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[TevinterSupremacist]

In the end, this all comes down to whether you consider having npcs whose character development is also -among other things, of course- based on their sexuality or having every romance option available to each of your pcs as more important.

[Grieving Natashina]

In the end, this all comes down to whether you consider having npcs whose character development is also -among other things, of course- based on their sexuality or having every romance option available to each of your pcs as more important.

I know we don't agree often, but call this an honorary like until I get some back.  That was very well said.  

[eyezonlyii]

Why did I agree to come here?

[DragonAddict]

And again, you're the only one saying that no one is allowed to disagree with you.

 

Answer me this, why is no one allowed to disagree with you? Why is no one else allowed to share their opinions?

 

If the majority of posters here disagree with me, I am flamed and called a troll.....

[TevinterSupremacist]

I know we don't agree often, but call this an honorary like until I get some back.  That was very well said.  

Oh come on...do we disagree that often? ....to be honest, I think we used to disagree on the swtor forums too, long ago when I was still subbed to that...thing...I mean, I could be mistaken, but I think I remember your username and since that was a bioware game too...I obviously had a different one there though

[DragonAddict]

I say after reading all the posts here, wipe out the romances all together.

 

Took much political correctness, among other things.

 

Just focus on Dragon Age, Blight, Dark Spawn, Wardens, Brood Mother, The Architect, Teventer, Quinari, Solas from Flemeth, etc.

 

The romance is too much a hot topic, political and just not worth it anymore.

[Abyss108]

Let's not have a "remove the gay" button. 

 

You can already romance whoever you want, just roll a different character.

 

Saying its about "choice" is an awful argument. By that logic, you should be able "choose" to make Sera love elves, or make Cassandra hate romance books, or make Vivienne anti-circle to meet your preference. The entire point of games like this is the characters, you can't just start stripping away their identity because it doesn't meet your approval. You don't have characters anymore if you do that.

[daveliam]

If the majority of posters here disagree with me, I am flamed and called a troll.....

 

No, you are flamed and called a troll because when the majority of the posters disagreed with you, you started whining about how it's "too PC" and "what happened to freedom of speech" and "I guess this isn't a democracy anymore" and blah, blah, blah.  Before you pulled that troll behavior, we were mostly treating you like a regular poster.  Just go back to page 1 and double check.  You'll see. 

[Captain Wiseass]

I don't think you're allowed to take the playground's ball and go home, dude.

[Grieving Natashina]

Oh come on...do we disagree that often? ....to be honest, I think we used to disagree on the swtor forums too, long ago when I was still subbed to that...thing...I mean, I could be mistaken, but I think I remember your username and since that was a bioware game too...I obviously had a different one there though

Wow.  I was wondering how long that would take.  I changed my BSN name to Natashina last year, so I knew this was gonna come up.  

 

 Yeah, the same natashina from the SWTOR forums is the same one you're talking to now.  Purple text, ruffled a lot of feathers back then.   Zero regrets too, would do it all over again.     I meant what I said then.  Once the answer came, I walked away and no longer pushed the subject.  

 

Absolutely you and I disagree a lot.  However, you've never been a troll or a jerk to me.   The few times we do butt heads, we do in a way to try to understand the other's point.  We might not agree on the point, but we walk away with respect.  'Bout all you can ask.  We also remember that no matter how much we like DA, it's just a video game series at the end of the day. 

[DragonAddict]

Never said to have a remove a gay bottom, toggle on and off switch, etc. You guys all said that to flame it up.

 

I only said play as a straight character, gay character or random mix (3 choices) but we all should have the right and option to chose which of these settings we want.

 

That's all it was for me but that's not acceptable either.

[XMissWooX]

In the end, this all comes down to whether you consider having npcs whose character development is also -among other things, of course- based on their sexuality or having every romance option available to each of your pcs as more important.

I think this is the crux of the issue, and the thing that divides opinion on this particular topic.

Personally, I see the merits of both sides. I don't consider a character having a fluid sexuality which can change from one playthrough to the next to be detrimental to their integrity as a character. Conversely, I don't consider a character having a fixed sexuality which is consistent between playthroughs to be detrimental to their integrity as a character.

[Perpetual Nirvana]

I say after reading all the posts here, wipe out the romances all together.

 

Took much political correctness, among other things.

 

Just focus on Dragon Age, Blight, Dark Spawn, Wardens, Brood Mother, The Architect, Teventer, Quinari, Solas from Flemeth, etc.

 

The romance is too much a hot topic, political and just not worth it anymore.

 

Yeah, because you made a thread where you said "Let's have the option to make a world where homosexuals don't exist!" What did you think was gonna happen?

 

You lit a fire, threw gasoline on it, then are surprised when rages out of control?

[Hellion Rex]

When you start up DAI, you have three options:

 

 

(01) Straight game play

 

(02) random mix

 

(03) gay game play

 

 

 

This way, if someone likes to only play as a straight character, the game's characters would be straight.

 

Or if someone is gay, they can play as a gay character and the games characters would be gay.

