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[thats1evildude]

No thanks. Let the Warden remain unseen.

[Abyss108]

Let me rephrase, he'll be back, but he won't be the PC (which is what I meant to say)... too rich, too powerful. I was using my phone, didn't complete my thought. Though, saying DAO is boring, not sure we can see eye to eye on that. It was slower and more tactical, but the story was superior to DAI, and it didn't include anywhere near the mindless fetch questing.

DAO is the start of dragon age, and the vast majority of people here would say it was THE dragon age game. Anyway, disagree on the dialogue, in the end it's just dialogue, how people you already know meet you, and whether you're the hero or not. Totally doable in my mind.

Still, i hope to see my warden again. he deserves better then being regulated to text, and his mission sounds so much better then what we've been doing.

 

It really wasn't more tactical. I've played both games on the hardest difficultly, and neither required a lot of thought. There was also no reason for Origins to be so slow. You can pause the game at any time to issue whatever commands you want, so it's not like it needs to be slow to give you time to react.

 

The story isn't superior, I felt no connection to it after the Origin. The main problem is the game forces you to become a warden (which is fair, it makes sense why you don't have a choice at the time), but then expects you to care about things only a person who chose to became warden would care about. My character had no motivation for becoming the hero who would stop the blight. Whilst the inquisitor is fighting for her life, so she has much more reason to care. Companions are better in inquisition, in Origins I only liked Morrigan, Wynne and Shale. Everyone else I was pretty neutral on, which is the worst thing you can be towards a character. Everyone in Inquisition I either loved or hated. I won't write an essay on all the various plots, but I found the inquisition ones all much more interesting. Only things Origin had for me was a nice tactical camera, and better side quests. 

 

Dialogue is expensive. That's the reason we've had less choices for dialogue since they started voice acting the protagonist. It's also not "just dialogue", because you need to program the game to recognise all the different states your character could be in, with all the different gaps in knowledge that would apply and react accordingly. Eg, A character could have been your best friend in Origins, your worst enemy in DA2, and never met you in Inquisition. And what knowledge you have could be equally dependant on what you did in all three games. With a new protagonist, they might write 1 line of dialogue for this character to explain something, if you could play the old ones, they'd have to write a minimum of 6 lines based off what the characters relationship is to you, and whether you already know what they are explaining to you from a previous game. And that's the bare minimum. Also, I don't think you have any idea how much good voice acting actually costs...

 

The warden has already had their story completed, I've got no desire to see them in more than a cameo again. Thedas has it's own story, and the warden isn't important to it. I'd much rather have new protagonists for new games. The only reason I want the inquisitor back, is because her story isn't completed. There was too much foreshadowing from various characters about how she would be involved in what comes next to the world (mainly from Flemeth and Solas). It doesn't make sense narratively for her to disappear right now. Once her story is over, I'm happy to move onto a new character.

[S Seraff]

The Warden's story apparently ISN'T done yet, and that's interesting. The Calling, Kieran (if applicable), Weisshaupt and the warden civil war. (S)He is very relevant to plot events still in play. Same with Hawke, whose LI apparently is meeting him/her at Weisshaupt (if (s)he's not trapped or dead in the Fade). I grant that the War Table might be used to address these things, but I truly hope they Go For It and make a wiz-bang reunion at Weisshaupt dealing with some major plot event that our Inquisitor gets caught up in, too. How awesome that would be!

 

Bringing Hawke back in DAI was probably my favorite part of the game. It wasn't a perfect execution (the world state port got his class and personality wrong), but I cant say strongly enough how much I appreciated BW making the attempt. Head-canon is a mental trick that can be used to excuse imperfections as well as highlight them. I feel the same about the Warden.

 

Voice acting is an expense. I'd pay my share to cover it.

[Winged Silver]

I'd rather see the Inquisitor make a return again, if anyone does. As much as I loved playing my Wardens, I really felt like their main story was well contained in Origins-Awakening. I don't really care to see them again in the capacity as a PC. I'm not even certain I'd want to see them in a cameo. It worked well enough for Hawke, since one could select the main personality trait and get passable dialog from them, but with the Warden? Tch....it seems like it'd be a bit more difficult to pull it off (in a way that doesn't annoy everyone). 

 

The other thing about seeing the Inquisitor return - the war table. While it, in its current state, wasn't my favorite thing, I'd feel a tad put out if all the resources Bioware spent on it were tossed out the window because the next PC wasn't a character that would be in charge of a large force of people like that. Conversely, I'd also be a little meh if the next PC just happened to be another character that had forces at their beck and call. I get that it's totally possible, just....I'd rather see the Inquisitor continue to use that feature.

