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[KainD]

To be more accurate, they just KNOW they are who they are because screw cisgenders' logic who can't comprehend what it means to be transgender, right? What I'm trying to say is that, to them it feels normal even though cisgender people don't understand how it feels to be stuck in a body that doesn't identify to what they believe they are. 

 

Nah, cisgendered people understand much better, because they know how it feels to acknowledge their gender, it's usually us ''gender-blind'' folk that will never get it.

 

I think B.A Broska is gender blind, from what I've read - only acknowledges sex. 

[Korva]

Is there such a thing as agendered? As in, someone who doesn't self identify with either gender?

 

Yes.
 

[AlexMBrennan]

One of the dialogue options when speaking with Krem is to ask if she would fully change physically to being a man if magic allowed her to do so. She said no. Therefore, she is isn't a man. She is a woman wanting to behave/dress like a man. You can argue semantics on cultural/racial perception of proper behavior for "sex" or "gender" all you like, but it makes no difference in the end.

I didn't know Mrs Greer was frequenting these forums.

“”Governments that consist of very few women have hurried to recognise as women men who believe that they are women and have had themselves castrated to prove it, because they see women not as another sex but as a non-sex. No so-called sex-change has ever begged for a uterus-and-ovaries transplant; if uterus-and-ovaries transplants were made mandatory for wannabe women they would disappear overnight. The insistence that man-made women be accepted as women is the institutional expression of the mistaken conviction that women are defective males.
—Germaine Greer, The Whole Woman, 1999

[Raiil]

B.A. Broska, on 27 Feb 2015 - 09:45 AM, said:

So it is about the values placed on gender by society, such as roles and stereotypes associated with each gender? I have always thought a person's gender and biological sex were the same thing but after doing a quick google search apparently that is the wrong definition as gender refers to ones role is society or culture rather than biological sex (has this always been the definition or has it been changed in recent years?), however even when gender roles were a thing they were tied so closely to biological sex the distinction seems almost non-existent

 

If gender truly is one's role in society rather than their biological sex it would seem gender is becoming an outdated concept, we no longer define roles by gender, we don't call a female mechanic a man nor do we call a stay at home dad a woman, of course we still have our stigmas and stereotypes but largely gender constructs are becoming less of a thing.

 

However in a universe like Dragon Age where gender roles aren't a thing where does Krem fit into the picture?

 

 

 

 

Gender roles do exist in Dragon Age, they're just remarkably more relaxed than they are in real life. Women outside of the Qun can fight- but as an example, in the Tevinter Army they are regulations about what portions of the military they're allowed to join. However, women can still be viewed ultimately as potential mothers first and foremost (Anora comes to mind on this).

Vordish, on 28 Feb 2015 - 01:43 AM, said:

One of the dialogue options when speaking with Krem is to ask if she would fully change physically to being a man if magic allowed her to do so. She said no. Therefore, she is isn't a man. She is a woman wanting to behave/dress like a man. You can argue semantics on cultural/racial perception of proper behavior for "sex" or "gender" all you like, but it makes no difference in the end.

 

 

 

 

Or Krem's not an idiot and doesn't trust blood magic to do the job. Remember that Dorian's father wanted him to be straight and the magical 'cure' could have left Dorian a drooling vegetable. Krem seems to like being alive, and given the dangers of blood magic it might not be worth the risk. This is akin to saying any pre-modern medicine biological male who didn't lop off his fruits and veg to 'become' a woman wasn't really transgender, when it could just as easily be a natural aversion to bleeding out and dying from the procedure.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Krem's sexual orientation hasn't been defined, I think.  He could be gay (attracted to men), straight (attracted to women), or bisexual (or anything else in between, I suppose).  I've also heard a rumor that Bull mentions a tavern girl that Krem is interested in, but I've never seen footage of that or heard it in my own game, so i'm not sure if it's real or a rumor that just got spread around.  Just like snackrat said, if so, that would indicate that he's either straight or bisexual. 

 

And, given that he doesn't make it out of the game alive for a lot of players, I suspect that we'll never really know the answer to this question. 

I've heard about that as well but I have yet to come across that dialogue in-game. It's possible I already have but don't remember. Highly doubt it, though.

[parico]

Krem was a stupid character.  I sacrifice the chargers every time so I don't have to see it standing halfway up on a chair every time I enter the tavern. 

[leaguer of one]

If Krem Being born Female, but see's himself as male likes men sexually, doesn't that make him not gay?

 

Jeez Krem does my head in..

It's mean it does not matter. Love does not care for gender, instincts do.

[Legion of 1337]

Here's how you answer the ultimate question here: by asking another question -

 

Are "you" your physical body, or your mind?

