Cause it's a religious organization (the inquisition), basically
Not... really. I suppose it could be if you played it as such but it's made pretty clear it's at least outside of the Chantry's sphere. The religious connotations people attach to it is probably unavoidable but I see it more as a peace-keeping body myself.
Cause it's a religious organization (the inquisition), basically
Not... really. I suppose it could be if you played it as such but it's made pretty clear it's at least outside of the Chantry's sphere. The religious connotations people attach to it is probably unavoidable but I see it more as a peace-keeping body myself.
It's a religious organization though. What is its purpose after closing the rifts and putting down Corypheus? Peace-keeping...? On whose authority? What government? What country? Is it like Thedas Interpol? 
Doesn't mean your Inquisition has to love the Chantry
Okay you gotta explain to me why a Dalish who believes in his/her own gods would continue to serve as inquisitor once its primary function is completed.
Okay you gotta explain to me why a Dalish who believes in his/her own gods would continue to serve as inquisitor once its primary function is completed.
Other than Bioware wanting to tell more stories and order hasn't been fully restored?
Other than Bioware wanting to tell more stories and order hasn't been fully restored?
Yeah but why would my Dalish be concerned with order lol He's not in danger anymore. The war's over. He just wants to go home. Same thing happened with my Mahariel.
And yeah it really is all about the first one... they need a reason to force our character in a certain direction so future DLC and games are easier to make.
They should have at least given us the opportunity at the END of the game to select one of the following:
1. Stay and continue leading the inquisition
2. Dissolve the inquisition
3. Leave the inquisition and return to your clan, mercenary band, etc.
Instead they make the decision FOR you and assume your inquisitor is a power-hungry Chantry-loving leader type who intends to stay on and rule the inquisition. They did the same thing in DAO, pigeon-holing your Warden and making him/her Warden Commander. It was so OOC I couldn't play Awakening with my first Warden; I could only play it with my Tabris who would actually agree to do that.
I assume that's to leave things open for post-endgame DLC content. You didn't have to play Awakening, or you could play with an Orlesian Warden.
I assume that's to leave things open for post-endgame DLC content. You didn't have to play Awakening, or you could play with an Orlesian Warden.
Hmm you could only play the Orlesian Warden is your DAO Warden was dead, right?
And yeah, I agree.
Hmm you could only play the Orlesian Warden is your DAO Warden was dead, right?
And yeah, I agree.
No, you just start a new Awakening game without importing a save.
I get that she wants to follow and not to lead. I get it and I respect it.
But I found it really jarring in the game that after you get to Skyhold, she no longer appears at the War Table. I mean, she was still the Right Hand of the Divine, and I still think her opinion is valuable. I don't get that decision.
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Okay you gotta explain to me why a Dalish who believes in his/her own gods would continue to serve as inquisitor once its primary function is completed.
I had an elven First Inquisitor who abused his power as the, well, Inquisitor in order go places, dig through ruins, help elves, set up his Clan as part of government of Shem city-state (that was a great joke, by the way; still he would want some token Inquisition presence in that city so that nobody gets stupid ideas)... Seriously, this guy was doing his best as the Inquisition, but he was pretty shameless. He even pretty much proclaimed "I am an elf, now deal with it" when they made him the Inquisitor. Oh, and he failed to prevent Vivienne from becoming Divine, so he needs to be there to make sure she doesn't f*ck things up too much.
Either way, he likes his power, he likes using his power to make things go his way... And I bet after looking at the world from his inquisitorial throne changed his perspective so much that he wouldn't be able to really fit in in that city he helped save... it would be so tiny for him. And let's not even speak about him having to go back to fishing and hunting and brewing herbs for healing poultices (the kind of life he had before the Summit). He loves his clan, but he so clearly outgrew that life. He would be extatic to go visit them some day, see how they're doing, but that's that. He has so much more things to take care about, especially since now he has more time and more free resources to pursue his little archeological "hobby" to uncover the lost lore (and some neat artifacts for his Inquisition as well).
Basically, being the unquestioned leader of an organization like this has its perks.
But, obviously this doesn't change the fact that some elven inquisitors would be all like "Ok, Cory dead, I'm done. Call me next time some f*ckwit tears sky open again. Till then, it was nice knowing you guys, bye."
Really?
I thought she was pretty confident. Definitely leadership material.
Well, you wouldn't necessarily be the minor character... you'd be doing a lot of work for the Inquisition, you just wouldn't be recognised as a leader.
You must have missed her friendship conversation then.
She says she doesn't understand how the Inquisitor makes all these choices and she would never be able to make them herself.. Also it's pretty obvious she's conflicted in Haven about what to do and when Rodrick says "May the consequence be on your head, Seeker", she seems to look really confused as to whether she's doing the right thing. Cassandra doubts herself and her actions too much to lead the Inquisition.
