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[DragonAddict]

When you start up DAI, you have three options:

 

 

(01) Straight game play

 

(02) random mix

 

(03) gay game play

 

 

 

This way, if someone likes to only play as a straight character, the game's characters would be straight.

 

Or if someone is gay, they can play as a gay character and the games characters would be gay.

 

Or some would rather have a random mix and see what they'd get.

 

 

This would solve all the hoopla about sex sex sex. No more complaints about male and female straight gamers saying, I want to romance her or him but they're gay.

 

Or gay players who want to romance a certain female or male and they can't becasue they're straight.

 

 

Would this not work?

 

 

And we instead can focus on fixing the many bugs in DAI. Like CTD's......sluggish frame rates, etc.

[AresKeith]

No

[Texhnolyze101]

*Grabs popcorn and sits down and waits*

[DragonAddict]

Why wouldn't it work?

 

Everyone would be happy.

 

Myself, I would chose straight gameplay and others could chose gay gameplay and others still could chose a mix gamplay.

 

This wouldn't offend me at all because it would work.

 

 

Making almost everyone gay, lesbian and bi sexual isn't realistic.

[Natashina]

Uh oh...

 

 

 

I don't think I could give you an answer past "No" and stay polite right now.  Nothing personal, just too much BSN with too little coffee.

[Just My Moniker]

[eyezonlyii]

 

this is going to be good

[eyezonlyii]

Uh oh...

 

 

 

I don't think I could give you an answer past "No" and stay polite right now.  Nothing personal, just too much BSN with too little coffee.

I LOVE THIS GIF (it's saved on my phone)

[ThreeF]

No

this.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

That's not how the whole representation and inclusion thing works.

[DragonAddict]

So no one wants to talk about this and have solutions?

 

This is not a flame war or an attack.

 

Constructive positive posts with real solutions, otherwise, don't bother posting.

[daveliam]

Uh oh...

 

 

 

I don't think I could give you an answer past "No" and stay polite right now.  Nothing personal, just too much BSN with too little coffee.

 

I'll tag in and give it a shot.  But only because you are using one of my favorite Ru moments in that gif!  (Ru 2016!)

 

Why wouldn't it work?

 

Everyone would be happy.

 

Myself, I would chose straight gameplay and others could chose gay gameplay and others still could chose a mix gamplay.

 

This wouldn't offend me at all because it would work.

 

 

Making almost everyone gay, lesbian and bi sexual isn't realistic.

 

The developers have already stated that they aren't interested in this option.  Characters are developed with a sexuality and they aren't interested in developing characters with 'playersexual' sexuality.  Additionally, there are people who find it questionable to have a 'gay toggle' that can be used to eliminate gay content from the game.  While that's not the purpose for it from  your perspective, there are definitely people out there who would select that just so that they don't have to deal with having 'the gay agenda' 'forced down their throats'.  And Bioware isn't interested in pandering to those people. 

 

Also, "almost everyone" isn't gay, lesbian, and bisexual in DA: I.  In DA: I, the only LGBT people that we know of for sure are Dorian, Sera, Bull, Josephine, Leliana, Celene, Briala, Harding, and a couple of rando NPCs.  That's about 10 characters in a game with, literally, hundreds of characters.  If you are referring to just LI's, then it's still only 4 out of 8, which is half (not "almost everyone").

[Fade-Touched-in-the-head]

Op = Dorian's father. Looking for an option to turn the gay off.

[ThreeF]

So no one wants to talk about this and have solutions?

 

This is not a flame war or an attack.

 

Constructive positive posts with real solutions, otherwise, don't bother posting.

I'm not seeing the problem you are trying to solve

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Definitely a world of no.

 

I would not want this for the game, at all.

[DragonAddict]

I'll tag in and give it a shot.  But only because you are using one of my favorite Ru moments in that gif!  (Ru 2016!)

 

 

The developers have already stated that they aren't interested in this option.  Characters are developed with a sexuality and they aren't interested in developing characters with 'playersexual' sexuality.  Additionally, there are people who find it questionable to have a 'gay toggle' that can be used to eliminate gay content from the game.  While that's not the purpose for it from  your perspective, there are definitely people out there who would select that just so that they don't have to deal with having 'the gay agenda' 'forced down their throats'.  And Bioware isn't interested in pandering to those people. 

 

Also, "almost everyone" isn't gay, lesbian, and bisexual in DA: I.  In DA: I, the only LGBT people that we know of for sure are Dorian, Sera, Bull, Josephine, Leliana, Celene, Briala, Harding, and a couple of rando NPCs.  That's about 10 characters in a game with, literally, hundreds of characters. 

 

So basically you can't win, no matter what you try?

 

It's a no win situation?

 

And yes, true, my post is innocent with no attacking and negativity intended.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Everyone would be happy.

 

I suspect a lot of people would be unhappy, for similar reasons as to why making every character bisexual/playersexual in DA 2 did not make everyone happy. Because most of us play to meet and get to know characters for who they are, not to have simulated romances.

