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I said have three choices.

 

 

Play as a straight character with those relationships and romances

 

Play as a gay character with those relationships and romances

 

Or have a random mix

 

 

No where does this exclude gay, straight permanently out for anyone. It's how we want to play DAI based on our choice. And how we want to play DAI is no ones business but our own.

 

 

 

But that's not good enough either and many here flamed it up and are getting way out of hand.


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If the majority of posters here disagree with me, I am flamed and called a troll.....

 

I'm bored, so I'll go ahead and post in here one last time:

 

1. You waited until after someone called you a troll to go back several pages to my posts and quote them. As has been mentioned, you pushed and pushed the whole victim thing until someone called you on it. That's basically like calling someone names for being mean to you over and over again until they finally snap and call you a name, at which point you yell, "Look! I was right all along, you were mean to me!"

 

2. You never answered my questions. From the beginning you claimed that the simple act of people disagreeing with you was no different from flaming you and taking away your right to share your opinion. Despite being asked directly, you refused to explain why no one was allowed to disagree with you without it being a "violation of your free speech and democracy." If it was a democracy (which it's not) then everyone would vote and be done with it. Your idea would not fare well if the vote were held here and now, which speaks to your ability to defend your idea. No one else is obligated to tell you that you're right, and it isn't a violation of your free speech when people share their opinion. They're just as entitled to share their opinion as you are to share yours. That was why you refused to answer the direct question that I asked. Because doing so would expose your hypocrisy - that only your opinion is valid, and everyone else is a bully for not agreeing with you.

 

3. You want the option to remove all the gay characters from the game. BioWare isn't going to give it to you. We have nothing to do with that. The fact that people are telling you that they disagree with your idea is them sharing their own opinion, as you shared yours. They are not to blame for the fact that your idea won't be implemented. It won't be implemented because BioWare is never going to give you the option of removing all the gay characters. If you are so offended by that fact that you must claim to be a victim of the inability to do so, file a complaint with contact@bioware.com, and good luck with that.



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If someone wants to play a gay character with gay romances and interactions in their DAI game, good for them.

 

And you know what? Doesn't bother me at all like it does with the many flamers here.

 

And if I want to play a straight character with straght romances and interactions in my DAI game, good for me.

 

It shouldn't matter and its no ones business but our own.

 

But that's not even acceptable here and this is all theory.

 

It's one way or the highway here, nothing more.


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If something as minor as my thread on three options for the invidual gamer for DAI, which is their own business and no one elses, is causing such a stir.....no wonder Bioware isn't responding to many posts and threads. Too many flamers and one way thinking.



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I don't think OP believes having an option to erase homosexuality from romanceable companions is something questionable, if you also add an option to erase heterosexuality.

 

That's true. Still having a world exclusively of one sexuality or or another is still pretty bad. Reminds me Barney in The Simpsons.

 

"I'm just saying that when we die there's gonna be a planet for the French, a planet for the Chinese, and we'll all be a lot happier."



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If someone wants to play a gay character with gay romances and interactions in their DAI game, good for them.

 

And you know what? Doesn't bother me at all like it does with the many flamers here.

 

And if I want to play a straight character with straght romances and interactions in my DAI game, good for me.

 

It shouldn't matter and its no ones business but our own.

 

But that's not even acceptable here and this is all theory.

 

It's one way or the highway here, nothing more.

 

I enjoyed Mass Effect 1 & 2 a great deal. I didn't have to be exposed to any bizarre content that broke my immersion. I think your idea of choosing your sexual orientation is perfect, that way everyone gets what they want without anything be forced on anyone else.

 

Like I said Mass Effect 1 & 2 are exactly as you described but without the need to pick a sexual orientation.  Imagine if there was a sexual orientation option for ME1 & ME2? Then all the gay/lesbian people would be in paradise.



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It's one way or the highway here, nothing more.

 

If you are so offended by that fact that you must claim to be a victim of the inability to do so, file a complaint with contact@bioware.com, and good luck with that.



