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[Force of the North]

When I first saw it on my first play through I thought Flemeth took over Solas. I saw a shimmering cloud leave Solas, flemeth's eye glow Solas' eyes glow he catches flemeth's body while she turns to stone. I thought this meant Solas willing gave up his soul and took Mythal willingly into his body (a soul can not be force on someone) Now Mythal resides within Solas's body. My guess is this was suppose to happen to Morrigan, but she chose to be A mom instead of an all powerful being.

Then I jumped on BSN and everyone saw it differently so I don't know what to believe now. Guess we will have to wait for a DLC or DA4.

[Poledo]

For the life of me, I must have played a different game.  Seeing that ending and coming away thinking Solas was the one that came out on top?  Absolutely not.  Mythal made him her little you know what.

 

This. She talks of a recokoning and I believed her. I think the key take away is when Solas says "I'm sorry" and she says "I am sorry as well old friend". Fen'Harel thinks he is going to be the one taking her power but she has other plans.

 

Also, I am going to put this out there - even though the default keep has Morrigan with no son. The canon is going to be Flemeth having removed the old god soul from Morrigan's son. That's still going to play into this somehow.

[Giantdeathrobot]

It seems more like a merge to me. They seemed to be friends, so one absorbing the other would be strange, plus it means one of the characters dies, which is probably not going to happen in a stinger, especially with Flemeth who was a mainstay of Dragon Age since the first hour of the first game.

[Forsythia77]

I really think Flemeth pushes her Flemethness/Mythal essence into Solas's body because her vessel has expired.  Also, in DA2 where Hawke takes the amulet to the Dalish, my understanding is that like Cory and his dragon, she only puts a part of herself into it, not her entire essense, which is why after the HoF killed her (assuming you killed her in DAO) she was still alive.  So she could have a chunk of herself somewhere else and could just be using Solas like public transit until she finds another vessel to make herself whole.  Or maybe she wanted to merge with Solas to take his Dread Wolf power and make herself even stronger Eh, I'm just throwing stuff out there...

 

I hate a cliffhanger!

[Navasha]

Death is such a mortal concern.   Who said anyone died?  

[durengo]

fen'harel and mythal are two gods.

 

flemeth is a human witch.

solas is a elfe.

 

flemeth said that mythal is one part of her like the heart of the inquisitor is a part of his body.

that's since flemeth agreed the option to get a merge with mythal.

 

flemeth called solas as the dread wolf fen'harel

and she called him 'old friend'

 

 

 

 

a friendship bewtween the elfe and the human witch ?? or between the two gods...mythal and fen'harel?

 

is fen'harel also a part of solas? like mythal is a part of flemeth ?

 

this all sounds like a merge of gods with another race.

 

the question is like before .. what happend in the end cutcene of the game? a merge between solas, flemeth and fen'harel, mythal? or  a absorb ?

 

solas said: iam sorry....and flemeth: I am sorry as well old friend...and yeah that sounds like that both of them follow a own and opposite plan...

[TheBlackSwordsman]

I'm pretty sure we'll have to kill Solas in the future :X

fen'harel and mythal are two gods.

 

flemeth is a human witch.

solas is a elfe.

 

flemeth said that mythal is one part of her like the heart of the inquisitor is a part of his body.

 

flemeth called solas as the dread wolf fen'harel

and she called him 'old friend'

 

 

 

 

a friendship bewtween the elfe and the human witch ?? or between the two gods...mythal and fen'harel?

 

is fen'harel also a part of solas? like mythal is a part of flemeth ?

 

this all sounds like a merge of gods with another race.

This is the first question that came in my head after discovering the stuff about Flemeth hosting Mythal,I think that Fen'harel is part of Solas,but maybe the Nisolas Cage is his original body after all

 

[Cha0sEff3ct]

I thought it was Flemeth who dies in that scene? He's the one trying to hold her as she collapses.

 

This. She talks of a recokoning and I believed her. I think the key take away is when Solas says "I'm sorry" and she says "I am sorry as well old friend". Fen'Harel thinks he is going to be the one taking her power but she has other plans.

 

Also, I am going to put this out there - even though the default keep has Morrigan with no son. The canon is going to be Flemeth having removed the old god soul from Morrigan's son. That's still going to play into this somehow.

Who would be the canon father then? The Warden, Alistair or Loghain?

