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[durengo]

lets talk about a new idea...

 

we all know the end of dragon age inquisition but the question is.. who died?

flemeth or solas or both?

 

like the cutscenes of the end it looks like that flemeth died and mythal  took over the control of solas body and soul .

how much of the original solas is left now after mythal took the control? did solas soul died and his body remain as holder for other souls? maybe only flemeth body died and not her soul?

 

we also think that flemeth need morrigans body to stay alive...that flemeth would some kind of exhaust morrigan...or that flemeth would also took over the control of  morrigans body and soul.

 

could it be that solas will be at the end a mythal/flemeth mix or solas/flemeth/mythel mix.

that solas could be a new creature with  many personalities like the one of mythal and flemeth and solas or only the ones from mythal and flemeth but all these into the body from solas???  3 or more different souls together in the same body ?

 

that would explain all the voices they speak to you after you drink from the well of sorrows.the whisper of all voices from all souls they are bound on one body.

 

 

 

what about the inquisitor if he drink from the well of sorrows? is he bound on mythal ? Is he bound on solas after mythal took over solas body?

[DanAxe]

Solas absorbed Flemeth. Or Fen'harel absorbed Mythal. What does it mean? We have to wait for dlc/new game...

[ahandsomeshark]

I'm pretty sure Solas just absorbs Mythal's power.

[QuantumHAL]

Flemeth isnt nessaryly gone either since she has been shown able to make multiple copies of her self as a backup plan

[ahandsomeshark]

Flemeth isnt nessaryly gone either since she has been shown able to make multiple copies of her self as a backup plan

 

I think she was only able to do that while retaining the power of mythal. Now she's sent her "god" powers or something on to Morrigan. 

[DanAxe]

Flemeth isnt nessaryly gone either since she has been shown able to make multiple copies of her self as a backup plan

 

I think what Flemeth does is very similar to Corypheus. At the time of her death, she can transfer herself into another body. For Corypheus it was darkspawn/grey wardens, for Flemeth could be anything else (we know she did it with an amulet in DA2 and can presumably do the same to her willing daughters) that we are not sure of.

 

As for her transfering to another body when killed by Solas, that didnt happen. Someone found game files with a dev commentary on that last scene, and it said that Flemeth knew that was coming, and allowed Solas to absorb her. So she didnt go to some other body she had waiting for her, she allowed herself to be absorbed by Solas. Does it mean she is gone and never coming back? Who knows. It's still unclear, only dlc or new game will answer that. She could somehow manage to gain control of Solas (altho that probably aint happening since she allowed him to do it), or at some point come out of Solas again to a new body. But is it gonna be Flemeth, or only Mythal? There's to many unknown variables at the moment. We just have to wait. As the op says, we could be looking at a multifaced Solas in the future, or one of them taking over control absolutely. All we know, is that at least for the time being, the Flemeth that we knew, is no more.

[Precursor Meta]

Solas absorbed Mythal. The question arises whether or the not the person who drank from the well is bound to solas.

And Mythal did push something through the ellivian. Maybe it was a piece of her soul, or maybe it was flemths soul. So many mysteries with answers that just leave us having more questions.

[leaguer of one]

For the life of me, I must have played a different game.  Seeing that ending and coming away thinking Solas was the one that came out on top?  Absolutely not.  Mythal made him her little you know what.

Game note say other wise.

[Frybread76]

I think Solas absorbed Flemeth's power and Mythal's soul, but did she die?  I don't think so, since before that happened she was seen putting something into the Eluvian.  Maybe she was putting a portion of her essence through it so she'll survive?

[Orian Tabris]

You mean "bind on Mythal" rather than "bound."

 

I have no idea why people got confused. I mean it's obviously obvious that Flemeth "died" not Solas. I don't know how the freak people can get confused since some of Flemeth's face became stone, and her eye in particular became stone, AND the camera focused on her, not Solas afterwards..

 

Even I could tell, and I struggle with processing information (it helped that it was visual, but still).

 

Eyes are an EXCELLENT indicator of whether or not a fictional character is dead or not. By the same token, eyes are an excellent indicator of a fictional character's power.

[Orian Tabris]

I think Solas absorbed Flemeth's power and Mythal's soul, but did she die?  I don't think so, since before that happened she was seen putting something into the Eluvian.  Maybe she was putting a portion of her essence through it so she'll survive?

 

Yeah, that's what people think, but somehow I reckon BioWare will pull the wool over our eyes with that.

[MACharlie1]

Game notes don't appear "in game" and are pretty much irrelevant to what I interpret from my gaming experience.

Then go look at Solas' fresco. Wolf over a dead dragon. 

 

That said, Flemeth isn't done. 

[durengo]

...... Or Fen'harel absorbed Mythal. What does it mean? We have to wait for dlc/new game...

if Fen'harel absorbet Mythal then it would mean that one person has the power from two gods.

the question is ..was it a absorb of the spirit of mythal or only of the power of mythal..or both?