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You're correct.  It's BioWare's way or the highway.  They've been saying for several years now that they aren't going to add toggles different modes of gameplay based off of the sexualities of the characters in the game.   I've heard "game mode" requests several times, and I'm sure most of the staff at BioWare has heard it before as well.

 

If you cannot handle having homosexual characters in a M rated game to the point where you think you need a totally different mode of gameplay, exit's to your right.  

 

Unless you want to send a tweet directly to the writers.  Like David Gaider.  If you're as direct with him as you have been with us, Mr. Gaider will very likely answer you.  Oh and if he does, make sure you link his response.


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I wonder how many people would flip out if Bioware stopped putting romances in their game.


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Based on the responces here, Bioware would have to hire anti hackers!!!!



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If someone wants to play a gay character with gay romances and interactions in their DAI game, good for them. And you know what? Doesn't bother me at all like it does with the many flamers here. And if I want to play a straight character with straght romances and interactions in my DAI game, good for me. It shouldn't matter and its no ones business but our own.

 

 

On my coffee break and realize this is still a thing. Ignoring the furious waving of the victim card, IT IS SOMEWHAT MY/EVERYONE'S BUSINESS, and here's why.

1) I'm not oddly fixated on who my straight characters can (or cannot) e-bang

2) Because of that, I'd prefer Bioware not allocate coding/voiceover/animation resources to making an orientation toggle.

 

So, yes. All the resources you want to allocate so you can romance Sera on your dude (cause ... c'mon, that's really all this is about) are resources I'd rather see on story-driven DLC or bug fixes.



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If someone wants to play a gay character with gay romances and interactions in their DAI game, good for them.

 

And you know what? Doesn't bother me at all like it does with the many flamers here.

 

And if I want to play a straight character with straght romances and interactions in my DAI game, good for me.

 

It shouldn't matter and its no ones business but our own.

 

But that's not even acceptable here and this is all theory.

 

It's one way or the highway here, nothing more.

 

Only you are making it like that because people don't agree with your idea 


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LGBT people exist in the real world.

 

They also exist in the fictional world of Thedas.

 

So I suggest you...

 

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Or we could just play Dragon Age. :huh:


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If someone wants to play a gay character with gay romances and interactions in their DAI game, good for them.

 

And you know what? Doesn't bother me at all like it does with the many flamers here.

 

And if I want to play a straight character with straght romances and interactions in my DAI game, good for me.

 

It shouldn't matter and its no ones business but our own.

 

But that's not even acceptable here and this is all theory.

 

It's one way or the highway here, nothing more.

 

This is where you have it all mixed up...the characters and the story in Dragon Age is written, by writers, i.e. people with a creative vision of the kind of story they want to portray. The intellectual rights to their property did not transfer to you when you bought the game, check the disclaimer you agreed to when you installed the game and it will spell it out to you in clear writing. So how you play the game and what you can do in the game is entirely their business, just like J.K. Rowling can decide that if you are playing a Harry Potter game, you can't decide to make Ron Weasley gay, because he is the creation of her intellectual mind and her property.


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Right... I'll just back away slowly...

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I enjoyed Mass Effect 1 & 2 a great deal. I didn't have to be exposed to any bizarre content that broke my immersion. I think your idea of choosing your sexual orientation is perfect, that way everyone gets what they want without anything be forced on anyone else.

 

Like I said Mass Effect 1 & 2 are exactly as you described but without the need to pick a sexual orientation.  Imagine if there was a sexual orientation option for ME1 & ME2? Then all the gay/lesbian people would be in paradise.

 

 

This is all I was trying to say without all the attacking and flaming and being called a troll......



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Maybe out of all of this.....DA4 has a sexual preference option when creating a character?

 

That would be a great idea and DA4 characters and interactions would be based on your choice.

 

Perfect. :D


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I enjoyed Mass Effect 1 & 2 a great deal. I didn't have to be exposed to any bizarre content that broke my immersion. I think your idea of choosing your sexual orientation is perfect, that way everyone gets what they want without anything be forced on anyone else.