[Uirebhiril]

Also, I am going to put this out there - even though the default keep has Morrigan with no son. The canon is going to be Flemeth having removed the old god soul from Morrigan's son. That's still going to play into this somehow.

 

The "world canon" has a female Dalish elf doing the ultimate sacrifice, thus, no OGB. They can't just magically have Morrigan have an OGB in the third game if it never came to pass in the first, nor force that on people who are doing a game with an US Warden.

 

I find it easy to believe that it's exactly what the dev notes indicated - Solas gains Mythal's power, and Mythal's essence will get passed on to Morrigan. Whether Flemeth will return as she was is a good question... but should be interesting to see where DLC and the future takes the game. It could change between now and then anyway.

[ThreeF]

Just because there is no OGB it doesn't mean that Flemeth could not produce another soul from somewhere else, it also doesn't mean that another soul is needed.

 

That orb Flemeth sends through mirror could be, and probably is, a little bit of Flemeth herself and not the whole thing. Flemeth is known to have backup plans like that as shown in DA2

[Heidirs]

The developer notes state that Solas needed to absorb Mythal's power to further his plans to help The People and that Mythal intended to let him have her power so long as she could pass the essence of her Godhood on to Morrigan, which we know didn't happen.

 

I've been told if you visit Val Roux after the end of the game you can find someone talking about dreams they are having some woman named Mythal calling out to them, which suggests that while Solas was able to absorb her power, Mythal's godhood is still floating around out there somewhere.

 

So there's that along with whatever she was putting in the mirror. 

[durengo]

more questions about the end cutscene:

 

 

about the eluvian into the cutscene....was that the one from the temple of mythal..(i  thought  one got destroyed???) the one behind the well of sorrows or another one into the temple? or another eluvian everywhere in thedas  ?

 

if flemeth/mythal pushed a soul.. essence .. spirit .. or a power orb through the eluvian then where did the orb comes out again? how can it be found from morrigan???

[durengo]

 

 

 

 Mythal's godhood is still floating around out there somewhere.

hmmm ok.

 

would be nice to know if my inquisitor is bound on the mythal godhood or not ... because he drank from the well of sorrows.

 

whats about the wellwoman?

 

http://img1.wikia.no...2/WellWoman.jpg

 

was that andraste or mythal?

 

i remember this woman ghost frome another cutscene as well. hmm wasn't the same ghost in the fade??? iam not sure...

[MACharlie1]

hmmm ok.

 

would be nice to know if my inquisitor is bound on the mythal godhood or not ... because he drank from the well of sorrows.

 

whats about the wellwoman?

 

http://img1.wikia.no...2/WellWoman.jpg

 

was that andraste or mythal?

 

i remember this woman ghost frome another cutscene as well. hmm wasn't the same ghost in the fade??? iam not sure...

The well woman is probably just supposed to be a spirit or something representing Mythal. Devs have said it was supposed to be a very ambiguous character without any features but that didn't get translated. 

[durengo]

anyways...

i love the end ... it's brilliant!

 

first of all the end with solas is a big surprise and a unexpected end.

if solas will be the next enemy for the inquisitor then the story will be more complexity.

because the inquisitor had a friendly relationship to solas in the past.

the new enemy could be a old friend..that could hurt the feelings.

it increase the hate and the demand retribution of the aggrieved and from the betrayed inquisitor

 

it was the intention of the end  to let people speculate about what happens next and what has happened with flemeth, mythal, the dread wolf and solas.

thats exactly what all do.

[Fearsome1]

Their dialogue is vague enough, but implies a degree of familiarity between the pair that suggests that each character has an idea of where the other stands on the matter of whatever the heck passed between them. Solas remains, but he absorbed something from Flemeth, likely that part of her which was Mythal.

 

But.

 

A brief moment before the Dread Wolf arrives, we also were very clearly shown Flemeth/Mythal putting some portion of herself into the Eluvian. The most likely possibility being the Old God Soul that she had absorbed from Kieran. I know that there are alternative possibilities, but no matter what actually passed into the Crossroads; something did and Solas/Dread Wolf did not receive that portion.

 

Flemeth may truly be dead, but the fabled Witch of the Wilds did something before her passing that will reverberate down the road.

