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#226
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The op is too much nonsense to be worth answering, but I do want to address something that I find oh so annoying lol.

Enough with the stupid "sexual preference" nonsense! :P It's like "i prefer men, but if none available a woman will do I suppose *sigh* ". Do you really feel like that? :P If you do, more power to you, bisexuality needs to be addressed, but can we let go of this idiotic wording for it? :)

 

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I like it, it is a good idea that would prevent me from experiencing unsavory spectacles. I would like it even more if they focus solely on the straight romances, but this idea is too good to be possible.

 

 

I like it, it is a good idea that would prevent me from experiencing unsavory spectacles.

 

 

unsavory spectacles

 

I'm all for people having their own opinions on matters, but... Really? That's what you decided to call it?


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All I can think of is David Gaider at the GDC panel in 2013, talking about sex and romance in BioWare games.  For those that don't know, GDC stands for Game Developer Conference.  This isn't a con for fans or for investment holders.  This is an annual convention of game designers and developers getting together with their peers. When David Gaider talked about the gay toggle requests, the audience actually laughed out of disbelief.   It was the very idea of a gay toggle, (because I'm calling this thread what is) that made other developers from different companies laugh.  He then had to explain to his fellow peers in the industry how serious these requests were.   

Haha, wow...



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No, the issue is that the OP wanted to romance Sera as a male IQ and tried hide his own issues behind "equality".

Which is what made me think he's only interested in having straight/gay toggles for romances as opposed to complete erasure of gay characters and segregation.



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Now on a technical level, the toggle would be EXTREMELY easy to implement and given how EA/Bioware have their flag system, it wouldn't be hard to do. It's actually extremely simple. Bioware has had years & years & years of creating plot flags in whatever creation kits they use.  It would be SIMPLE, to add this feature.  You would only need to change a few sentences per companion to address the player as "he" or "she".

 

The technical aspect of this is pretty much a non-issue. It really doesn't matter how easy or difficult it would be for BioWare to implement it; it's clear that they simply don't want to, and likely never will.


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This is pointless, stupid and mildly offensive. Gaider and other developers and writers have made it quite clear that they aren't going to sanitize the game of its LBGT content just so that some people with curiously specific issues with such content are happy. The same way that they aren't going to toggle a only Caucasian option or a only blonds option. It is a waste of resources and would garner far more negative attention then people like the OP can muster. 

 

It ain't gonna happen.  


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No man, you got it wrong.  I want you to be happy.  You could be much happier if David Gaider had the creative freedom to make the game EVEN more gay than it already is. Imagine DAI being three times as gay as it currently is. Wouldn't you be happy? All I'm saying is that if it could be filtered out somehow so I don't have to see it that would be great, why? Because I'm straight man.  That doesn't mean I don't like you. Hell I'll buy you a beer in real life man.

 

 

For some reason seeing gay content breaks my immersion. I just want to focus on the game and what is normal for me in my life.  In my life, I have zero interactions with anything gay, I rarely watch TV and don't know any gay people at work.  When I come home I watch non-gay tv shows and non-gay movies.

 

When I see gay content in game, I don't like it.  I will tolerate it if I have to.  I'm also a nice guy, so if I absolutely have to deal with gay content, I'll take solace knowing that it makes other people happy.

 

Now on a technical level, the toggle would be EXTREMELY easy to implement and given how EA/Bioware have their flag system, it wouldn't be hard to do. It's actually extremely simple. Bioware has had years & years & years of creating plot flags in whatever creation kits they use.  It would be SIMPLE, to add this feature.  You would only need to change a few sentences per companion to address the player as "he" or "she".

Non-gay content...hmmm. And what constitutes gay content? And are you certain you know NO gay people at your job? There are plenty of men and women who are gay and you would never know it. But here's the thing, under no circumstances are you required to see gay content. Dorian's quest only comes up if you keep talking to him about it, and I'm more than reasonably sure by that point, he's made it clear he's into men. For the sake of the argument, you can do his quest and still not see any "gay stuff" because you don't have to romance him. Or Bull. All the "gay stuff" is locked until you initiate the heart-symbol responses in the dialogue.

 

Because I read the rest of the thread too and got the impression that, questionable wording of the OP post aside, the issue here is more the romances, than the rest. I could be wrong though, ideally OP would clarify on this.

Even if that were the case, the fact that OP is suggesting that the game erase someone's sexuality (gay/straight/bi/whatever) is what we're calling out in and of itself. For instance, if I didn't like Dwarves, would I get an option in the character creator to turn all the Dwarves into Elves? No, because that's not the story they want to tell. 

