I can see why you would think beauty is culturally defined, but I'm more inclined to believe that that's a picture that was painted by the media and has no real basis whatsoever.
You could say this in the past perhaps, but currently the media has painted this concept with such a broad stroke that it has become more or less non-existent.
I was not around the forums during DA2, what was the general complaint? Unrealistic?
there is nothing more to write, it require no work whatsoever. And they did write it that way. If what you said was true, you wouldn't be able to flirt with characters that doesn't have interest in you, well no more than once anyway.
My fault for not being clearer. It's not the amount of work, it's that the writers don't want to write their characters as all bisexual. See above.
Actually, there is quite amount of work in it if you want to depict real bisexuality and not a playersexual compromise, it's a very fine line no matter how well intended one may be.
Personally I think everyone is bi. They are just not admitting it to themselves.
Somebody please do a sketch about Player Sexual characters.
"Iron Bull has a small head"
Wait, what?
It seems that Mr. Gaider does not like making all LI bisexual, according to this interview at GaymerX. I quoted the relevant part below.
David Gaider: ...The more complicated question is why did we decide there must be straight characters. And that was more like - I said this every time we talked about the romance system for DA2, for instance. Every time I said that if we had the resources, if we had enough romances to go around, I would prefer to have set sexualities. And that making all of them bisexual is a compromise of sorts - not one I really like, because bisexuality itself is not a compromise - it's a distinct sexuality. But, I didn't want to tell four bisexual stories so it even varied in DA2. Isabela, for instance, is very open about her sexuality. She talks about romancing either sex. Then you go all the way to Merrill, who doesn't mention it at all, and the idea was to leave room for ambiguity, but where we ultimately ended up on is that ambiguity wasn't necessarily helpful. I know some people like it, some people really hated it, some people diluted their characters and that led to...that sort of ran down a road of where people called player-sexuality, which isn't a term I really like. Because it implies the player's perception of their sexuality dictates their sexuality.. dictates the reality of their sexuality. So, that if you're a man romancing Merrill, because she never talks about her sexuality, that lets to pretend that she's straight if you like? But you seeing her as straight does not make her straight. She is bisexual, even if you're not exposed to that. That's the same as a bisexual person - a bisexual woman could be in a current romance in a man. That doesn't make her straight - that makes her bisexual. Us changing that wasn't that we didn't want to deal with that - it's that... okay, getting away from that ambiguity with that - okay, we like to have set sexualities so we can tell different stories. We can have actual representation. We can tell stories so that they are bisexual stories adjacent to gay stories and straight stories, as well. It's about having all types of people and not needing the ambiguity means we can include having that part of their character....
I'm grateful he said this, and feels so strongly about it. I really dislike the concept of "player-sexual". It seems to me to be an indulgence of personal vanity at the expense of marvelously crafted character.
I'm grateful he said this, and feels so strongly about it. I really dislike the concept of "player-sexual". It seems to me to be an indulgence of personal vanity at the expense of marvelously crafted character.
I feel the same. I'm surprised it took them so long to clarify the situation. It closes the deal on all the speculation concerning these companions' sexualities.
It seems that Mr. Gaider does not like making all LI bisexual, according to this interview at GaymerX. I quoted the relevant part below.
David Gaider: ...The more complicated question is why did we decide there must be straight characters. And that was more like - I said this every time we talked about the romance system for DA2, for instance. Every time I said that if we had the resources, if we had enough romances to go around, I would prefer to have set sexualities. And that making all of them bisexual is a compromise of sorts - not one I really like, because bisexuality itself is not a compromise - it's a distinct sexuality. But, I didn't want to tell four bisexual stories so it even varied in DA2. Isabela, for instance, is very open about her sexuality. She talks about romancing either sex. Then you go all the way to Merrill, who doesn't mention it at all, and the idea was to leave room for ambiguity, but where we ultimately ended up on is that ambiguity wasn't necessarily helpful. I know some people like it, some people really hated it, some people diluted their characters and that led to...that sort of ran down a road of where people called player-sexuality, which isn't a term I really like. Because it implies the player's perception of their sexuality dictates their sexuality.. dictates the reality of their sexuality. So, that if you're a man romancing Merrill, because she never talks about her sexuality, that lets to pretend that she's straight if you like? But you seeing her as straight does not make her straight. She is bisexual, even if you're not exposed to that. That's the same as a bisexual person - a bisexual woman could be in a current romance in a man. That doesn't make her straight - that makes her bisexual. Us changing that wasn't that we didn't want to deal with that - it's that... okay, getting away from that ambiguity with that - okay, we like to have set sexualities so we can tell different stories. We can have actual representation. We can tell stories so that they are bisexual stories adjacent to gay stories and straight stories, as well. It's about having all types of people and not needing the ambiguity means we can include having that part of their character....
