evidence to support my idea lol.

 

1. in the years after Shepard isnt found

2. Shepard's cloned/fixed body cannot breathe in space

 

He was on the Crucible which was in space and exploded...

Hull breaches like a mofo lol.

 

If it was left more open with hints then kool but that's not the case unfortunately.

 

Its either everyone is stranded as there is no mass relay (pre EC)

Or confirmation that years later Shepard isn't around (EC)

[Vazgen]

He was on the Citadel to which the Crucible was docked.

Say, he felt into some keeper tunnel and was later found by the people on the Citadel (who are alive according to the developer tweets). As for hull breaches, assume the Citadel engines still keeping the artificial atmosphere. Really, if one can roll with him being resurrected from the dead with the explanation that "the helmet kept his brain intact", him taking a breath after destroying the Reapers is not that big of a stretch.

[DSiKn355]

He was on the Citadel to which the Crucible was docked.

Say, he felt into some keeper tunnel and was later found by the people on the Citadel (who are alive according to the developer tweets). As for hull breaches, assume the Citadel engines still keeping the artificial atmosphere. Really, if one can roll with him being resurrected from the dead with the explanation that "the helmet kept his brain intact", him taking a breath after destroying the Reapers is not that big of a stretch.

 

Lmfao ok fair enough I won't spoil or contend with your headcanon lol.

[DSiKn355]

Just leaving this here:

 

 

Yes it contains jokes but also holds true to certain plotholes both minor and serious.

 

Also notice the complete bs dialogue of the Catalyst was removed in the EC ending.

[DSiKn355]

Or....

 

 

 

lol

 

P.s Angol Fear please watch these lol.

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So you are not satisfied with the way they did the Extended Cut? OK, I can get it.

Like I said, I don't have any problems with it. I choose High EMS Destroy and my Shepard teaches at Grissom Academy with his LI Jack.

 

Same, high EMS Destroy and Kaidan and Shep retire and have their well-deserved quiet time (maybe some adventures, but who knows ).

 

About the Citadel. Is it not still floating because the mass effect field must be intact? Same as the Derelict Reaper in ME2?

Also the wiki states it's made from the same material as the Mass Relays, and they are also only seen with a bit of damage, but otherwise fine (only in EC of course).

 

Also why do you think Shepard is not found for several years? Just because we get a glimpse into the future what happens generally? Doesn't necessarily mean Shep has not been found earlier on.

[DSiKn355]

Same, high EMS Destroy and Kaidan and Shep retire and have their well-deserved quiet time (maybe some adventures, but who knows ).

 

About the Citadel. Is it not still floating because the mass effect field must be intact? Same as the Derelict Reaper in ME2?

Also the wiki states it's made from the same material as the Mass Relays, and they are also only seen with a bit of damage, but otherwise fine (only in EC of course).

 

Also why do you think Shepard is not found for several years? Just because we get a glimpse into the future what happens generally? Doesn't necessarily mean Shep has not been found earlier on.

 

Ah the realm of possibilities.

 

But Destroy clearly states that all technology would be destroyed that would include Mass relay's, space ships and other forms of technology if even the nanomachines in Shepard would be affected.

[Vazgen]

Ah the realm of possibilities.

 

But Destroy clearly states that all technology would be destroyed that would include Mass relay's, space ships and other forms of technology if even the nanomachines in Shepard would be affected.

But we clearly see ships being unaffected. Relays, yes. 

[DSiKn355]

But we clearly see ships being unaffected. Relays, yes. 

 

It's called "a plothole" lol

 

"The Reapers are a highly-advanced machine race of synthetic-organic starships"

[Vazgen]

It's called "a plothole" lol

Or the wave only affecting Reaper technology.

The Catalyst says "the technology you rely on will be affected but the survivors will have little difficulty repairing the damage". What technology do we rely on? Reaper technology. That's part of their cycle trap. 

It also says that "all synthetics will be affected". And EDI herself considers geth and Reapers the only "living" synthetics out there. "Other AI are experiments only. Tightly-controlled." And both EDI, geth and Reapers use Reaper technology. 

[DSiKn355]

Or the wave only affecting Reaper technology.

The Catalyst says "the technology you rely on will be affected but the survivors will have little difficulty repairing the damage". What technology do we rely on? Reaper technology. That's part of their cycle trap. 