 

I also didn't really get any sense of completion for Inquisition. Like...hooray you punched Corypheus.....Are we going to do something about the other stuff that's going on?  If we did get a new PC...then I'd kind of feel like I needed a cameo from the Inquisitor to get a sense of resolution...which is not ideal, at least in my mind. I'd like all my PCs to have a sense of resolution to their stories, I suppose. Origins did that quite well. Inquisition...well I suppose we shall see.

[NathanPhoenix1]

I would love to play as my Warden again so I can catch up with Morrigan and my son. Just please Bioware dont do to him what you did to my Revan. Epic FacePalm

 

Well I say "you" though probably very few if any of the DA team worked on that terrible mmo/dlc

[S Seraff]

I'd rather see the Inquisitor make a return again, if anyone does. As much as I loved playing my Wardens, I really felt like their main story was well contained in Origins-Awakening. I don't really care to see them again in the capacity as a PC. I'm not even certain I'd want to see them in a cameo. It worked well enough for Hawke, since one could select the main personality trait and get passable dialog from them, but with the Warden? Tch....it seems like it'd be a bit more difficult to pull it off (in a way that doesn't annoy everyone). 

 

The other thing about seeing the Inquisitor return - the war table. While it, in its current state, wasn't my favorite thing, I'd feel a tad put out if all the resources Bioware spent on it were tossed out the window because the next PC wasn't a character that would be in charge of a large force of people like that. Conversely, I'd also be a little meh if the next PC just happened to be another character that had forces at their beck and call. I get that it's totally possible, just....I'd rather see the Inquisitor continue to use that feature.

 

I also didn't really get any sense of completion for Inquisition. Like...hooray you punched Corypheus.....Are we going to do something about the other stuff that's going on?  If we did get a new PC...then I'd kind of feel like I needed a cameo from the Inquisitor to get a sense of resolution...which is not ideal, at least in my mind. I'd like all my PCs to have a sense of resolution to their stories, I suppose. Origins did that quite well. Inquisition...well I suppose we shall see.

 

I think the PC should remain the Inquisitor, too.I agree, their story is far from finished. I'd just like a good cameo warden scene or 3 tie it all up - show us our main PC's together. If BW needs to collapse some variables to make the next game workable, so be it

[Winged Silver]

I think the PC should remain the Inquisitor, too.I agree, their story is far from finished. I'd just like a good cameo warden scene or 3 tie it all up - show us our main PC's together. If BW needs to collapse some variables to make the next game workable, so be it

 

I would have to suspend a lot of belief for any bad guy to stand in our PC's way if we saw them team up XD with Hawke in the Fade, I was just like "Go get it! You guys got this!" ^.^

[S Seraff]

haha!  How fun that would be to watch ;D

[Rhidor]

Man, people really need to let go. The part of me that actually really likes my Warden is finding itself in the company of the other part that kind of wishes that this character just canonically dies off-screen so the devs can salt the earth so nothing grows there. Single player DLC for this game should not feature any protagonist but the one featured in it, with content that can involve the companions. Featuring the Warden here might appease those who dislike this character (which is also questionable because many a fan would rage about how much the Warden was ruined), but frankly, nuts to them.

 

If they do that, killing my old character off-screen, the game to feature this would be the last DA game I buy. Killing off important characters off-screen is just the worst thing to do. Bugs me too much already that they killed Wynne in a book.

[DragoN7]

Let me rephrase, he'll be back, but he won't be the PC (which is what I meant to say)... too rich, too powerful. I was using my phone, didn't complete my thought. Though, saying DAO is boring, not sure we can see eye to eye on that. It was slower and more tactical, but the story was superior to DAI, and it didn't include anywhere near the mindless fetch questing.

DAO is the start of dragon age, and the vast majority of people here would say it was THE dragon age game. Anyway, disagree on the dialogue, in the end it's just dialogue, how people you already know meet you, and whether you're the hero or not. Totally doable in my mind.

Still, i hope to see my warden again. he deserves better then being regulated to text, and his mission sounds so much better then what we've been doing.

i agree, turning HoF into text pretty much caused me to break my controller everytime i got to that time. It was way worse than Oghren going berzerk without his Ale.