*hiss*
Personally I think everyone is bi. They are just not admitting it to themselves.
You are kidding, right?
I'm grateful he said this, and feels so strongly about it. I really dislike the concept of "player-sexual". It seems to me to be an indulgence of personal vanity at the expense of marvelously crafted character.
What is so marvelous in the craftsmanship of Dorian? Just another father issues ridden traitor who has abandoned his centuries old lineage to follow his savage lust and desire for whimsy things like 'love'. I would expect far more from an Altus and writing in general. The same goes for other characters.
toggable sexual norm on/off would not hinder them in any special way.
This thread is seriously still open? 
wow .. sex sells.....29 pages and the reply won't stop 
This thread is seriously still open?
Moderation seems to slow down at the start of the weekends
This thread needs a serious case of
This thread is seriously still open?
Yes, it is a wonder considering that agenda adorers came in and started to derail it in any way possible to just get it closed. Dozens of obscene, abominable gifs and pictures and constant asking 'is it still open' followed with more poison towards the OP's idea. i'f you are not with us then you must be a 'troll'!'
I'm grateful he said this, and feels so strongly about it. I really dislike the concept of "player-sexual". It seems to me to be an indulgence of personal vanity at the expense of marvelously crafted character.
That is why I hate the whole playersexual thing as well. I dislike the idea that characters are just waiting for the protagonist to come along before they ever feel attraction. Especially in the types of game Bioware make where there are multiple romanceable characters. It would be really jarring for all characters being attracted to men if you play as a guy, or women if you roll a female character, and as you say, feel like your ego is being stroked.
savage lust
You have to stop making this sound so appealing.
Or y'know, just stop in general.
That is why I hate the whole playersexual thing as well. I dislike the idea that characters are just waiting for the protagonist to come along before they ever feel attraction. Especially in the types of game Bioware make where there are multiple romanceable characters. It would be really jarring for all characters being attracted to men if you play as a guy, or women if you roll a female character, and as you say, feel like your ego is being stroked.
Yeah, because heaven forbid there are people who can't feel attraction until they meet someone and form a strong bond with. 
I can see why you would think beauty is culturally defined, but I'm more inclined to believe that that's a picture that was painted by the media and has no real basis whatsoever.
The fact is we humans see beauty in everything, in the same way that we see art in everything. There isn't an established formula for beauty. Saying that a woman is 'unattractive' culturally implies there is a set standard behind the concept of attractiveness. If you don't think that Josephine is 'attractive', that's your own personal perception of her and it's not something anyone is in a position to argue against. But going so far as to expand that point of view to a whole culture is not really conducive to the argument, simply because beauty isn't a thing that's written in stone, no matter how much the media leads us to believe that it is.
actually you do it quite simple, make a poll and see results. A lot of research was done on it so it's pretty clear what attractive woman means (and looks like) to different cultures. You're comparing subjective point of view with objective one (which means that even if a man/woman is unattractive by those standards, some -altho minority - may still find her/him attractive).
You have to stop making this sound so appealing.
Or y'know, just stop in general.
I do not find it appealing but I imagine that curs follow it during mating season. Personally I aspire to something more than twitching urges of an animal.
Sounds like a tumblr post, it has even catchphrase.
Yes, it is a wonder considering that agenda adorers came in and started to derail it in any way possible to just get it closed. Dozens of obscene, abominable gifs and pictures and constant asking 'is it still open' followed with more poison towards the OP's idea. i'f you are not with us then you must be a 'troll'!'
"agenda adorers" you really are funny
I'm grateful he said this, and feels so strongly about it. I really dislike the concept of "player-sexual". It seems to me to be an indulgence of personal vanity at the expense of marvelously crafted character.
i don't necessarily agree with this, or with David's view. I don't think there is anything wrong with the idea of having player-sexual characters nor do I think that they then have to be written as bisexual. I think you are making the assumption that an NPC's sexuality has a big impact on their personality and I'm not at all convinced that that is true in Thedas. I do agree that making an NPC player-sexual means you have to have (at least) two versions of the character or avoid ever mentioning their past relationships but there are certainly characters where I think this could be achieved (Dorian is obviously not one of these).
Having said this, I have absolutely no complaints with how Bioware approaches it, nor would I want them to change the way they write characters, nor do I think a sexuality toggle is a good idea!
Thank you. I enjoy offering truth in the light form.
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