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[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

 

Hadn't seen this discussed before, so apologies if it has been!

[Fredward]

Cullen is just too... Cullen for me, so I can't say I particularly miss the option.

[TK514]

So what? Things change.

[Kantr]

A former employee tweeted about it awhile back after the files were discovered. They didnt get the time to cine it all, so just kept him as straight.

[AresKeith]

So what? Things change.

[PlasmaCheese]

Lol @Dorian's dad buying him back. xD

[Monica21]

Hadn't seen this discussed before, so apologies if it has been!

 

It has been. At length.

[Nimlowyn]

I think a dev, perhaps David Gaider, mentioned that bisexuality didn't feel right for the character, so it was scrapped. Things change all the time in development. Cullen is straight. 

[phaonica]

A former employee tweeted about it awhile back after the files were discovered. They didnt get the time to cine it all, so just kept him as straight.

 

 

I think a dev, perhaps David Gaider, mentioned that bisexuality didn't feel right for the character, so it was scrapped. Things change all the time in development. Cullen is straight. 

 

Is there a source for either of these? I'll start looking, because the two have very different implications.

[DirkJake]

Yes, Mr. Gaider talk about it in this interview at GaymerX.

 

LI: What is the reasoning behind Cullen being only romanceable by a female Inquisitor? Is there any reasoning?

 

DG: Um, that is sort of a larger question. That sort of leads to "Why did we change the system from DA2 to Inquisition?" in terms of DA2 had four characters that were bisexual. Why did we change that? Why was Cullen made straight is more of a question of "Why do we have straight characters? And straight characters?" My answer to that question is because that's where we eventually landed. Some characters have to be straight. Some characters have to be gay. Some characters have to be bisexual. Eventually, once we made that decision, that means there's not going to be these other things. There's a simple answer, which is yeah. That's what we decided. The more complicated question is why did we decide there must be straight characters. And that was more like - I said this every time we talked about the romance system for DA2, for instance. Every time I said that if we had the resources, if we had enough romances to go around, I would prefer to have set sexualities. And that making all of them bisexual is a compromise of sorts - not one I really like, because bisexuality itself is not a compromise - it's a distinct sexuality. But, I didn't want to tell four bisexual stories so it even varied in DA2. Isabela, for instance, is very open about her sexuality. She talks about romancing either sex. Then you go all the way to Merrill, who doesn't mention it at all, and the idea was to leave room for ambiguity, but where we ultimately ended up on is that ambiguity wasn't necessarily helpful. I know some people like it, some people really hated it, some people diluted their characters and that led to...that sort of ran down a road of where people called player-sexuality, which isn't a term I really like. Because it implies the player's perception of their sexuality dictates their sexuality.. dictates the reality of their sexuality. So, that if you're a man romancing Merrill, because she never talks about her sexuality, that lets to pretend that she's straight if you like? But you seeing her as straight does not make her straight. She is bisexual, even if you're not exposed to that. That's the same as a bisexual person - a bisexual woman could be in a current romance in a man. That doesn't make her straight - that makes her bisexual. Us changing that wasn't that we didn't want to deal with that - it's that... okay, getting away from that ambiguity with that - okay, we like to have set sexualities so we can tell different stories. We can have actual representation. We can tell stories so that they are bisexual stories adjacent to gay stories and straight stories, as well. It's about having all types of people and not needing the ambiguity means we can include having that part of their character.

 

[phaonica]

Yes, Mr. Gaider talk about it in this interview at GaymerX.

 

Thank you!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes, Mr. Gaider talk about it in this interview at GaymerX.

 

LI: What is the reasoning behind Cullen being only romanceable by a female Inquisitor? Is there any reasoning?

 

