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[Bob Walker]

Which path is more interesting and/or rewarding storywise: Carver as a Warden or Carven as a Templar?

[robertmarilyn]

Warden

 

Carver is much happier as a warden, like he's found his "calling". 

 

And it makes Legacy even more interesting. 

[Luckyanna]

IMO, Templar!Carver is much more interesting due the conflict it sets up between him and Mage!Hawke.

[renfrees]

Both are rewarding I'd say, but the Templar is something he does of his own free will instead of being dragged on the threat of death.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I agree both are good. I've just started a new DA2 play through only on act 1 so far and I can't decide what to do this time (tried all options before including death). Might just go for templar so I don't have to take him to the deep roads, I'm trying to play on nightmare and I find 2H warriors hassle with friendly fire.

[springacres]

My current playthrough has him as a Warden, because my Hawke took him to the Deep Roads and couldn't bear the thought of losing her only living sibling.  Not when it would have been her fault.  She didn't have to take him to the Deep Roads, but she wanted him to be a part of something that would help raise their family's fortunes... and while she doesn't blame him for resenting her decision to turn him over to the Grey Wardens, at least he's still alive so they can make up eventually.

[Ashevajak]

Warden.  It makes him far much less of an arse.  He actually honestly seems happy as a Warden, and it gives him something of his own, something that doesn't have anything to do with his family or his older sibling.  Carver always wanted to be a hero - this allows him to do just that.

 

Though there is a hilarious conversation between him and Isabella if he becomes a Templar.  Yes, it is hilarious enough to justify that choice on its own.  Its even more hilarious if you have Sebastian in the party and Hawke is romancing Isabella.

[robertmarilyn]

Warden.  It makes him far much less of an arse.  He actually honestly seems happy as a Warden, and it gives him something of his own, something that doesn't have anything to do with his family or his older sibling.  Carver always wanted to be a hero - this allows him to do just that.

 

Though there is a hilarious conversation between him and Isabella if he becomes a Templar.  Yes, it is hilarious enough to justify that choice on its own.  Its even more hilarious if you have Sebastian in the party and Hawke is romancing Isabella.

 

On my one Carver/Templar run, I had him in the group with Isabella and Sebastian and we were heading into the Deep Roads when he started to recite the "Chant of Light". 

[Bob Walker]

If Carven is not taken to the Deep Roads, does the meeting with Stroud happens anyway or the appearance of Stroud is conditioned to bringing the sibling?

 

By the way, thanks for your precious opinions.

[Ashevajak]

On my one Carver/Templar run, I had him in the group with Isabella and Sebastian and we were heading into the Deep Roads when he started to recite the "Chant of Light". 

 

That's the one!  Totally worth it, right?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Though I am a much bigger fan of Templars than 'Wardens, being Templar in Kirkwall (and under Meredith, at that) is *****y.

 

 

He seems more fulfilled with the Wardens. Go with that.

[dongsaeng]

I prefer the Warden route cause he sounds happier there and he doesn't feel he is still under Hawke's shadow.

 

Though the Templar route was really sweet of him when he comes to my rescue, despite our rivalry.

[robertmarilyn]

If Carven is not taken to the Deep Roads, does the meeting with Stroud happens anyway or the appearance of Stroud is conditioned to bringing the sibling?

 

By the way, thanks for your precious opinions.

 

 

I believe you will still meet Stroud at the end of Act 2, if Alistair is King or dead. If Alistair is a warden, you will meet Alistair, at the end of Act 2, instead. 

[Lord Raijin]

I made Carver into a warden just once, and I wont ever do it again.

 

As a personal preference I prefer Carver to be a Templar over being a warden. It seems to make a lot more sense considering the fact that his mage father gave him his name to dedicate the Templar who help busted him out of Kirkwalls circle to be with his mundane lover.

[TEWR]

The trouble with Templar Carver is that it sets him up to be in a dangerous arena, under the auspices of a superior officer who promotes only those Templars who hold rigid and extreme views on the Mages (Alrik, Mettin, Karras, Cullen -- though Cullen's is still grounded in wanting to be a good person, his views were extreme) and anyone who holds an opinion that isn't in line with hers doesn't advance far (Thrask, Emeric, Carver). While it does set up an interesting sort of conflict with a Mage Hawke, it is, IMO, not followed up upon rather well in the game.

