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[DirkJake]

I found a relatively few studies related to asexuality on this page. Apparently Alfred Kinsey was aware of asexuality since 1940s.

 

And to my disappointment, I found no research on agenderism. 

 

Edit: more research on asexuality here.

[daveliam]

Cool.  Thanks.  There was a point earlier in my life where I suspected I might be asexual.  I now think that's almost certainly not the case, but it still interests me. 

 

If you do a google scholar search for that one, you can get the free PDF as a download and read it.  If you happen to run across any other studies that you want to read, but can't find a free copy of the article, just shoot me a PM and I'll see if I can get a free copy for you.  It's one of the very few perks of being a doc student (not having to pay for scholarly articles ---- what a racket).

[Raiil]

My understanding is that there is pretty significant evidence that both orientation, biological sex, and mental sex (gender) has a *lot* to do with the particular hormones people are exposed to prenatally.  Considering all fetuses are inherently female biologically at some point and it's exposure to hormones that triggers them to develop male genitalia, even intersex people are at least partially dependent on prenatal hormones in turning out the way they turn out.

 

I don't want to make it sound like there is some known formula for *precisely* how this works.  I only think it's fair to say that prenatal hormones are probably a significant factor in all of these things and thus "lumping them together" isn't completely accurate, but it's not completely inaccurate either.  

 

I am just curious if it also contributes in some way to asexual or agendered people's development. 

 

 

There's a lot of theories. As I said, my sister's asexual so I ended up doing a lot of reading on it so she wouldn't feel so alone. I know one of the popular theories on homosexuality is that it's sort of a... form of selection? IDK the term but it helps keep the population in check, so in families with many sons, the further down the chain you go the more likely a son is gay. I honestly have zero clue is that applies to the lesbian population.

 

As for transgenderism or alternative genders, that's such an old concept. We've had many forms like two-spirits, the Australian X, hijra, the Albanian sworn virgin, etc. I hesitate to place it with sexuality since one dictates innate preferences and the other has to do with the physical form.

[yodathehobbit]

To me agendered still seems like it would fit rather comfortably on a sliding scale between male and female - it would be right in the middle.  Though maybe agendered people would reject this definition.  I don't know.  The asexuality thing seems to sort of mess the whole Kinsey scale up though because the center point of that scale is 50/50 bisexuality.  

 

Disappearing now to read some of this stuff you guys just gave me.

He had an X category for people who felt "no socio-sexual contacts or reactions" 

[Angel Mercury]

(Multi-quote broke this... Someone else said this bit here):

The only thing bad about Krem is the writing where you learn he is a "he". The conversation really doesn't seem to allude to him being born as a female but living as a man. He makes some comment about Bull's pillowy man bosoms and then you get to ask about his gender... what?

 

Dunno if anyone else responded to you, but the reason we get to ask about his gender identity is because he mentions that he could give IB tips on binding, i.e. binding breasts. 

 

To be more on topic, gender is a social construct. Like others have said it may or may not match your biological sex. Gender and biological sex do not equal the same thing. For example, I am a cisgender woman, but I identify more with so-called masculine qualities over feminine ones as society defines them. The key here is society. Society defines expectations for each gender. Some people feel that their biological parts do not match the gender they feel themselves to be. 

 

 

I felt like this was rather sudden myself. There was another conversation where I was talking to just Krem and suddenly there's the option to pick something like 'So when did you decide to start passing.' I felt like it had no context so it took me a moment to figure out what was meant by that. It's possible I missed something, but I was pretty sure I was paying attention.

 

I liked Krem, I just felt like the options for those dialogues were timed or presented oddly. Like when I was talking with all the chargers, meeting everyone, I didn't feel like that's a time to be asking about it. There's a whole group of people to include in a conversation.

 

There's been a few times I've felt like the dialogue wheel had oddly written choices though, not always clear on what the choice I'm picking is going to end up meaning... (I'm looking at you judgements)

[Korva]

To me agendered still seems like it would fit rather comfortably on a sliding scale between male and female - it would be right in the middle.  Though maybe agendered people would reject this definition.

 

That sounds more like folks who identity as gender-fluid/androgynous -- the middle isn't where the extremes cancel each other out into "neither" but where you have "both". It's like the straight-bi-gay "scale" where asexuality is on the outside, too.

[Hexxagone]

damn I didn't expect this level of involvement. but its cool that we are discussing this in a mature manor. You could say that Krem is the "crème dela crème" 

 

(crickets)

[KainD]

Here's how you answer the ultimate question here: by asking another question -

 

Are "you" your physical body, or your mind?

 

If the former, Krem is female. If the later, Krem is male.

 

Physical body is what you are, mind is who you are. 

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I'm sure gay men will be thrilled to read fanfiction about cunnilingus.

 

Remember gay men: Krem is male so if you aren't attracted to his vagina you're a bigot.

Some gay men date transmen, some gay men don't. It's not as dramatic as you're trying to make it out to be. Personally, it wouldn't keep me from dating him and it hasn't kept me from dating gay/bi/pan transmen I've known in real life.

[fizzypop]

I'm sure gay men will be thrilled to read fanfiction about cunnilingus.

 

Remember gay men: Krem is male so if you aren't attracted to his vagina you're a bigot.

You know butt holes aren't gendered I'm just sayin'. Also a lot of gay men are involved with transgender men so hashtag notallgaymen.

[Shahadem]

If you do a google scholar search for that one, you can get the free PDF as a download and read it.  If you happen to run across any other studies that you want to read, but can't find a free copy of the article, just shoot me a PM and I'll see if I can get a free copy for you.  It's one of the very few perks of being a doc student (not having to pay for scholarly articles ---- what a racket).

 

I'm pretty sure you aren't supposed to be distributing copies of the articles that the school gives you for your research.

[daveliam]

I'm pretty sure you aren't supposed to be distributing copies of the articles that the school gives you for your research.

Then you thought incorrectly. Thanks for being concerned but I got this.