[AxholeRose]

 

This way, if someone likes to only play as a straight character, the game's characters would be straight.

 

Or if someone is gay, they can play as a gay character and the games characters would be gay.

 

Or some would rather have a random mix and see what they'd get.

 

 

Sorry but that seems awfully bleak to me.  A world with only straight characters?  No thanks, I actually enjoy diversity in video games, and Bioware have done a brilliant job.

 

There are easier ways to implement what you are suggesting.  It's called modding.  You can change whatever you want, within reason.  And without forcing it on the entire player base.  The only people who lose out are the console gamers but that is a trade off they accepted when they chose to game on a console.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Constructive positive posts with real solutions, otherwise, don't bother posting.

 

Simply because you don't like someone's opinion, does not mean you get to decide whether they are allowed to post.

[HuldraDancer]

Hmmm now I'm starting to see why my old thread went down pretty badly people were mistaking it for something like this. Interesting. Sorry don't have much to say that's really on topic.

[DragonAddict]

Simply because you don't like someone's opinion, does not mean you get to decide whether they are allowed to post.

 

And what did your post accomplish just now?

 

Nothing.

 

Solutions, suggestions, insights.......possibilities.

[daveliam]

So basically you can't win, no matter what you try?

 

It's a no win situation?

 

And yes, true, my post is innocent with no attacking and negativity intended.

 

Yeah, I think that's the gist of it.  Bioware is in a no-win situation in that there is no way to please everyone around this.  So they are just best off picking one approach that supports their vision and going with it.  Personally, I think the DA: I approach is the best one.  I like have a larger pool of LI's, but having the sexualities spread out, provided that everyone gets at least two options (that's where DA: O fell down).  While I would romance the hell out of Cullen and Blackwall with a male character, I'd rather them be straight than 'playersexual'.  That doesn't feel right to me. 

 

Also, note that I don't think that the DA 2 LI's were playersexual.  They were bisexual (minus straight Sebastian), but some of them just didn't make a big deal about their sexuality.  To me, playersexuality is when the character is 'straight' with one gender and 'gay' with the other.  A lot of mobile text-based RPGs do this (look at Choice of Games), where the same character is a straight male if you are a straight female, a lesbian if you are a lesbian, a straight female if you are a straight guy, and a gay guy if you are a gay guy.  That's playersexuality to me. 

[DragonAddict]

This is not an attack against those who chose the gay romnancing options in DAI.

 

It's an option for those straight gamers would like to romance certain characters that are only gay and lesbian.

 

My post is innocent I admit and my intentions are pure.

 

I personally would love to have the option in the setup of DAI.

 

Remember, this is a video game afterall and not reality.

[Natashina]

Yeah, I think that's the gist of it.  Bioware is in a no-win situation in that there is no way to please everyone around this.  So they are just best off picking one approach that supports their vision and going with it.  Personally, I think the DA: I approach is the best one.  I like have a larger pool of LI's, but having the sexualities spread out, provided that everyone gets at least two options (that's where DA: O fell down).  While I would romance the hell out of Cullen and Blackwall with a male character, I'd rather them be straight than 'playersexual'.  That doesn't feel right to me. 

 

Also, note that I don't think that the DA 2 LI's were playersexual.  They were bisexual (minus straight Sebastian), but some of them just didn't make a big deal about their sexuality.  To me, playersexuality is when the character is 'straight' with one gender and 'gay' with the other.  A lot of mobile text-based RPGs do this (look at Choice of Games), where a character is a straight male if you are a straight female, a lesbian if you are a lesbian, a straight female if you are a straight guy, and a gay guy if you are a gay guy.  That's playersexuality to me. 

I wanted to add that if you're curious OP, David Gaider confirmed that all of the love interests from DA2 were bisexual at last year's GaymerX Con .  Dave and I both know one poster that is still pretty bitter about that too.

 

I'm sure you don't mean any harm, but this question has been asked off and on for the better part of six years.  BioWare has always said no.  Technical issues aside, they don't want to tell their stories like that.  They want it to be organic and for any sort of gay toggle to work, they'd have to constantly rewrite the story.  There is such thing as a word budget and the game would have to be much shorter to account for the various references for the LIs, and in some cases (Dorian,) would have to have their personal stories edited or removed entirely.  

 

More importantly, they've said repeatedly that adding any sort of "gay toggle" sends the message that being gay is so bad, it has to be toggled like the gore switch.  They feel that is the wrong thing to do, and I completely agree.

 

If someone playing a M rated game can't handle just having homosexuals (or transgendered folks, if my hunch about Mae is correct) around, then I think they should go play something else.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

And what did your post accomplish just now?

 

Nothing.

 

Solutions, suggestions, insights.......possibilities.

 

It accomplished pointing out to you that you don't get to decide who posts based on whether you agree with them.

 

It wasn't a complicated sentiment.

 

I don't see the need for solutions. I am happy with the way they handled things in DA:I. My opinion is a valid one to share, whether you like it or not.