[Tinxa]

Then go look at Solas' fresco. Wolf over a dead dragon. 

 

 

Everyone keeps saying that, but I just see 2 dragons. The "wolf" clearly has dragon wings to my eyes. I think the fresco is simply Inquisitor dragon slaying Corypheus dragon and has no secret meaning.

 

 

But I do agree with the game notes.

[durengo]

You mean "bind on Mythal" rather than "bound."

 

I have no idea why people got confused. I mean it's obviously obvious that Flemeth "died" not Solas. I don't know how the freak people can get confused since some of Flemeth's face became stone, and her eye in particular became stone, AND the camera focused on her, not Solas afterwards..

 

Even I could tell, and I struggle with processing information (it helped that it was visual, but still).

 

Eyes are an EXCELLENT indicator of whether or not a fictional character is dead or not. By the same token, eyes are an excellent indicator of a fictional character's power.

if a body became to stone that doesn't mean that the soul of the person have to die .it also mustnt mean that the body dies.. could be a different kind of sleep.. or the same what happends with han solo as he stuck in carbonite in star wars.

 

but let us say..that you are right and flemeth body died.

 

the question is...if solas absorbet flemeth...what did he absorbet exactly? only the power of flemeth or her soul too?

if flemeth soul would replace solas soul in his body then the soul of solas could die... the body of solas would remain .i would call that the "freaky friday" effect.. after the tv show where mother and daughter switch the bodys .. so that the soul of the daughter is into the body of her mother and the other way around...

 

but anyways...if we see flemeht and mythal as two personalities they share the same body.. then will be also the question who of both got absorbet from solas? another option could be that the two personalities  flemeht and mythal are merged into one and that solas personalitie is merged with the one after he absorbet it.

 

Eyes are an EXCELLENT indicator of whether or not a fictional character is dead or not? thats right but stone eyes aren't a indicator

 

the question is who is solas now? is he the normal elfe solas with the power of a god? is he a god with the power of two gods ..(the power from mythal and fen'harel together) and if so .. is he now fen'harel or mythal or maybe fen'mythal?

[DanAxe]

if Fen'harel absorbet Mythal then it would mean that one person has the power from two gods.

the question is ..was it a absorb of the spirit of mythal or only of the power of mythal..or both?

 

The dev notes say that Flemeth is sending her god soul thru the eluvian to Morrigan before accepting her fate into Solas hands. So what Solas absorbs is the power, not the spirit. I think?... But then again, even with the dev notes, its hard to say how all of this will play out. Flemeth is a powerful witch even without Mythal, so it could be that she sent a spark of Mythal to Morrigan, but left most of the power in herself so that Solas could extract it and use it for whatever he intends to do? She can probably fragment her soul into pieces (the amulet she gave Hawke most likely held a fragment of her soul), so maybe she split it again, giving a part of it to Morrigan (which would give her back her free will, since she would be in possession of the soul which she is bound to) but still retaining enough in her to give Solas the power he needs.

 

Meh im scratching my head too much, gonna make a hole in it.... Lets just wait. Either DLC or DA4 will give us some answers. Presumably, Flemeth is dead. But i dont think this was the last we saw of her. The Flemeth as we know it probably wont show up again, but there's so many ways of Flemythal to resurface again that i dont think we've seen the last of this entity. Dont forget "She was betrayed, as I was betrayed, as the whole world was betrayed". Flemythal is looking for vengeance, something she's been planning ever since Mythal fled as a wisp to merge with Flemeth(Andraste first maybe?). So either this vengeance fits into Solas plans, or there is no way in hell she would give that plot up, she sounded too hurt and upset in the fade to have such a change of heart from that scene until the last scene of the game. She will have her vengeance. "Alas, so long as the music plays, we dance". The music (most likely refering to the Calling") is still playing and is still a great mistery. So she will keep dancing until all misteries of Thedas are resolved.

 

 

On a side note: This is actually pretty straightforward in my playthroughs, cause all my world states have Morrigan doing the dark ritual. In that case, and considering the dev notes, what i see from that last scene is Flemeth sending Mythals soul to Morrigan and giving Urthemiel's soul (previously removed from Kieran) to Solas. But then again i cant think of it as cannon because there are lots of people who dont even have Kieran in the game, meaning that last scene (which plays out the same in both situations) could have a completely different meaning.

[Beomer]

Flemeth maybe dies and Solas absorbs her power to use the Eluvian. 

However Mythal is the mother. I don't see her completing the rest of her journey in a male  body specially since Flemeth clearly wanted Morrigan to inherit her. There's no telling whether or not Flemeth /Mythal has somehow hoodwinked the trickster God himself. I guess we'll find out. 

[TK514]

I'm guessing that Flemeth is a hidden stowaway on what Solas took.  She'll sit back and wait until his endgame before taking over.