 


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All I suggested was the individual gamer of DAI, should at startup with their character creation, have a sexual orientation option and that choice would effect the romances and interactions of that persons game play.

 

That's it.

 

Were everyone else is coming from, I don't know.

 

If someone wants to play a straight or gay character and chose that as their sexual preference, that would mean their game experience would be based on that choice.

 

Since when do others have the right to tell someone, who is playing a video game, that they can or cannot make certain choices for their individual gaming play through?

 

It's based on the indivudal gamers choice and how they want to experience their play through.

 

But that's not good enough either. It's one way or the highway. We should have choice in how we each experience the game.

 

Nothing wrong with that and that's all I said and meant all along. Take it with a grain of salt.



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I'm all for people having their own opinions on matters, but... Really? That's what you decided to call it?

But... but... don't you know....

 

They eat the poo poo. 



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The technical aspect of this is pretty much a non-issue. It really doesn't matter how easy or difficult it would be for BioWare to implement it; it's clear that they simply don't want to, and likely never will.

 

Then EA shouldn't be surprised when their game doesn't sell 20 million copies.

 

This is pointless, stupid and mildly offensive. Gaider and other developers and writers have made it quite clear that they aren't going to sanitize the game of its LBGT content just so that some people with curiously specific issues with such content are happy. The same way that they aren't going to toggle a only Caucasian option or a only blonds option. It is a waste of resources and would garner far more negative attention then people like the OP can muster. 

 

It ain't gonna happen.  

 

Who says anything about removing gay content from the game? The toggle option would give David Gaider the freedom to make the game extremely gay to satisfy the LGBT community even more without shocking the hell out of straight people.



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All I suggested was the individual gamer of DAI, should at startup with their character creation, have a sexual orientation option and that choice would effect the romances and interactions of that persons game play.

 

That's it.

 

This already exists.

 

It's called "deciding to play a gay or straight character".


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It's one way or the highway.

 

If you are so offended by that fact that you must claim to be a victim of the inability to do so, file a complaint with contact@bioware.com, and good luck with that.



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And are you certain you know NO gay people at your job? There are plenty of men and women who are gay and you would never know it

 

Pppffft, everyone is straight until proven otherwise with these people.



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No, the issue is that the OP wanted to romance Sera as a male IQ and tried hide his own issues behind "equality".

 

No, Sera was just an example I had used.

 

I actually romanced Casandra.



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But... but... don't you know....

 

They eat the poo poo. 

 

"National Task Force Against Homosexuality".

 

I know this exists, yet I'm always surprised by it.


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If there was going to an option in the character creator to pick the sexuality of the player character I wouldn't want that to change the sexualities of the other characters. But it would be fine if it added some back story to the player character or if it added something like if you picked the lesbian option your character would wear a Xena the Warrior Princess t-shirt (even though I was kidding I could totally imagine Lila Shepard with a t-shirt saying "what would Xena do?")



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No man, you got it wrong.  I want you to be happy.  You could be much happier if David Gaider had the creative freedom to make the game EVEN more gay than it already is. Imagine DAI being three times as gay as it currently is. Wouldn't you be happy? All I'm saying is that if it could be filtered out somehow so I don't have to see it that would be great, why? Because I'm straight man.  That doesn't mean I don't like you. Hell I'll buy you a beer in real life man.
 

 
For some reason seeing gay content breaks my immersion. I just want to focus on the game and what is normal for me in my life.  In my life, I have zero interactions with anything gay, I rarely watch TV and don't know any gay people at work.  When I come home I watch non-gay tv shows and non-gay movies.
 
When I see gay content in game, I don't like it.  I will tolerate it if I have to.  I'm also a nice guy, so if I absolutely have to deal with gay content, I'll take solace knowing that it makes other people happy.
 
Now on a technical level, the toggle would be EXTREMELY easy to implement and given how EA/Bioware have their flag system, it wouldn't be hard to do. It's actually extremely simple. Bioware has had years & years & years of creating plot flags in whatever creation kits they use.  It would be SIMPLE, to add this feature.  You would only need to change a few sentences per companion to address the player as "he" or "she".
 

 
Skyrim handled what little romance there was in that game perfectly. Skyrim also sold twenty million copies. Skyrim is also moddable. Bethesda doesn't care what you do to their game, they want it to be YOUR WORLD. Bioware needs to get off their high horse and start making the game FOR THE PLAYER, not to appease the writers.