 

If the former, Krem is female. If the later, Krem is male.

[leaguer of one]

Krem's still a man, and as such, I really doubt he'd like to date someone who would insist on seeing him as a woman.

Why would it matter? The starting point of attraction is based on looks. If the person you're dating insists they are a man but looks like a woman and does so for the rest of there life and  you are emotionally and romantically connected to the person....What does it matter?

[leaguer of one]

Here's how you answer the ultimate question here: by asking another question -

 

Are "you" your physical body, or your mind?

 

If the former, Krem is female. If the later, Krem is male.

If I'm my mind then I ,personally , have no gender and I'm action on the  instincts of my body when I look at a woman.

[Legion of 1337]

If I'm my mind then I ,personally , have no gender and I'm action on the  instincts of my body when I look at a woman.

That's all caused by your mind. Your "body" isn't attracted to anything, your mind is.

[Raiil]

Why would it matter? The starting point of attraction is based on looks. If the person you're dating insists they are a man but looks like a woman and does so for the rest of there life and you are emotionally and romantically connected to the person....What does it matter?

I imagine it matters to your partner. I should hope their feelings would matter.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why would it matter? The starting point of attraction is based on looks. If the person you're dating insists they are a man but looks like a woman and does so for the rest of there life and  you are emotionally and romantically connected to the person....What does it matter?

I disagree. There are attractions that form which have nothing to with gender, and occur even if someone isn't attracted to the other person's looks. 

[Shahadem]

Yes.
 

 

No.

[Raiil]

Are there any studies that have been done to support the whole asexual and/or agendered thing?  As in studies have been done that *show* that a transgendered person has got unique stuff going on in their brain and/or unique stuff with their hormones.  Same with homosexual and biseuxal people.  Is there any similar evidence that yet exists for asexual and/or agendered people?  Is there any available evidence that this has any kind of biological basis at all?

 

 

Are you looking for a physiological/neurological 'cause' of asexuality or agenderism?

[sleeping heart]

The way i took it she's more a tomboy than anything.

[Raiil]

The way i took it she's more a tomboy than anything.

 

 

You'd be incorrect. Tomboys self-identify as women, Krem identifies as a man. There is a difference. I'm a tomboy, but I still feel, and identify, as a woman, it just so happens that growing up, most of my interests were considered things to be that boys (as a social definition) preferred and I eschewed typically feminine clothing. Nothing to do with what sex I thought I was.

 

Also, Krem's a he.

[Raiil]

The edit function seems to have disappeared... @Raga, the asexual community is too small and still forming enough of a cohesiveness to have been rigorously studied. Bear in mind that plenty of people have never heard of the term. My sister is an aromantic asexual and 'came out' to me when she learned that there was even a definition for her. By and large, people often conflate asexuality with low libido.

 

Additionally, we a) still don't exactly 'know' what causes non-heterosexual preferences and transgenderism really shouldn't be lumped in with them, particularly since, in the case of transgenderism, the human body can be born 'in between' biological sexes and there's really a sliding scale of what constitutes masculine and feminine.

[Heidirs]

I sacrifice the chargers every time so I don't have to see it standing halfway up on a chair every time I enter the tavern. 

 

LOL. That happened to me on my first playthrough. Krem stood on the chair the whole time, and half the time the chair wasn't there so he was just floating in the air and I was so confused.

 

My second palythrough, the chair was there and he sat. So, don't know what made the difference. Maybe they patched it. But I thought it was pretty funny.

[sleeping heart]

Well, whatever it doesn't matter, what krem and the rest of them really are, is sacrificial fodder for my Archon staff.

[daveliam]

Yes.  I'm basically asking if psychologists/nuerologists think the phenomenon of asexuality is caused by the same prenatal conditions/genetics that cause (or at least heavily contribute to) homosexuality, bisexuality, and transgenderism.

 

Also, has there been any kind of study comparing an asexual person's brains or hormones to non-asexuals brains and hormones to see what differences (if any) exist? 

 

I mean either asexuality or agenderism.  I get they aren't the same thing.  But they are similar in that they reject both binary identifiers or some kind of scale (like the Kinsey scale). 

 

I'm certainly not an expert on the research on this, but a quick google scholar search turned up a few studies.  This one surveyed 18,000 british residents and found that 1% identified as asexual.  It also suggests both psychosocial and biological factors that might contribute to asexuality.  I'm sure there are more studies, but I just wanted to get one to see what some people were saying.

 

Bogaert, A. F. (2004). Asexuality: Prevalence and associated factors in a national probability sample. Journal of Sex Research, 41(3), 279-287.