[Saphiron123]

The Warden's story apparently ISN'T done yet, and that's interesting. The Calling, Kieran (if applicable), Weisshaupt and the warden civil war. (S)He is very relevant to plot events still in play. Same with Hawke, whose LI apparently is meeting him/her at Weisshaupt (if (s)he's not trapped or dead in the Fade). I grant that the War Table might be used to address these things, but I truly hope they Go For It and make a wiz-bang reunion at Weisshaupt dealing with some major plot event that our Inquisitor gets caught up in, too. How awesome that would be!
 
Bringing Hawke back in DAI was probably my favorite part of the game. It wasn't a perfect execution (the world state port got his class and personality wrong), but I cant say strongly enough how much I appreciated BW making the attempt. Head-canon is a mental trick that can be used to excuse imperfections as well as highlight them. I feel the same about the Warden.
 
Voice acting is an expense. I'd pay my share to cover it.

This. If the warden's story is over, they shouldn't have hinted at an even more interesting journey going on off screen in a box of text. The warden is investigating the source of the calling and the darkspawn, that means while the inquisitor struggles with corypheus, the warden is taking on the rest of the magisters, going to orzimarr and maybe Kal shirok, and probably tavinter will fit in as well.

I WANT to play that game.

And the nay-Sayers fall into two camps, those who worry bioware can't do it right, and those who actually don't like the warden or origins, a very small minority.

So if bioware could bring the warden back right, there's an amazing story waiting to be told.

If they're going to hint at it, they have to give it to us.

[Saphiron123]

Just to be clear, I want to see the warden again, but not as part of dragon age inquisition, the inquisitor should have his moment... But da4? Veeeeery different story.

The warden is the hero of the dragon age series, none of the others have come close. Doing it without him, seeing the results of our decisions with new PCs who aren't' invested... It's hollow.

[Finw]

Just to be clear, I want to see the warden again, but not as part of dragon age inquisition, the inquisitor should have his moment... But da4? Veeeeery different story.

The warden is the hero of the dragon age series, none of the others have come close. Doing it without him, seeing the results of our decisions with new PCs who aren't' invested... It's hollow.

I agree. It's perfect for me the warden be the main char in DA4, but I think impossible. It's earies in DLC, play who likes him (her). Maybe a large DLC. EA and Bioware will make another game to gain game of the year and they need innovate, please the market. I think put the warden again won't please all because there are many people didn't play DAO or don't like. Perhaps after they produce a DAO remaker. =\

[Finw]

This. If the warden's story is over, they shouldn't have hinted at an even more interesting journey going on off screen in a box of text. The warden is investigating the source of the calling and the darkspawn, that means while the inquisitor struggles with corypheus, the warden is taking on the rest of the magisters, going to orzimarr and maybe Kal shirok, and probably tavinter will fit in as well.

I WANT to play that game.

And the nay-Sayers fall into two camps, those who worry bioware can't do it right, and those who actually don't like the warden or origins, a very small minority.

So if bioware could bring the warden back right, there's an amazing story waiting to be told.

If they're going to hint at it, they have to give it to us.

I WANT too XD, more after I read what you said!

[Finw]

The Morrigan's history is direct connected with Warden's history by the son, romance, friendship, protection.. It's sad see her without him =/

[Abyss108]

I honestly don't believe the people who don't want the warden to come back are a minority. Maybe on this forum, but not out of all the people who buy the games. Most people won't have played Origins, or will have a dead warden. I really don't understand why people like her so much, she was nothing special, and really wasn't important to Thedas as a whole.

 

I agree they shouldn't have hinted at things going on with the warden, as there's no way they can follow up on that. 

[Don Lionheart]

Above all, dragon age is about decisions, and my past decisions feel so much less relevant to new PCs... I don't want to meet morrigan for the first time every game, I want her to recognize my character.

 

I agree with this to some extant, because I like to see character reunite after time apart from one another.  On the other hand, just for the sake of the argument, it's REALLY fun to hear other characters talk about your former PC because you get to reminisce personally about them and hear how the character is viewed by others when he's not there.  For example, hearing Morrigan talk about my Warden was SO awesome because I know what my Warden is like, and it's nice to hear her describe him to the Inquisitor.

 

I would have to suspend a lot of belief for any bad guy to stand in our PC's way if we saw them team up XD with Hawke in the Fade, I was just like "Go get it! You guys got this!" ^.^

 

This quote made me think, what there is DLC released where the Inquisitor, along with the Warden, if he's alive (some other character if he's dead, I suppose), team up and enter the Fade to rescue Hawke/Loghain/Alisair/Stroud, whoever was left in the fade?  After all, the choice says "will likely die", as other threads have point out.  There could be something like Hawke (for my game) sends a message to the Inquisitor through the Fade, telling him he's alive and to rescue him.  Would be interesting, to say the least.