It's a religious organization though. What is its purpose after closing the rifts and putting down Corypheus? Peace-keeping...? On whose authority? What government? What country? Is it like Thedas Interpol?
Yes.
It started off on a dead Divine's directive to 'restore order in a world gone mad' which is an incredibly ambiguous goal that can really be twisted into just about anything. What is madness? When has the world stopped being mad? What is order? Whose order? What kind of order? Not only that but it spent it's infancy fencing with the very organization by which it was founded in the first place, being excommunicated by the only religious authority in all of southern Thedas doesn't bode well for an organization's future as a primarily religious organization.
It exists to serve 'order' not the will of the Maker.
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You must have missed her friendship conversation then.
She says she doesn't understand how the Inquisitor makes all these choices and she would never be able to make them herself.. Also it's pretty obvious she's conflicted in Haven about what to do and when Rodrick says "May the consequence be on your head, Seeker", she seems to look really confused as to whether she's doing the right thing. Cassandra doubts herself and her actions too much to lead the Inquisition.
I agree.
However, despite how hesitant she may feel inside.. I think she'd do whatever needs to be done, if it was necessary, and she had no choice in the matter.
Which, at the end of the day, is all that really matters in a "good leader". They don't necessarily have to have the confidence and what not to back it up.. they can be whatever they want to be inside, it's their actions that count in the end.
You're right, but it's naive to think that one does not influence the other. A hesitant leader will make decisions slower and will be more tired by the decision-making process. When he gets tired because of not feeling enough confidence, he will start making mistakes, getting convinced to act against his judgement with weak arguments. Or, having a brilliant but risky idea, he won't go along with it. An adviser has the comfort of putting forward risky ideas because he's on equal level with other advisers and the decision itself is made by someone else entirely. A leader doesn't have this comfort. A strong leader with risky idea might still go with "ok, here's what I think, am I making fool out of myself" but for hesitant leader it isn't in fact easier - he knows he doesn't have confidence but is likely to think he really should have this confidence, so he will refrain from putting forward ideas that might seem stupid (because he doesn't want to say that he doesn't know if his ideas are good)...I agree.
However, despite how hesitant she may feel inside.. I think she'd do whatever needs to be done, if it was necessary, and she had no choice in the matter.
Which, at the end of the day, is all that really matters in a "good leader". They don't necessarily have to have the confidence and what not to back it up.. they can be whatever they want to be inside, it's their actions that count in the end.
She is someone that you can assign her a task and expect her to get things done no matter how hard it is.
But she is far from leader type, too much self-doubt, lack of patience and charisma.
Pretty much exactly this. As much as I like her and think that her plans if elected as Divine for moderate reforms in the Circle make sense, I don't think she's suited in the long run for that job either.
Cassandra's an awesome fighter and someone who can get the job done, but by her own admission, she has a tendency to be brash and to act without thinking when she thinks she's right. Coupled with her having zero patience for any kind of politicking (as we see at Halamshiral), all of these things are bad traits for an Inquisitor or Divine to have.
On a battlefield, Cassandra could lead an army without a problem, but she'd balk at the responsibility that comes with being the one who put that army on the battlefield in the first place? It's kinda like how Bull doesn't want to train the Inquisition soldiers, because he can't get to know them all on the same personal level he knows the Chargers? It's outside both their comfort zones and doesn't really suit their particular style of leadership?
Pretty much exactly this. As much as I like her and think that her plans if elected as Divine for moderate reforms in the Circle make sense, I don't think she's suited in the long run for that job either.
Cassandra's an awesome fighter and someone who can get the job done, but by her own admission, she has a tendency to be brash and to act without thinking when she thinks she's right. Coupled with her having zero patience for any kind of politicking (as we see at Halamshiral), all of these things are bad traits for an Inquisitor or Divine to have.
On a battlefield, Cassandra could lead an army without a problem, but she'd balk at the responsibility that comes with being the one who put that army on the battlefield in the first place? It's kinda like how Bull doesn't want to train the Inquisition soldiers, because he can't get to know them all on the same personal level he knows the Chargers? It's outside both their comfort zones and doesn't really suit their particular style of leadership?
This is the only reason why she isn't my default Divine, as much as I think Cassandra would be competent, she hates bureaucracy. I will absolutely do it on some play throughs, and did on my first, but my default Divine is going to be someone who enjoys politics, and doesn't see them as a tedious nuisance to suffer through. I just don't want to place that particular burden on her.