It also says that "all synthetics will be affected". And EDI herself considers geth and Reapers the only "living" synthetics out there. "Other AI are experiments only. Tightly-controlled." And both EDI, geth and Reapers use Reaper technology. 

 

Nope the Normandy ship was affected by the wave of energy too.

 

 

And in EC the normandy out ran the energy wave

 

[Vazgen]

Nope the Normandy ship was affected by the wave of energy too.

 

And in EC the normandy out ran the energy wave

Is the first video from pre-EC? I don't think it's fair to use it to point out plotholes since EC expanded on it.

And Normandy has Reaper technology. IFF and Sovereign hardware in the AI core

 

As for starships, look at 6:28 in the EC ending

[DSiKn355]

Is the first video from pre-EC? I don't think it's fair to use it to point out plotholes since EC expanded on it.

And Normandy has Reaper technology. IFF and Sovereign hardware in the AI core

 

No it is fair by definition as expanding on something means that it stays the same but is extended not changed.

 

And no the IFF and technology was removed when Normandy was returned to earth inbetween ME2 and ME3.

 

And the ships engines and hull was affected not its AI core.

 

If you think it's unfair then listen to the kid:

 

https://youtu.be/j0dmWmfZE5M?t=8m7s

 

Unless you are saying EC CHANGED things to try make better sense of the options?

[Vazgen]

No it is fair by definition as expanding on something means that it stays the same but is extended not changed.

 

And no the IFF and technology was removed when Normandy was returned to earth inbetween ME2 and ME3.

 

And the ships engines and hull was affected not its AI core.

 

If you think it's unfair then listen to the kid:

Where is it stated that IFF and technology were removed?

 

Extended Cut is an explained version of the original endings. Using the originals to point out plot holes that were addressed in Extended Cut is unfair IMO.

 

I brought that quote from the kid in my previous post. It does not disprove the wave affecting only Reaper technology.

[DSiKn355]

Where is it stated that IFF and technology were removed?

 

Extended Cut is an explained version of the original endings. Using the originals to point out plot holes that were addressed in Extended Cut is unfair IMO.

 

I brought that quote from the kid in my previous post. It does not disprove the wave affecting only Reaper technology.

 

The Normandy they are using is NOT the SR-2 from ME2

[Vazgen]

The Normandy they are using is NOT the SR-2 from ME2

Mass Effect 3 codex:

 

Normandy SR-2 (ME3)

Cerberus built the Normandy SR-2 as a second-generation version of the Alliance frigate SSV Normandy after the Collectors destroyed the original. The SR-2's many alterations produced a craft nearly double the original size, requiring an even larger Tantalus drive core to compensate. Its state-of-the-art Kodiak shuttle can make landings the original Normandy could not attempt. The Enhanced Defense Intelligence, an Al known colloquially as EDI, coordinates many of the ship's combat functions, assisting and even supplanting human piloting.

 

The Alliance has recently appropriated and refurbished the SR-2. In addition to tightbeam communicators, the Quantum Entanglement Communicator (QEC) provides instantaneous contact with Alliance Command.

 

Link

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And no the IFF and technology was removed when Normandy was returned to earth inbetween ME2 and ME3.

 

Even if this was the case, EDI, who is based on Reaper Tech as mentioned before still primarily exists inside the ship.

 

And yes it's the same Normandy as in ME2, Shepard or another crew member (can't remember which now) even mentions at some point that TIM must be pissed because he just took the ship.

[DSiKn355]

 

Mass Effect 3 codex:

 

Normandy SR-2 (ME3)

Cerberus built the Normandy SR-2 as a second-generation version of the Alliance frigate SSV Normandy after the Collectors destroyed the original. The SR-2's many alterations produced a craft nearly double the original size, requiring an even larger Tantalus drive core to compensate. Its state-of-the-art Kodiak shuttle can make landings the original Normandy could not attempt. The Enhanced Defense Intelligence, an Al known colloquially as EDI, coordinates many of the ship's combat functions, assisting and even supplanting human piloting.

 

The Alliance has recently appropriated and refurbished the SR-2. In addition to tightbeam communicators, the Quantum Entanglement Communicator (QEC) provides instantaneous contact with Alliance Command.

 

Link

 

 

Yes but the ship itself was attacked and not just the AI core.

 

I guess with EC it changed it to just attacking the AI core and leaving the ship itself intact.