[Winged Silver]

This quote made me think, what there is DLC released where the Inquisitor, along with the Warden, if he's alive (some other character if he's dead, I suppose), team up and enter the Fade to rescue Hawke/Loghain/Alisair/Stroud, whoever was left in the fade?  After all, the choice says "will likely die", as other threads have point out.  There could be something like Hawke (for my game) sends a message to the Inquisitor through the Fade, telling him he's alive and to rescue him.  Would be interesting, to say the least.

 

Hmm.....I'd love the idea of seeing all our PCs (though I imagine that would be difficult to pull off) but at the same time, if they do that, one of the decisions of Inquisition (the one with the most gravity in my opinion) becomes potentially irrelevant. If they do go that route, I hope they add some element in that makes it really matter who you choose to leave behind. 

[KaiserShep]

If they do that, killing my old character off-screen, the game to feature this would be the last DA game I buy. Killing off important characters off-screen is just the worst thing to do. Bugs me too much already that they killed Wynne in a book.

 

I actually don't want the Warden to die off-screen, but I really don't want the Warden to be a playable character again either. That character already had a game and a half for us to play, so I'd prefer to move forward. Like Hawke, the farthest this character should go is NPC.

[Farangbaa]

I only want to see the Architect.

 

And well, generally more of the ancient magisters that walked the Fade. You know, interesting characters.

 

The Warden can have a cameo and then all you guys can go nuts about how your Warden would never do that.

[Finw]

There is a very good explanation as to why your Warden is not present in Inquisition. Just keep playing, you'll find out.

I saw the Hoskar's son with Morrigan. I could not stop laughing. I never have seen a dwarf's children, but that boy isn't what I expected...kkkkk....

[Finw]

I honestly don't believe the people who don't want the warden to come back are a minority. Maybe on this forum, but not out of all the people who buy the games. Most people won't have played Origins, or will have a dead warden. I really don't understand why people like her so much, she was nothing special, and really wasn't important to Thedas as a whole.

I agree they shouldn't have hinted at things going on with the warden, as there's no way they can follow up on that.

The personal history of DAO is amazing. For me the best RPG char history. Have you seen Noble Dwarf history? The Inquisitor doesn't have a personal problem. I miss that. Family revenge, Dead brother's forgives, clear the name... About the Morrigan. She is Dragon Age muse. She is a icon. Like Tiffane in FFXII. Morrigan has something special and makes the Dragon Age has more color! I can't understand why you don't like her.

[Abyss108]

The personal history of DAO is amazing. For me the best RPG char history. Have you seen Noble Dwarf history? The Inquisitor doesn't have a personal problem. I miss that. Family revenge, Dead brother's forgives, clear the name... About the Morrigan. She is Dragon Age muse. She is a icon. Like Tiffane in FFXII. Morrigan has something special and makes the Dragon Age has more color! I can't understand why you don't like her.

 

I think having a mark on your hand that is killing you is a pretty personal problem! 

 

I don't know why you think I don't like morrigan, as I never mentioned her in my post. I do like her, but not nearly as much as some other people. I think there are a lot of better written characters in the series.

[Finw]

I think having a mark on your hand that is killing you is a pretty personal problem!

I don't know why you think I don't like morrigan, as I never mentioned her in my post. I do like her, but not nearly as much as some other people. I think there are a lot of better written characters in the series.

My bad! I thought when you said "I really don't understand why people like her so much, she was nothing special, and really wasn't important to Thedas as a whole." was about the Morrigan.

About the Insiquitor's problem, the mark happen rergardless our race, origin, or class. I think this isn't a "personal problem". My Inquisitor is a woman, mage. She could have a similar problem like a mage in DAO. It enriches the story. "The blood mage who poisoned the Arl was your best friend"... "The dwarf who poisoned the king is your brother"... In the DAO, we were connected in the past...

[Shechinah]

If they do manage to make a HoF dlc that pleases a majority of the people requesting it then I will personally strive to have them annointed as Saints because that'll be worthy of ten miracles.

 

I understand wanting to see the Warden but I'm sorry, I cannot see it happening as it seems too difficult a task to make it satisfactory and the backlash too severe.