Yeah lets put the brash, naive, stubborn, inpatient, inflexible women with no political knowledge or skill in charge of the Inquisition, that sounds like it'd go great =P
Yeah lets put the brash, naive, stubborn, inpatient, inflexible women with no political knowledge or skill in charge of the Inquisition, that sounds like it'd go great =P
That is exactly how I play my Inqui 
That is exactly how I play my Inqui
you don't.
you have the options to make decisions into the game...
your inquisitor can be whatever you like to be .... as example 'naive, stubborn, inpatient, inflexible women with no political knowledge or skill in charge of the Inquisition'
but the decision options you can choose into the game ar not naive, stubborn, inpatient, inflexible... no matter which decision you make it looks like that you are a true leader .
you haven't the choose to be naiv or stubborn if you must decide something.
into the situation where you have to make decisions they effect the inquisition ... all your options will be wisley.. strategy .. policy ..tactical correct.
maybe because of the work of your efficient advisor cullen , lelianna and jospehine.
maybe you are the official leader of the inquisiton but without your advisor you can't do it.they help you with the leadership.
the general kinky behave of your inquisitior doesn't matter at this point....i think if you wanna play as a person with a kinky behave then you should see your advisor more as teacher.. because they show you how to lead.
anyways you can be crazy like hell but if you have the decision about life and death of other ones...then would also a kinky or silly hero put his own behave aside and start to think serious about all that.a hero would use his human understanding to be able to lead.
and no matter if you lead the inquisition or not....the game is all about that you be the hero.. and heros have always obligations.
you don't.
you have the options to make decisions into the game...
your inquisitor can be whatever you like to be .... as example 'naive, stubborn, inpatient, inflexible women with no political knowledge or skill in charge of the Inquisition'
but the decision options you can choose into the game ar not naive, stubborn, inpatient, inflexible... no matter which decision you make it looks like that you are a true leader .
you haven't the choose to be naiv or stubborn if you must decide something.
into that moment where you have to make decisions they effect the inquisition ... all your options will be wisley.. strategy .. policy ..tactical correct.
the general kinky behave of your inquisitior doesn't matter at this point..
I guess so, i can't side with cory or attack Tevinter or whatever. But there's a lot of dialog options that allow to represent very unsuitable character traits, especially when talking to companions and other NPC's in skyhold or on the streets.
I guess so, i can't side with cory or attack Tevinter or whatever. But there's a lot of dialog options that allow to represent very unsuitable character traits, especially when talking to companions and other NPC's in skyhold or on the streets.
But there's a lot of dialog options that allow to represent very unsuitable character traits ?? Yes thats right.
but you haven't the choose to be naiv or stubborn if you must decide something.
into the situation where you have to make decisions they effect the inquisition ... all your options will be wisley.. strategy .. policy ..tactical correct.
maybe because of the work of your efficient advisor cullen , lelianna and jospehine.
maybe you are the official leader of the inquisiton but without your advisor you can't do it.they help you with the leadership.
the general kinky behave of your inquisitior doesn't matter at this point....i think if you wanna play as a person with a kinky behave then you should see your advisor more as teacher and ideal.. because they show you how to lead and they offer to you some decision options.
anyways you can be crazy like hell but if you have the decision about life and death of other ones...then would also a kinky or silly hero put his own behave aside and start to think serious about all that.a hero would use his human understanding to be able to lead.
and no matter if you lead the inquisition or not....the game is all about that you be the hero.. and heros have always obligations.the only way to escape from the duty would be ...to don't be a hero.
But there's a lot of dialog options that allow to represent very unsuitable character traits ?? Yes thats right.
but you haven't the choose to be naiv or stubborn if you must decide something.
into the situation where you have to make decisions they effect the inquisition ... all your options will be wisley.. strategy .. policy ..tactical correct.
maybe because of the work of your efficient advisor cullen , lelianna and jospehine.
maybe you are the official leader of the inquisiton but without your advisor you can't do it.they help you with the leadership.
the general kinky behave of your inquisitior doesn't matter at this point....i think if you wanna play as a person with a kinky behave then you should see your advisor more as teacher and ideal.. because they show you how to lead and they offer to you some decision options.
anyways you can be crazy like hell but if you have the decision about life and death of other ones...then would also a kinky or silly hero put his own behave aside and start to think serious about all that.a hero would use his human understanding to be able to lead.
and no matter if you lead the inquisition or not....the game is all about that you be the hero.. and heros have always obligations.the only way to escape from the duty would be ...to don't be a hero.
I think you put the finger on the spot there.
But isn't that exactly the issue here?
What I mean is, that the game allows you to play a very rude or seemingly uninterested character but at the same time, it's always just perfect and no matter what you do, the people respect the Inquisitor and pledge their lifes.
As much as I enjoy deviating from the default heroistic do-gooder, the game world (NPC's, events etc.) always seems to assume that the Inquisitor still IS the heroistic do-gooder.
I'm not sure, what a satisfying solution would be, though. Having Cassandra run the show is probably not the way to go because player want to feel like their actions and opinions matter (me included). Also, not giving the player the options to be harsh and uninterested would also feel boring and limiting.
But there should be some sort of consequence anyhow.
I want the gameworld to react to what kind of character my Inquisitor is.
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