[DSiKn355]

Even if this was the case, EDI, who is based on Reaper Tech as mentioned before still primarily exists inside the ship.

 

And yes it's the same Normandy as in ME2, Shepard or another crew member (can't remember which now) even mentions at some point that TIM must be pissed because he just took the ship.

 

It has had modification and no doubt extractions of certain things like the IFF as it was a beacon for the Collectors which the Reapers themselves could use also.

Wouldn't be smart to keep it in there really lol.

 

So no it wasn't "the same" SR-2 as in ME2.

 

Just like EC endings aint the same as context and dialogue has CHANGED.

[Vazgen]

Yes but the ship itself was attacked and not just the AI core.

 

I guess with EC it changed it to just attacking the AI core and leaving the ship itself intact.

Maybe. EDI is stated to reside in all the ship so her destruction (even more so in FTL) could mean all kinds of complications. 

I just think that pointing out plot holes of the original endings is like criticizing a game for bugs that were fixed in later patches. 

 

Don't get me wrong, the endings are far from being perfect and do have plot holes. It's just not one of them IMO.

 

 

It has had modification and no doubt extractions of certain things like the IFF as it was a beacon for the Collectors which the Reapers themselves could use also.

Wouldn't be smart to keep it in there really lol.

This is the realm of headcanon. The game does not have to support it and it does not.

[DSiKn355]

 

Maybe. EDI is stated to reside in all the ship so her destruction (even more so in FTL) could mean all kinds of complications. 

I just think that pointing out plot holes of the original endings is like criticizing a game for bugs that were fixed in later patches. 

 

Don't get me wrong, the endings are far from being perfect and do have plot holes. It's just not one of them IMO.

 

 

This is the realm of headcanon. The game does not have to support it and it does not.

 

 

1. EDI being everywhere could explain it but then why does the EC ending show the ship intact? Still a plothole then??

 

2. Possibly but as the SR-2 wasn't instantly tracked in ME3 it's safe to say the IFF has been removed IMO.

[Vazgen]

1. EDI being everywhere could explain it but then why does the EC ending show the ship intact? Still a plothole then??

 

2. Possibly but as the SR-2 wasn't instantly tracked in ME3 it's safe to say the IFF has been removed IMO.

I'd say that IFF presence is exactly why the Normandy isn't tracked. IFF is still in place. EDI talks about it with Engineer Adams: Link

 

The ship is not intact, it's crash landed. It then gets fixed and flies away. Just because it isn't torn in pieces doesn't mean it isn't damaged.

[DSiKn355]

I'd say that IFF presence is exactly why the Normandy isn't tracked. IFF is still in place. EDI talks about it with Engineer Adams: Link

 

The ship is not intact, it's crash landed. It then gets fixed and flies away. Just because it isn't torn in pieces doesn't mean it isn't damaged.

 

1.Ok I see.

 

2. It is intact. Nothing is broken off and no hull damage in the EC ending. Just EDI's removal as there is no sign of any other damage. And EDI controlled the ship right? So EDI gone = Can't fly or just full manual controls for Joker.

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2. It is intact. Nothing is broken off and no hull damage in the EC ending. Just EDI's removal as there is no sign of any other damage. And EDI controlled the ship right? So EDI gone = Can't fly or just full manual controls for Joker.

 

It is severly damaged depending on your EMS scores (from the wiki):

• If EMS is substantially low (below ~1750) and the Destroy ending is chosen, nobody exits the Normandy.
• If EMS is substantially low (below ~1750) and Control is chosen, Joker and two of the player's most-favored crew mates will exit a heavily damaged ship.
• If EMS is moderately high (above minimum, below maximum) and Destroy or Control are chosen, Joker and two of the player's most-favored crew mates will exit a heavily damaged ship.
• If EMS is 2800 or above, and Destroy or Control is chosen, Joker and two of the player's most-favored crew mates will exit a relatively undamaged ship.

[Vazgen]

 

1.Ok I see.

 

2. It is intact. Nothing is broken off and no hull damage in the EC ending. Just EDI's removal as there is no sign of any other damage. And EDI controlled the ship right? So EDI gone = Can't fly or just full manual controls for Joker.

There is hull damage and smoke coming off it. I also don't see the outer engines. 

Manual control is more likely. If Citadel DLC is of any indication.

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