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[Dreamer]

Whoever it is, let's make sure that gif is represented on EVERY page of this thread. Please and thank you.

[Meave]

I suspect a lot of people would be unhappy, for similar reasons as to why making every character bisexual/playersexual in DA 2 did not make everyone happy. Because most of us play to meet and get to know characters for who they are, not to have simulated romances.

 

I find this kinda sexist. Sexual orientation doesn't shape someone's character. Not one character have difficulties when dealing with any gender. How would Sera be less Sera or any kind of different is she didn't like to romance woman? There is absolutely no difference neither in story nor conversation.

 

And for Dorian, well PC could persuade him to try relationship with a woman which could be doomed and ended after few years, but hey, chances are in DA4 (if they make it) you would play yet another character and who cares about some note that Inquisitor and Dorian didn't make it...

 

All characters bisexual would solve all problems. You still can flirt with anyone now regardless on character orientation, so no difference in dialogue. Only difference is that you can't kiss/have sex with them and if they enabled it, it is no additional work for programmers...

 

So why you have option to flirt with Cassandra and not get into romantic relationship with her? If she mind, why doesn't she tells you that she don't like you flirting with her at first place? If you're heterosexual, how would you react if some woman/man of same gender was constantly hitting on you? I doubt majority would let it slide...

 

And "most of us" oh please, did you saw some poll results? But hey, I play along. I say most of us want to have romantic relationship with whomever we chose.

[Dai Grepher]

I wouldn't mind BioWare trying their hand at one character who is player-sexual. But not all the characters.

[WildOrchid]

Yes, some males find the most grotesque of things, attractive.

 

yes, nose, lips, jaw, chin

 

Hollywood has quite a special selection, it has nothing to do with beauty itself but creating trends. And yes, all these examples are good.

 

LOL. These women have the exact same jaws as Cass and Josie.

Dude... every time you talk, you make my skin crawl.

[Vanth]

I am not saying that Cass and Josie are ugly, but even the most socially blind person must see that they aren't what is regarded as typically attractive. Surely? Really, if you can't admit that, we are just on such a different wavelength you may as well divorce yourself entirely from mainstream culture.

 

(To be fair though, this is probably true for all of the female NPCs except maybe Vivienne.)

[AlanC9]

All characters bisexual would solve all problems. You still can flirt with anyone now regardless on character orientation, so no difference in dialogue. Only difference is that you can't kiss/have sex with them and if they enabled it, it is no additional work for programmers...

It would solve all problems except for players who don't like that system and writers who don't want to write that way.

Bio's already tried this system. If they thought it worked they'd have stuck with it.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I am not saying that Cass and Josie are ugly, but even the most socially blind person must see that they aren't what is regarded as typically attractive. Surely? Really, if you can't admit that, we are just on such a different wavelength you may as well divorce yourself entirely from mainstream culture.

There is, in fact, no such thing as 'typically attractive'. Attractiveness is fundamentally subjective, down to an individual level.

 

I'm afraid your point is moot.

[AlanC9]

I am not saying that Cass and Josie are ugly, but even the most socially blind person must see that they aren't what is regarded as typically attractive. Surely? Really, if you can't admit that, we are just on such a different wavelength you may as well divorce yourself entirely from mainstream culture.

(To be fair though, this is probably true for all of the female NPCs except maybe Vivienne.)

You mean that they're... what? 7s rather than 9s?

[Vanth]

There is, in fact, no such thing as 'typically attractive'. Attractiveness is fundamentally subjective, down to an individual level.

 

I'm afraid your point is moot.

 

Bullshit. Attractiveness is an ensemble property. You can't say anything about what one individual would find attractive (since as you say it is subjective) but you can most definitely say what a culture on average regards as attractive. 

[KaiserShep]

All characters bisexual would solve all problems. You still can flirt with anyone now regardless on character orientation, so no difference in dialogue. Only difference is that you can't kiss/have sex with them and if they enabled it, it is no additional work for programmers...

 

Some players criticized the universally available companions in DA2, so it's not like it won't come with its own set of problems. People are going to complain no matter what.

[eyezonlyii]

Good morning everyone. I had a weird dream last night that there was this thread about switching the security of characters in a game, before you even booted it up. How crazy is that?

[MACharlie1]

I still wouldn't mind all options being bisexual.

 

With a catch. Some are 50/50 - both sexes do the exact same thing to enter the romance. Some have to do something extra.

 

A woman who wants Cassandra has to do something extra. A man for Cullen same. A girl who wants Dorian also has to do something extra. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

Bullshit. Attractiveness is an ensemble property. You can't say anything about what one individual would find attractive (since as you say it is subjective) but you can most definitely say what a culture on average regards as attractive. 

I'm honestly at a lost as to what you're trying to convey here. In what possible way is Cassandra or Josephine unattractive to a given 'culture'? What would make a woman regarded as 'attractive' to a particular group of individuals?

 

It doesn't make any sense to me. Beauty and attractive are inherently individual properties and, as such, cannot be evaluated on the basis of 'culture', whatever that constitutes.

[papercut_ninja]

So why you have option to flirt with Cassandra and not get into romantic relationship with her? If she mind, why doesn't she tells you that she don't like you flirting with her at first place?

 

 

...because she does...

[KaiserShep]

I still wouldn't mind all options being bisexual.