My guess about what "bizarre content" broke your immersion was correct. I hate it when I'm right about these things.

Your comments about how easy it would be to add a toggle betray your ignorance about game development. It's not nearly as easy as you seem to think.

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This has nothing to do with the real world, people and their jobs, lives, etc.

 

It's just a video game and with a possible choice for sexual orientation that would effect their gaming play experiences with romances and interactions.

 

It's a video game.



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Then EA shouldn't be surprised when their game doesn't sell 20 million copies.

 

This isn't a very compelling argument. No one here can reasonably predict that EA/BioWare will lose out on massive sales numbers because of the inclusion of homosexual characters in their titles. So far, it has yet to have any negative impact.

 

In any case, petty homophobes with nothing shiny to grab their attention elsewhere isn't the sort of audience that really needs to be catered to anyhow.


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My guess about what "bizarre content" broke your immersion was correct. I hate it when I'm right about these things.

Your comments about how easy it would be to add a toggle betray your ignorance about game development. It's not nearly as easy as you seem to think.

He's beating the same dead horse in his own thread too.


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Then EA shouldn't be surprised when their game doesn't sell 20 million copies.
 
 
Who says anything about removing gay content from the game? The toggle option would give David Gaider the freedom to make the game extremely gay to satisfy the LGBT community even more without shocking the hell out of straight people.


...... :huh:


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#248
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Your orientation does affect the game. By allowing you to romance certain people and not others. The end.



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Coming back into this thread after that little joke, the concept presented by the Original Poster makes no sense, at least in my opinion.

If you only want the option for straight/gay/goat/ETC romances that's perfectly fine: you don't have to click on the option that says 'Press X to Dorian' if you are playing a straight character. However, making separate game worlds makes no sense, both from a story standpoint and from a production standpoint.

In regards to the story standpoint, the concept of romance has become a pinnacle trait1 in Bioware games, with characters each with their own likes and dislikes. Removing said likes and dislikes for the purposes of a specific type of 'sexual playthrough' make no sense, as you can simply ignore and not reciprocate those likes and dislikes. To remove those likes and dislikes and allocate them to separate 'worlds' is to remove parts of a character and thus give you an incomplete story. Or worse, you would be changing a characters existence for the purposes of appeasement, making everyone the same just so someone isn't offended. A character should be someone who is concrete; who has their own personality, nature, background, likes, dislikes. No one likes to read about a character who changes their thoughts, feelings, personality, and even history based on the whims of others: That's the work of Mary Sues and bad Fan-Fiction. To make such things fluctuate based on play-through is to reduce the credibility that these characters have and can contribute to the world at large.

 

To return to my 'Press X to Dorian' joke, and make it more serious: There is a sizable portion of Dorian's character the revolves around his father's disdain for Dorian's refusal to hide who he is behind a set of smoke, mirrors, and a wife. If you had the option of a straight playthrough, what happens to that portion of Dorian's character? Is it just handwaved as never happening, to allow either the player not to be offended, or to allow a female character to romance Dorian? Likewise, are all characters thus changed so that they can be romanced by anyone? Sera suddenly likes men, and Solas will date anyone of any race or gender?

...That's without taking into account the concept of a 'random world' where you could have a Straight Dorian, a gay Cullen, and a Solas who will sleep with anything that's not an elf. All these variables, and all these ruined characters...for what purpose?

From a production standpoint, this means a LOT of extra and unneeded work. Not only would you have to record even more dialogue after ruining the integrity of these characters, but you would then have to have these changes recorded in the Dragon Age Keep under a 'sexuality' tab:

'Did your Inquisitor partake in the Straight only Option, the gay one, or just a completely random one?' How silly does that sound? This whole topic reminds me of a speech made in Metal Gear Solid 2, of which I will let you listen to on your own accord.

 

I'm too lazy to finish this train of thought.

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1 The writer does not consider this to be a positive thing; hiding a good chunk of some character's development behind a sort of 'romance pay wall'. He thinks there should be a greater focus on friendship and camaraderie than on romance...but that's his opinion, no need to go spreading that about or anything.


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#250
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Then EA shouldn't be surprised when their game doesn't sell 20 million copies.

 

 

Who says anything about removing gay content from the game? The toggle option would give David Gaider the freedom to make the game extremely gay to satisfy the LGBT community even more without shocking the hell out of straight people.

 

Are we going to entertain the effect on game sales? Because this toggle option would definitely effect it for the negative.