DG: Um, that is sort of a larger question. That sort of leads to "Why did we change the system from DA2 to Inquisition?" in terms of DA2 had four characters that were bisexual. Why did we change that? Why was Cullen made straight is more of a question of "Why do we have straight characters? And straight characters?" My answer to that question is because that's where we eventually landed. Some characters have to be straight. Some characters have to be gay. Some characters have to be bisexual. Eventually, once we made that decision, that means there's not going to be these other things. There's a simple answer, which is yeah. That's what we decided. The more complicated question is why did we decide there must be straight characters. And that was more like - I said this every time we talked about the romance system for DA2, for instance. Every time I said that if we had the resources, if we had enough romances to go around, I would prefer to have set sexualities. And that making all of them bisexual is a compromise of sorts - not one I really like, because bisexuality itself is not a compromise - it's a distinct sexuality. But, I didn't want to tell four bisexual stories so it even varied in DA2. Isabela, for instance, is very open about her sexuality. She talks about romancing either sex. Then you go all the way to Merrill, who doesn't mention it at all, and the idea was to leave room for ambiguity, but where we ultimately ended up on is that ambiguity wasn't necessarily helpful. I know some people like it, some people really hated it, some people diluted their characters and that led to...that sort of ran down a road of where people called player-sexuality, which isn't a term I really like. Because it implies the player's perception of their sexuality dictates their sexuality.. dictates the reality of their sexuality. So, that if you're a man romancing Merrill, because she never talks about her sexuality, that lets to pretend that she's straight if you like? But you seeing her as straight does not make her straight. She is bisexual, even if you're not exposed to that. That's the same as a bisexual person - a bisexual woman could be in a current romance in a man. That doesn't make her straight - that makes her bisexual. Us changing that wasn't that we didn't want to deal with that - it's that... okay, getting away from that ambiguity with that - okay, we like to have set sexualities so we can tell different stories. We can have actual representation. We can tell stories so that they are bisexual stories adjacent to gay stories and straight stories, as well. It's about having all types of people and not needing the ambiguity means we can include having that part of their character.

*hiss*

[nightscrawl]

Yes, Mr. Gaider talk about it in this interview at GaymerX.

 
Note that I don't really care about Cullen's sexuality one way or another. That said, I don't feel that the posted quote answers anything. We do know that one reason (the main reason?) we got a Cullen romance -- and a Solas romance -- in the first place is because they got the extra year of development time, which is really great. But since files were discovered that indicated the developer intention to, at one time, have him be bisexual, what caused that to change?
 
If it were say Blackwall, who is also straight, and who was (apparently, I assume) designed that way from the beginning, THEN his response at GaymerX would be applicable. They chose to make certain characters gay, straight, or bi, and that is fine. But that doesn't appear to be the case with Cullen specifically. So the question is why did it change?

 

I haven't been able to find the developer tweets referencing this issue, and I'll admit that I never looked very hard because I didn't want to wade through all of the gnashing of teeth regarding this just to find it. If someone has a link handy I'd like to see it.

 

Regardless of the reason, I think it was a HUGE mistake to leave the files in there in the first place.

[AresKeith]

 
Note that I don't really care about Cullen's sexuality one way or another. That said, I don't feel that the posted quote answers anything. We do know that one reason (the main reason?) we got a Cullen romance -- and a Solas romance -- in the first place is because they got the extra year of development time, which is really great. But since files were discovered that indicated the developer intention to, at one time, have him be bisexual, what caused that to change?
 
If it were say Blackwall, who is also straight, and who was (apparently, I assume) designed that way from the beginning, THEN his response at GaymerX would be applicable. They chose to make certain characters gay, straight, or bi, and that is fine. But that doesn't appear to be the case with Cullen specifically. So the question is why did it change?

 

I haven't been able to find the developer tweets referencing this issue, and I'll admit that I never looked very hard because I didn't want to wade through all of the gnashing of teeth regarding this just to find it. If someone has a link handy I'd like to see it.

 

Regardless of the reason, I think it was a HUGE mistake to leave the files in there in the first place.

 

Wouldn't be the first time Bioware left files like that in their games

[Farangbaa]

Obviously to shove homosexuality down your throat.



Hmm. Wait...

[AxholeRose]

I dont know how to explain it but I definitely got the vibe that could be either bi or gay when i first played this game, without reading anything about the characters ( i stayed away from the forums and game sites).  I played my canon male dalish, and the game kept teasing me by showing me the Flirt option whenever I spoke with Cullen.  I remember I wasn't sure who to seduce so I thought I'd try Cullen just for fun, and it would be the very first time I experienced a homosexual relationship in a video game.  I remember he acted a bit shy, and I decided to back off thinking he was probably too busy to indulge in romances.

 

I didn't go all the way so I never got to see what his rejection dialogue is like, but the flirting seemed like he could have been an option for male PCs.

[NRieh]

the flirting does not express anything but the sexuality of a person who is flirting. Femquizitor can flirt with Dorian all she likes, and both enjoy the process, perfectly knowing that it's not leading anywhere. Same for femquizitor +cassandra, it does not make Cass bi in any way.