[Cryofax]

Flemeth is the one stealing Solas' (Dread Wolf's) body. Firstly, the theme of the game seems to be to contradict and expose a lot of the commonly held beliefs. One such revelation is that The Dread Wolf was perhaps NOT the evil deceiver portrayed, but in fact trapped the other Gods for some other reason. His attitude at the end of the game (and throughout as Solas) seems to indicate a kind and remorseful being. It's possible those other Gods were the ones who were evil and Dread Wolf was trapping them to save the Elves from their wrath.

We know little about Mythal, other than Flemeth's angry explanation that the God will have her vengeance. Do you think they'd introduce this whole plotline involving what could be the series' main villain only to toss it away? No, this is the story of Mythal's growing power, and taking over The Dread Wolf is but the next step.

Finally, the video itself says it all. Solas says he's sorry for losing the orb, and Flemeth, while embracing him says she's also sorry pause "old friend". Clearly pre apologizing for what she is about to do, the "old friend" being a slightly ominous portent. As soon as she uttered that line I thought she was about to kill him. He looks up, and at that instant you see his face change as she passes into him and leaves her old body.

[Tamyn]

The orb, the ball of power, is now useless. Fen'harel says someone has to pay the price (of power I assume), but HE is needed by the people. Ergo, someone ELSE needs to pay the price. And that someone else is Flemeth. They aren't enemies; they are teammates looking out for the welfare of the elves and presumably some restoration of the Elvhen. Mythal body-hops because her original body was killed thousands of years ago. As far as we know, Fen'harel was never killed. With Mythal's spirit come her powers, which she gave to Flemeth. Fen'harel took her powers because he thinks his being alive is necessary to accomplish his and Mythal's plan. So Flemeth the body died, and Mythal the elven goddess still exists in some form. Even though Flemeth the body is dead, Mythal the goddess can still be a part of helping the Elvhen, via Fen'harel's use of her powers.

 

Plus, if that whole body-snatching of Morrigan thing from DA:O was true, then Mythal needs years to prep a body for her takeover. Fen'harel surprised her. He came to her lair for the purpose of taking her power.

 

I interpret the "I'm sorry" "I'm sorry too" as: "I'm sorry you can't be at my side to see this through, but I have to sacrifice you." and "I'm sorry I won't be able to be there either." It's regret, not "muahaha, now I'm going to stab you in the back!" She gives him a motherly stroke of the cheek then gasps as her power is suddenly ripped from her.

 

She's the one with the surprised reaction, not him. If she was taking him over, he would have done something like recoil and fall down. Instead, he remains smoothly in control of himself the entire time, catching her body and gently laying it down. I have faith in the artists that the most obvious conclusion is the correct one.

[Cryofax]

She's the one with the surprised reaction, not him. If she was taking him over, he would have done something like recoil and fall down. Instead, he remains smoothly in control of himself the entire time, catching her body and gently laying it down. I have faith in the artists that the most obvious conclusion is the correct one.

 

I interpreted the surprised reaction on Flemeth's face as her body simply feeling the shock of death as Mythal left her body. Your scenario is also completely plausible of course. I feel like from a storytelling standpoint Flemeth has been the schemer and manipulator and thus would be the one tricking The Dread Wolf into being taken over. But I admit there is much we don't know and it's possible Flemeth was much more benign than we imagine.

 

Of course we don't have to necessarily attribute nefarious intent to it at all. It begins to get confusing as to exactly who, or what, is "in charge" in a given body. Is it Mythal with the powers of Dread Wolf, vice versa, or some combination? And was there any part of Flemeth left that wasn't mostly Mythal? So many questions!

[electrifried]

I interpreted the surprised reaction on Flemeth's face as her body simply feeling the shock of death as Mythal left her body. Your scenario is also completely plausible of course. I feel like from a storytelling standpoint Flemeth has been the schemer and manipulator and thus would be the one tricking The Dread Wolf into being taken over. But I admit there is much we don't know and it's possible Flemeth was much more benign than we imagine.

 

Of course we don't have to necessarily attribute nefarious intent to it at all. It begins to get confusing as to exactly who, or what, is "in charge" in a given body. Is it Mythal with the powers of Dread Wolf, vice versa, or some combination? And was there any part of Flemeth left that wasn't mostly Mythal? So many questions!