 

Moreover, it doesn't seem to me like a choice that would bring him much fulfillment, as it's him basically not moving forward with his own life in the way he wants but going for a choice that brings him back to the past (that of his namesake). Contrast to him being a Warden, a choice that was equal parts his own and his sibling's. He placed himself in danger by arguing vehemently that he should go on the expedition. And there, he's able to be a part of something greater.

 

Plus you get Warden Carver back far sooner then Templar Carver.

 

I still wish though that we could have Bethany and Carver survive. I'd send her to the Circle and him to the Wardens, but it would've also been great to have them both be in the Circle (him as a Templar obviously) for the conflict.

[renfrees]

And being a Warden is a party, alright. He'll die at 45 yo, while having nightmares. And saying that becoming a Warden was his choice because he insisted on going, is like saying getting assaulted is my choice because I chose to go out at nightfall.

[TEWR]

And being a Warden is a party, alright. He'll die at 45 yo, while having nightmares. And saying that becoming a Warden was his choice because he insisted on going, is like saying getting assaulted is my choice because I chose to go out at nightfall.

I never said being a Warden was easy, thank you very much. But being a Templar isn't gonna be easy either, what with lyrium withdrawal such that it can lead to hallucinations, paranoia, weepiness, confusion, etc.

 

I'd say it's the harder choice between the two. At least being a Warden is straightforward and you have a good sense of what will happen to you, and you can do something to prevent yourself from ever getting that far. As a Templar, you're lucky if all you do is stand outside a Chantry as the lyrium slowly takes away everything you are (the dude in Denerim) and at worst, you become a murderous lunatic because you can't tell reality from dream.

 

And no, not really. It's.... not like that at all. He knew there would be danger, he knew there would be Darkspawn. The Darkspawn, in their mindless and bestial state, can't be reasoned with. 

 

He knew he could contract the Blight disease. He knew the risks, and he decided the risks weren't enough to get in the way of him going on the expedition. He put himself in harm's way by going on a trek where there was a possibility of death or being tainted, no different then Hawke or Varric doing the same thing.

 

That's why I said it was equal parts his choice and his sibling's. Because it was. Even his codex says as much.

 

Going out at nightfall doesn't mean you're looking to be attacked, and that's a poor comparison to bring up. If you're attacked, it's no one's fault but the attacker's because they chose to be a total *******.

[Dutchess]

And no, not really. It's.... not like that at all. He knew there would be danger, he knew there would be Darkspawn. The Darkspawn, in their mindless and bestial state, can't be reasoned with. 

 

He knew he could contract the Blight disease. He knew the risks, and he decided the risks weren't enough to get in the way of him going on the expedition. He put himself in harm's way by going on a trek where there was a possibility of death or being tainted, no different then Hawke or Varric doing the same thing.

 

He's still part kid at the time he makes that choice. A proud, angry teenager who wants to prove himself. At that age the ability to oversee consequences is still under development in the brain, so teens tend to have the idea it will all be alright. And that's what Carver thought too, what he told Leandra. "I will be fine." 

 

Carver didn't expect to die or become Tainted. He's fought darkspawn before, and he managed. He expected to walk out of those Deep Roads with Hawke. I'm not saying he had no idea what he was getting into, because it's not that extreme, but although he of course knew it was dangerous, he still believed he would be alright.

 

Back on topic: I like both routes for Carver, but personally think the Templar one is more interesting with the rivalry with Hawke.

[TEWR]

It's fair to say he's still operating with the brain of a developing person, since he's at best 19 at this time (given that Leandra says that 18 years of her life went into raising them). Not that I ever disagreed with such a thing. But hell, there are adults who still operate with the brain that hasn't grasped such things.

 

Ultimately though he does bear responsibility for the choice.

 

 

 

Carver didn't expect to die or become Tainted.

 

I didn't say he expected it would happen, only that it could happen. You can expect something as a possibility and still believe that it won't happen to you.