 

Or some would rather have a random mix and see what they'd get.

 

 

This would solve all the hoopla about sex sex sex. No more complaints about male and female straight gamers saying, I want to romance her or him but they're gay.

 

Or gay players who want to romance a certain female or male and they can't becasue they're straight.

 

 

Would this not work?

 

 

And we instead can focus on fixing the many bugs in DAI. Like CTD's......sluggish frame rates, etc.

.......where to begin.....

[Perpetual Nirvana]

Never said to have a remove a gay bottom, toggle on and off switch, etc. You guys all said that to flame it up.

 

I only said play as a straight character, gay character or random mix (3 choices) but we all should have the right and option to chose which of these settings we want.

 

That's all it was for me but that's not acceptable either.

 

You have that option! Don't want a gay Inquisitor? Don't romance someone of the same sex!

[Brevnau]

Yeah, because you made a thread where you said "Let's have the option to make a world where homosexuals don't exist!" What did you think was gonna happen?

 

You lit a fire, threw gasoline on it, then are surprised when rages out of control?

 

You need to look at the plus side. Imagine being able to pick your sexual orientation as "gay", then all of a sudden your Dragon Age experiences caters to your sexual preference PERFECTLY.  Wouldn't you like that?  Imagine 20% of the in game population being gay for example. Imagine having npc's that understand all the hardships you've gone through, what it's like to be gay, etc. Imagine a men only brothel, wouldn't you like that?

 

You must understand that people buy these games and they come home and want to escape into a fantasy world. 

 

Keyword: Fantasy

 

Do you want someone elses fantasy forced on to you or do you want your own?

[Grieving Natashina]

.......where to begin.....

The wine.  Start with the wine, then go from there.

[TevinterSupremacist]

Yeah, because you made a thread where you said "Let's have the option to make a world where homosexuals don't exist!" What did you think was gonna happen?

 

You lit a fire, threw gasoline on it, then are surprised when rages out of control?

I don't think OP believes having an option to erase homosexuality from romanceable companions is something questionable, if you also add an option to erase heterosexuality.

[DragonAddict]

Yeah, because you made a thread where you said "Let's have the option to make a world where homosexuals don't exist!" What did you think was gonna happen?

 

You lit a fire, threw gasoline on it, then are surprised when rages out of control?

 

No, you said that. Yet another flamer to blow this way out of proportion.

 

 

I said have three choices.

 

Play as a straight character with those relationships and romances

 

Play as a gay character with those relationships and romances

 

Or have a random mix

 

 

No where does this exclude gay, straight permanently out for anyone. It's how we want to play DAI based on our choice. And how we want to play DAI is no ones business but our own.

[AresKeith]

Never said to have a remove a gay bottom, toggle on and off switch, etc. You guys all said that to flame it up.

 

I only said play as a straight character, gay character or random mix (3 choices) but we all should have the right and option to chose which of these settings we want.

 

That's all it was for me but that's not acceptable either.

 

Or could... you know roleplay 

 

Like if you want to play a straight character, romance the characters that are available to that gender 

[Hellion Rex]

The wine.  Start with the wine, then go from there.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I don't think OP believes having an option to erase homosexuality from romanceable companions is something questionable, if you also add an option to erase heterosexuality.

I suppose that is more reasonable of him than most people who suggest a gay toggle, however I value actual queer characters over getting to bang every guy in the game. Yeah, romancing Cullen as a guy would be nice, but it's not worth de-gaying Dorian and Sera.

[Perpetual Nirvana]

No, you said that. Yet another flamer to blow this way out of proportion.

 

 

I said have three choices.

 

Play as a straight character with those relationships and romances

 

Play as a gay character with those relationships and romances

 

Or have a random mix

 

 

No where does this exclude gay, straight permanently out for anyone. It's how we want to play DAI based on our choice. And how we want to play DAI is no ones business but our own.

 

Really?

 

This way, if someone likes to only play as a straight character, the game's characters would be straight.

 

Your exact words from the first post. You can see where the confusion comes from.

[Grieving Natashina]

Or could... you know roleplay 

 

Like if you want to play a straight character, romance the characters that are available to that gender 

Some folks think it just rains the money it would take do things like this.  

 

Hell, forget any sort of arguments about story or the like.   Who is going to pay for this?   Who's gonna pay the artist team to get all of the animation scenes looking right and not awkward for the LIs?  The tons of extra dialogue?  The tons of story changes, additions and subtractions it would take to accomplish those three modes of gameplay he's proposing?  The very deep levels of coding it would take to make sure nothing breaks?

 

That is not cheap.  So, I'd like to hear how the OP intends to pay for his "solution."  Even EA's resources aren't infinite.

[HuldraDancer]

Having to program that kind of thing alone would be a huge pain in the ass I imagine and most likely have all kinds of issues that would render it pointless or way to broken to be useful in the first place. Aren't toggles suppose to be really hard to put in a game after all? I mean at least thats what I keep reading. So ignoring any personal feelings on the matter I think it would be too much of a pain to implement that it would ever even become an option in the first place anyway.