 

I saw the epilogue scene again today and whilst I initially thought Solas absorbed/killed Flemeth, the way they talk to each other reminds me of someone reporting in, like Felassan in the Masked Empire. Perhaps you're right and Flemythal is tricking everyone into going with her plans. And maybe Solas is bound or obligated to Mythal in some way still? When Mythal is talking to inky in the fade she says she's been planning something for years, a reckoning that will shake the heavens (or something along those lines). Flemeth was the vessel but Mythal may be the one with the upper hand here still, especially since we know Solas' plans don't always work out the way he expects. I dunno just a thought...but seeing the epilogue scene again today with knowing what happens in trespasser, I can't help but feel like Mythal has this all worked out, much more than what Solas has anyway. 

[Gervaise]

Except that Solas already had his plan before he met Mythal.    If Cory hadn't survived the unlocking of the Orb, Thedas would already be in fiery chaos.   It is almost as though Mythal couldn't bring herself to be that ruthless, so gave up her power to Solas because she knew he was.    However, Flemeth always has a contingency plan so it is likely that in some way this will back fire on Solas.     May be it will be the Well.   I don't believe absorbing Mythal gives him control.   I think she already released you (or Morrigan) when she left.   If you drink, then already it has given you the power to control spirits the same as Solas.     We didn't get the full story from Solas concerning what happened in the past; we never do.    The fact that he doesn't want to divulge why this world has to end to bring back his because he says it would be revealing too much, reveals much in itself.    He says he suspects you have questions but either does not answer or you never get the chance to ask really helpful questions from your point of view.    He also tells a romanced Inquisitor he does not want her to witness first hand what he will become and that his path leads to death, so I suspect there is some transformation involved in his latest plan but it seems at present that it is Solas in control, not Mythal.

[leaguer of one]

I saw the epilogue scene again today and whilst I initially thought Solas absorbed/killed Flemeth, the way they talk to each other reminds me of someone reporting in, like Felassan in the Masked Empire. Perhaps you're right and Flemythal is tricking everyone into going with her plans. And maybe Solas is bound or obligated to Mythal in some way still? When Mythal is talking to inky in the fade she says she's been planning something for years, a reckoning that will shake the heavens (or something along those lines). Flemeth was the vessel but Mythal may be the one with the upper hand here still, especially since we know Solas' plans don't always work out the way he expects. I dunno just a thought...but seeing the epilogue scene again today with knowing what happens in trespasser, I can't help but feel like Mythal has this all worked out, much more than what Solas has anyway. 

Trespasser prove Solas is alive and not under control....Stop raising old topics.

[KumoriYami]

I don't think Mythal is dead.  Flemeth isn't the kind of person to not prepare back-ups... and while I do believe she passed some of her power to Solas, there's nothing that doesn't say that she kept some of it or have it pass through the eluvian... or something.

[leaguer of one]

I don't think Mythal is dead.  Flemeth isn't the kind of person to not prepare back-ups... and while I do believe she passed some of her power to Solas, there's nothing that doesn't say that she kept some of it or have it pass through the eluvian... or something.

That for Morrigan. Flemeth...She's dead, jim.

[electrifried]

Except that Solas already had his plan before he met Mythal.    If Cory hadn't survived the unlocking of the Orb, Thedas would already be in fiery chaos.   It is almost as though Mythal couldn't bring herself to be that ruthless, so gave up her power to Solas because she knew he was.    However, Flemeth always has a contingency plan so it is likely that in some way this will back fire on Solas.     May be it will be the Well.   I don't believe absorbing Mythal gives him control.   I think she already released you (or Morrigan) when she left.   If you drink, then already it has given you the power to control spirits the same as Solas.     We didn't get the full story from Solas concerning what happened in the past; we never do.    The fact that he doesn't want to divulge why this world has to end to bring back his because he says it would be revealing too much, reveals much in itself.    He says he suspects you have questions but either does not answer or you never get the chance to ask really helpful questions from your point of view.    He also tells a romanced Inquisitor he does not want her to witness first hand what he will become and that his path leads to death, so I suspect there is some transformation involved in his latest plan but it seems at present that it is Solas in control, not Mythal.

Hmm I don't think Mythal releases you if you drank from the well, she just says she has no use of you..yet. Solas could have met Mythal before the Inquisition was formed since he woke up a year before and was using the eluvians well before then.

 

Trespasser prove Solas is alive and not under control....Stop raising old topics.

 

Also just because we see Solas is alive doesn't mean he isn't being controlled or manipulated by Mythal in some way.