 

Like I said Mass Effect 1 & 2 are exactly as you described but without the need to pick a sexual orientation.  Imagine if there was a sexual orientation option for ME1 & ME2? Then all the gay/lesbian people would be in paradise.

 

Dragon Age is literally the same way 



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Maybe out of all of this.....DA4 has a sexual preference option when creating a character?

 

That would be a great idea and DA4 characters and interactions would be based on your choice.

 

Perfect. :D

 

I wouldn't hold my breath.



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Mr. Gaider has commented on the "toggle solution" before on his now deactivated Tumblr account, but someone has archived his response here. I copied his response below.

On the Toggle Solution
ON THE TOGGLE SOLUTION

​Everyone seems to be having issues either with seeing the mechanics behind romances,or by how available said romances are in Bioware games (by this I mean the way every romance character in DA2 is bisexual/available to either sex). Why don’t you give players a checkbox in the options menu- you don’t want to see the approval, turn it off? And the same goes for the romances. A checkbox at character creation that states your sexuality, and then excludes all others. Would that be hard to implement? — anonymous fan question
Ah, yes, the “toggle solution”.

I apologize if this comes across as dismissive. It’s just that I’ve seen this proposal quite often on forums like the BSN, to the point that it makes me wince just a little whenever it comes up. What it breaks down to, in essence, is that any design problem which causes disagreement among the fans can be solved by giving everyone what they want. Put a toggle in the options menu so the player can either have or not have whatever is in contention, and thus be pleased with the result.

There are a few issues with that, from a development perspective. The first is our need to treat every version of the game, whether that feature has been turned on or off, as a legitimate way to play and thus one we must test. The more fundamental a mechanic that is affected, the more things it can touch (even inadvertently) and thus the more testing it must receive. We need to be concerned not only about whether that variant works, but also how it affects the play experience.

It’s not about hand-holding or forcing the player to experience the game only a certain way, but about avoiding the player getting a radically different experience of which they may not be aware and for which we would be responsible anyhow, since we provided the option. You click that option in the settings, thinking it will do one thing, but end up getting something different. We have to consider that, and consider how well it meshes up with the experience we are otherwise crafting, and which we intend to support.

It is not, after all, like we can throw something into the options menu and absolve ourselves of responsibility for it. “Hey, you picked that option, man. It’s not our fault it changed your game experience.” We thus select our provided options carefully.

Beyond that, when it comes to content options like the so-called “gay toggle” …my question would be “why?” We don’t allow the player to de-select other sorts of content. A ‘violence’ toggle? A ‘mention of slavery’ toggle? A ‘sexual situations’ toggle? Why would we have a ‘gay’ toggle? Even if that was just to set the player’s personal preference, and we didn’t think that was incredibly on-the-nose to put up front, would de-selecting the ‘gay’ toggle mean a player should expect to encounter no gay characters? Ever? You don’t think there are those who would interpret it as exactly that?

There’s a degree to which, I think, players should be responsible for their own choices, and that doesn’t include filtering out anything which might potentially make them uncomfortable—not in a game which is labeled as big-M Mature. We’re always going to walk a line between accommodating player desires in-game, and having appropriate reactivity, but that doesn’t quite go so far as offering customizable story options out of the gate.

Some people might like that notion, but I suspect they like it in the purely theoretical and idealized sense. Practically speaking, it’s a rabbit hole that leads nowhere good.

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Finally someone said it. Segregation! That was the answer all along!

 

Why couldn't I see it before?!?

 

Gay people get their game.

 

Str8 people get their game.

 

Separate but equal! That way no one has to deal with icky people of different sexualities!

 

I can't think of a situation where segregation has occurred and something bad happened. 


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This is all I was trying to say without all the attacking and flaming and being called a troll......

 

 

You do realise Brevnau is being a straight up homophobe. You can't see what was wrong with his post? I'll give you a clue, it involves the words "bizarre content".

 

And you wonder why people are "flaming" you.



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It ain't broke, so it don't need fixing.

 

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