[Madmoe77]

If I'm not mistaken Flemeth received Mythal's grace/power when in desperate need for it. Not only was she in need but she called for help and in her plea Mythal came to her aid and offered herself to the bond. 

 

In the ending sequence Solas/Dreadwolf pleas with Mythal as Flemeth had for the power to do what was needed for his People. Flemeth needed a new form as she had already established with Morrigan and was suggested or lightly implied of Keiran in a playthrough with Morrigan's child in it. If Solas inadvertently did this or intentionally did this is the question. But we have a track record to make a good conclusion that Mythal's glow as seen emanating from Flemeth before was seen in the scene. Solas may have already had knowledge of this union. Consolidating that power may have been a last ditch effort for Flemeth/Mythal and Solas/Dreadwolf to achieve their goals.

 

I think there are two camps here; one hoping that even though Solas wasn't honest about his identity that he is betrayed here in a twist of Mythal's expression of revenge for her own betrayal. Then another camp seeing a union of sorts that is spoiled by a selfish apology! "I am sorry Dreadwolf." Says Mythal right after Solas admits his dire mishandling of the Elhven orb.

 

What I feel is very confusing is that as a pivotal character such as Flemeth/Mythal has been in the series so far, falling prey to a new character in Solas redressed in codex identities is not shocking but odd. If we begin just re-naming or recasting characters for effect where does that end?

 

Oghren returns only to be possessed by an ancient Avvar God! DA:V Battle of the undying, ever vengeful body hopping not-Gods!

 

Merrill removes false elf ears to reveal she was Andraste all along! (And you thought Clark Kent's glasses were suspect!)      

[MACharlie1]

Everyone keeps saying that, but I just see 2 dragons. The "wolf" clearly has dragon wings to my eyes. I think the fresco is simply Inquisitor dragon slaying Corypheus dragon and has no secret meaning.

 

 

But I do agree with the game notes.

Legs. Teeth. Fur. Wolf. 

[Dolfanar]

If I'm not mistaken Flemeth received Mythal's grace/power when in desperate need for it. Not only was she in need but she called for help and in her plea Mythal came to her aid and offered herself to the bond. 

 

In the ending sequence Solas/Dreadwolf pleas with Mythal as Flemeth had for the power to do what was needed for his People. Flemeth needed a new form as she had already established with Morrigan and was suggested or lightly implied of Keiran in a playthrough with Morrigan's child in it. If Solas inadvertently did this or intentionally did this is the question. But we have a track record to make a good conclusion that Mythal's glow as seen emanating from Flemeth before was seen in the scene. Solas may have already had knowledge of this union. Consolidating that power may have been a last ditch effort for Flemeth/Mythal and Solas/Dreadwolf to achieve their goals.

 

I think there are two camps here; one hoping that even though Solas wasn't honest about his identity that he is betrayed here in a twist of Mythal's expression of revenge for her own betrayal. Then another camp seeing a union of sorts that is spoiled by a selfish apology! "I am sorry Dreadwolf." Says Mythal right after Solas admits his dire mishandling of the Elhven orb.

 

What I feel is very confusing is that as a pivotal character such as Flemeth/Mythal has been in the series so far, falling prey to a new character in Solas redressed in codex identities is not shocking but odd. If we begin just re-naming or recasting characters for effect where does that end?

 

Oghren returns only to be possessed by an ancient Avvar God! DA:V Battle of the undying, ever vengeful body hopping not-Gods!

 

Merrill removes false elf ears to reveal she was Andraste all along! (And you thought Clark Kent's glasses were suspect!)      

 

 

I think youave apoint. You can't play this card too often, and they need to be careful to not turn Solas into Flemmeth 2.0. Or Morrigan for that matter. Otherwise character deaths are cheapened.

 

But then, the same could be said for the Insquisitor. He could easily have been filled by the Warden from DAO or Hawke with hardly any changes to the main story.

 

The game designers need to remember that this is OUR story, not theirs...

[AshenEndymion]

Legs. Teeth. Fur. Wolf. 

 

Close.  It's actually: Legs. Teeth. Scales. Wings. Dragon.

[Urzon]

Close.  It's actually: Legs. Teeth. Scales. Wings. Dragon.

It wouldn't surprise me at all is Solas' Dreadwolf form is something close to a large wolf with dragon qualities, but those top "scales" are obviously ruffles of fur. Though, I will admit that the ones on the bottom, if they are attached to the body anyway, look like scale plates on his belly, but that still doesn't take away from the fact that's still clearly a wolf or something closely resembling one. Another point to add, the figure on the left is shown having paws, like a wolf or dog, and not claws like a dragon.

The only figure in that picture with wings is the figure on the right. The figure on the left doesn't show any sort of wings because either A, it doesn't have them, or B, since the rest of its body is cut off from the painting because of the breakline.