[Phoe77]

It's interesting to me that the flirt options don't show up regardless of compatibility for all the characters.  I am forever saddened by my male Inquisitor's inability to awkwardly flirt with Blackwall.

[Cantina]

Not this again.

 

And I am VERY glad they went this route with Cullen. Him being bi, just does not fit his character. Also I am VERY happy too they gave each character their own sexual preference.

 

If either of things were not what they are in the game right now, I would not be playing it.

[BubbleDncr]

My guess on what happened:

 

They got an extra year of development time to the game, so they decided to add Cullen and Solas as bisexual romances. Then, during that year of production, they realized they didn't actually have the time to support that, so the decided to trim them down to either being straight or gay.

 

So why did they decide straight for both of them? My guess is because that felt more in line with what they wanted those characters to be, or possibly the other romances for straight female characters weren't being received as well in play-tests as those for gay males. 

[Ryriena]

My guess would be that Blackwall, and Bull wern't being well recived by the stright girls, in testing the game, although it can also be the fact he did not at all firlt with a male mage warden in DA:O.

[Melca36]

My guess on what happened:

 

They got an extra year of development time to the game, so they decided to add Cullen and Solas as bisexual romances. Then, during that year of production, they realized they didn't actually have the time to support that, so the decided to trim them down to either being straight or gay.

 

So why did they decide straight for both of them? My guess is because that felt more in line with what they wanted those characters to be, or possibly the other romances for straight female characters weren't being received as well in play-tests as those for gay males. 

 

 

If Cullen had flirted with make mages in Origins...He would have been made Bi in Inquisition. They decided not to and people just have to deal with it.

 

When all is said and done...the writers/developers have the right to create the characters the way they envision the same way people have the right to mod their games.

[noxpanda]

 
Note that I don't really care about Cullen's sexuality one way or another. That said, I don't feel that the posted quote answers anything. We do know that one reason (the main reason?) we got a Cullen romance -- and a Solas romance -- in the first place is because they got the extra year of development time, which is really great. But since files were discovered that indicated the developer intention to, at one time, have him be bisexual, what caused that to change?
 
If it were say Blackwall, who is also straight, and who was (apparently, I assume) designed that way from the beginning, THEN his response at GaymerX would be applicable. They chose to make certain characters gay, straight, or bi, and that is fine. But that doesn't appear to be the case with Cullen specifically. So the question is why did it change?

 

I haven't been able to find the developer tweets referencing this issue, and I'll admit that I never looked very hard because I didn't want to wade through all of the gnashing of teeth regarding this just to find it. If someone has a link handy I'd like to see it.

 

Regardless of the reason, I think it was a HUGE mistake to leave the files in there in the first place.

Er there was a tweet somewhere from gaider saying something along the lines of 'so he (cullen) has to justify being straight i suppose' in response to a tweet which was roughly along the lines of 'why isnt he bi?!'. Sorry for the haziness of that, been a while since ive seen the tweet and i have no clue how to search for specific tweets lol. Of course its ignored by those who demand cullen being bi would be 'restoring' him.

 

My guess is they tried it out too see if it worked, decided it didnt and for whatever reason left the sound files. I wish they had removed them, would be so much less drama!

[Melca36]

I dont know how to explain it but I definitely got the vibe that could be either bi or gay when i first played this game, without reading anything about the characters ( i stayed away from the forums and game sites).  I played my canon male dalish, and the game kept teasing me by showing me the Flirt option whenever I spoke with Cullen.  I remember I wasn't sure who to seduce so I thought I'd try Cullen just for fun, and it would be the very first time I experienced a homosexual relationship in a video game.  I remember he acted a bit shy, and I decided to back off thinking he was probably too busy to indulge in romances.

 

I didn't go all the way so I never got to see what his rejection dialogue is like, but the flirting seemed like he could have been an option for male PCs.

 

 

He seemed very uncomfortable to me when my male inquisitors flirted with him

[Melca36]

Er there was a tweet somewhere from gaider saying something along the lines of 'so he (cullen) has to justify being straight i suppose' in response to a tweet which was roughly along the lines of 'why isnt he bi?!'. Sorry for the haziness of that, been a while since ive seen the tweet and i have no clue how to search for specific tweets lol. Of course its ignored by those who demand cullen being bi would be 'restoring' him.

 

My guess is they tried it out too see if it worked, decided it didnt and for whatever reason left the sound files. I wish they had removed them, would be so much less drama!

 

 

You know it speaks alot about the state of fandom when Mr Gaider has to tweet about justifying character's sexualities.