 

With a catch. Some are 50/50 - both sexes do the exact same thing to enter the romance. Some have to do something extra.

 

A woman who wants Cassandra has to do something extra. A man for Cullen same. A girl who wants Dorian also has to do something extra. 

 

Make it a roulette. Select the switch, and it randomly picks race gating, with the possibility of all companions not wanting to get with whatever race you picked.

[Vanth]

 

It doesn't make any sense to me. Beauty and attractive are inherently individual properties and, as such, cannot be evaluated on the basis of 'culture', whatever that constitutes.

 

I think you are now being deliberately obtuse. Beauty is very clearly culturally defined. You can argue that is a bad thing if you want, but it is still true. 

[Meave]

It would solve all problems except for players who don't like that system and writers who don't want to write that way.

Bio's already tried this system. If they thought it worked they'd have stuck with it.

 

there is nothing more to write, it require no work whatsoever. And they did write it that way. If what you said was true, you wouldn't be able to flirt with characters that doesn't have interest in you, well no more than once anyway.

[papercut_ninja]

Bullshit. Attractiveness is an ensemble property. You can't say anything about what one individual would find attractive (since as you say it is subjective) but you can most definitely say what a culture on average regards as attractive. 

 

Yes...in regards to females, contemporary western culture finds pretty much everything from Jennifer Lawrence to Beyoncé attractive (going by some of the top ten in a list compiled by a contemporary magazine aimed at straight males), by all accounts, that is such a wide standard that all of the Dragon Age females will fit somewhere within...

[AxholeRose]

It would solve all problems except for players who don't like that system and writers who don't want to write that way.

Bio's already tried this system. If they thought it worked they'd have stuck with it.

 

 

Some players criticized the universally available companions in DA2, so it's not like it won't come with its own set of problems. People are going to complain no matter what.

 

I was not around the forums during DA2, what was the general complaint?  Unrealistic?

[Meave]

I think you are now being deliberately obtuse. Beauty is very clearly culturally defined. You can argue that is a bad thing if you want, but it is still true. 

 

I agree. Why do models look like they do? Cos most people find them attractive and appealing. If people liked chubby or average looking girls, modelling agencies would hire those. It's all about money so what most people like and buy will go...

[Lord Surinen]

LOL. These women have the exact same jaws as Cass and Josie.

Dude... every time you talk, you make my skin crawl.

Indeed, and I do not find them to be attractive past the bubbled minde. Well, their noses differ, not to mention cheek bones, and they do not look like male cosplayers performing gender bend(which is the Cassandra and Josephine case).

 

I'm not a 'dude'. Yes, I've heard it before. Charming, m I not.

[DirkJake]

It seems that Mr. Gaider does not like making all LI bisexual, according to this interview at GaymerX. I quoted the relevant part below.

 

David Gaider: ...The more complicated question is why did we decide there must be straight characters. And that was more like - I said this every time we talked about the romance system for DA2, for instance. Every time I said that if we had the resources, if we had enough romances to go around, I would prefer to have set sexualities. And that making all of them bisexual is a compromise of sorts - not one I really like, because bisexuality itself is not a compromise - it's a distinct sexuality. But, I didn't want to tell four bisexual stories so it even varied in DA2. Isabela, for instance, is very open about her sexuality. She talks about romancing either sex. Then you go all the way to Merrill, who doesn't mention it at all, and the idea was to leave room for ambiguity, but where we ultimately ended up on is that ambiguity wasn't necessarily helpful. I know some people like it, some people really hated it, some people diluted their characters and that led to...that sort of ran down a road of where people called player-sexuality, which isn't a term I really like. Because it implies the player's perception of their sexuality dictates their sexuality.. dictates the reality of their sexuality. So, that if you're a man romancing Merrill, because she never talks about her sexuality, that lets to pretend that she's straight if you like? But you seeing her as straight does not make her straight. She is bisexual, even if you're not exposed to that. That's the same as a bisexual person - a bisexual woman could be in a current romance in a man. That doesn't make her straight - that makes her bisexual. Us changing that wasn't that we didn't want to deal with that - it's that... okay, getting away from that ambiguity with that - okay, we like to have set sexualities so we can tell different stories. We can have actual representation. We can tell stories so that they are bisexual stories adjacent to gay stories and straight stories, as well. It's about having all types of people and not needing the ambiguity means we can include having that part of their character....

 

[AlanC9]

there is nothing more to write, it require no work whatsoever. And they did write it that way. If what you said was true, you wouldn't be able to flirt with characters that doesn't have interest in you, well no more than once anyway.

My fault for not being clearer. It's not the amount of work, it's that the writers don't want to write their characters as all bisexual. See above.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I think you are now being deliberately obtuse. Beauty is very clearly culturally defined. You can argue that is a bad thing if you want, but it is still true.

I can see why you would think beauty is culturally defined, but I'm more inclined to believe that that's a picture that was painted by the media and has no real basis whatsoever.

 

The fact is we humans see beauty in everything, in the same way that we see art in everything. There isn't an established formula for beauty. Saying that a woman is 'unattractive' culturally implies there is a set standard behind the concept of attractiveness. If you don't think that Josephine is 'attractive', that's your own personal perception of her and it's not something anyone is in a position to argue against. But going so far as to expand that point of view to a whole culture is not really conducive to the argument, simply because beauty isn't a thing that's written in stone, no matter how much the media leads us to believe that it is.