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[Master Warder Z_]

I'd prefer Ambassadoria Dwarf, to be honest.

Like the DAO prequel

[Nefla]

As one of the 'mundane mediocres', I'm very happy with the human noble choices offered to me. I'm dead tired of the overused, omnipresent 'lowly nobody raises to be the hero'. I find it much more of a novelty to start from the position of a royal or noble, tyvm.

I would find that much more compelling if we were actually portrayed as rich, very powerful, elitist, pampered, important, not knowing anything about how the lower class live, etc...person rather than just "normal" and "accepted." The Dwarven noble origin was hilarious because of how over the top pompous you could be and how people groveled at your feet. If being a human noble in the next game let you be like that the whole time it might actually be fun for me to play (after the other races of course ).

[TEWR]

Like the DAO prequel

 

The what now?

[Master Warder Z_]

The what now?

Oh it's this little quest were Prince Bhelen hires you to place this shield in the crypt you go to in the dwarf noble origin.

[Dragonzzilla]

People like their boring human nobles for some reason and Bioware has to market to the mainstream. As long as we can play something else, the default can continue to be whitebread dull guy as far as I'm concerned.

:|

 

But I'm one of those people...

[Red of Rivia]

Neither I, only played with human in II.

[Korva]

Because personal taste differs, and there are more far more human-centric fantasy stories than there are elven stories?

 

Sure. It's just that I see a lot more outright anti-human sentiment that disregards that everything is just personal taste. Not "I think they're boring" which is perfectly fine but "they are boring and everyone who plays them is too". It gets a little old. Preferring one fictional culture over another doesn't make anyone more or less sophisticated.

[HiroVoid]

:|

 

But I'm one of those people...

You won't last long on the BSN if you let passive aggressiveness get under your skin too much.

[Dragonzzilla]

You won't last long on the BSN if you let passive aggressiveness get under your skin too much.

I've survived plenty long enough.
 
Time to rectify that.
 
I love playing default good-guy human male, BSN.

[TEWR]

Oh it's this little quest were Prince Bhelen hires you to place this shield in the crypt you go to in the dwarf noble origin.

 

Oh that. I know what you're talking about.

 

Meh, I always found that to be rather shoddy, to be honest, and partially why I find Bhelen to be a hack who's given far too much assistance by the writers (though this particular thing was done by... Gamefront I believe? Some gaming site anyway). Bhelen just happens to find the Shield of Aeducan somewhere in the Deep Roads when it was purported to be in the tomb of Aeducan itself by Endrin's father? 

[Korva]

Meh, I always found that to be rather shoddy, to be honest, and partially why I find Bhelen to be a hack who's given far too much assistance by the writers

 

Bhelen, like many political-minded/schemer type of characters, definitely gets more than one hand up from the writers simply because the protagonist is kept forcefully ignorant and incompetent to ensure the NPC in question will succeed. Sure, not ever dwarven noble is a born schemer, but since being a ruthless backstabbing power-player is basically the whole theme of the noble caste, I was a bit disappointed that the middle Aeducan kid didn't really get a chance to display some of that skill.

[TEWR]

The DN is given the Idiot ball like you wouldn't believe. Bhelen wasn't able to consort with Orzammar's finest until maybe about a few months prior to the origin's opening, so he wouldn't have been able to meet with nobility without word getting around. Moreover, we have our own information network and loyal aides, as Gorim demonstrates when he sends out word for Bruntin to be dealt with, so why we're somehow unable to pick up on Bhelen's trail is beyond me (because he would've left a trail, especially if he's the one meeting with all these nobles).

 

And I'm supposed to believe all 40 of these houses on his side wouldn't have a desire to reveal Bhelen's machinations towards Endrin, or Trian, or the DN -- when doing so would curry favor for them? That they're all loyal to him? I mean, some are probably being blackmailed or bribed, but there would be some that would think "I can get something out of this if I reveal his treachery." 

 

Or hell, how about Bhelen's suspicious dialogue? "You're my elder blah blah", as if it's not pointedly obvious that his dialogue could also apply to Trian or that he'd benefit from two brothers going at it? I managed to piece this together on my first playthrough, in fact.

 

Moreover, the DN is forced to have everything spelled out for them. Case in point, the Dace expedition. We have to be practically handheld into figuring out Lord Dace is trying to play us, rather then, oh I dunno, having options that say we know he's up to something because of things we heard from the grapevine.

 

I could go on, especially in regards to how Bhelen's a hack in A Paragon of Her Kind or events afterwards or even how Bioware flipped the Branka + ruler epilogues around to make Bhelen seem even better, but I won't. Not unless I'm asked, that is. Suffice to say, I reject it all in favor of my DN being king, as is evident from my signature.

 

And hell, I think what gets me the most is that with other characters, like Loghain, the narrative is clear that he sucks at politics. And that's true, he really does. But then you look at Bhelen who also sucks at politics (but is better then Harrowmont in that he's ruthless, albeit a ruthless idiot) and the narrative tries so damn hard to tell you that he's one of the best politicians out there.

 

Then you examine it and it's just....

 

*headdesk*

[Korva]

Yep. I thought I would love that origin despite the fact that I normally hate politics, but it fell on its face when Bhelen bulldozed all over me (and over everyone else like they were drooling toddlers, too). How did the middle Aeducan kid end up as the king's favourite, poised to be named heir despite not being the firstborn, when s/he was every bit as much of braindead and clueless simpleton as her/his older brother? A story of two pretty much evenly-matched siblings ruthlessly vying for power would have been awesome and worthy of a game of its own, even if it ended in temporary or permanent defeat ... as long as it was a credible struggle in which my character wasn't crippled by writer's fiat.

[JadeDragon]

IDK about a elf only game for DA4 but I can see DAI giving a introduction to elves about to have a bigger plot in DA4 as villains(ancient elves at least). DA2 towards the ending set up the mage-templar war and it was resolved next game. DAI towards the end showed unrest in city elves introduced ancient elves and set up the next big bad and this may be resolved in the next game which will set up a new plot for the following and so forth. Origins set up all the different subplots in thedas during the dragon age, while the blight was the main focus broken circle quest introduced mage problems(DA2 expanded on it and DAI concluded it),introduce city elf problems and dalish elf problems(DA2 used merrill to keep this issue in the viewers eyes as this is the next big focus point and DAI expanded on it slightly but enough to set up DA4 to resolve it), show dwarf issues but its yet to be expanded on yet but going up north in DA4 can expanded there issues to be resolved in a following game. And DAO gave a vauge hint at qunari with sten but expanded a plot with them in DA2 while DAI bull was the companion to keep these issues somewhat in the viewers eyes as it will also come up more as we go up north.

 

Really I hope the next game elf origin is city elf and not dalish. people complain human noble is overused and has become boring but dalish elf is not that far behind, city elf was one game while dalish elf is two already and dalish elves are more or less more likely to be the same while city elves culture is better or worse depending on the country they come from.

[DreamSever]

I wouldn't mind the choice of being an ancient elf in the next game over dalish and city, would certainly be better and more unique

[Nightshade715]

Even though elves are my favorite race, I hope that BioWare will never restrict players to a single race protagonist again.