Straight men aren't the problem, people who want there to be equal numbers of romances AND think there should be more male followers than female ones, rather than even numbers, are the problem.
I've never heard anyone ever say "gah, there too many chicks in this game!" At least not for a Bioware game. As near as I can tell, the only people who seem to think there should be a disproportionate amount of male companions are the developers themselves.
I think he probably meant to say "more female followers than male ones."
So you're saying in a video game with a ten year time jump people can't come to a different conclusion about their sexuality at the end than it was at the beginning?
What I am saying is, in any dragon age game to date I am unaware of anyone suddenly changing their sexuality from one game to the next (romance characters). Regardless of how many years have passed. Cullen was obviously straight in origins, why would he suddenly be bi now? And if he was why then would it only be him, why not Cassandra (we know she was straight) or anyone else.
Yes, but he also seemed rather uncomfortable when my female Inquisitor started flirting with him
Thats your interpretation. 
Ironically immature language in return for immature argument.
Again, since there are half as many female companions, its really not that surprising.
You can't both have half as many female companions and expect the same number of female romances.
I've never heard anyone ever say "gah, there too many chicks in this game!" At least not for a Bioware game. As near as I can tell, the only people who seem to think there should be a disproportionate amount of male companions are the developers themselves.
Getting annoyed at me for suggesting that 6 men and 3 women is undesirable is basically doing just that, and there was a massive thread about it pre-release, containing said annoyance.
It hasn't been done in DA, but it was done in ME. I think that it's a stretch to say that Cullen is obviously straight based on Origins considering you hardly get to know anything about him at all. There's nothing wrong with assuming that he's straight based on DAO, but it wouldn't be some kind of retconn if the writers had made him bisexual in Inquisition because his orientation was never explicitly stated.
That said, I'm fine with the fact that Cullen is straight. I also like having an array of characters with their own distinct preferences.
The hills are alive with the sound of strawmen.
Ah, a buzz term.
Even better, an ironic one, since you attempt to misapply some word you learned about in debating school or some such instead of actually responding to my argument.
Some info, petal: I had already talked about the ratio and how its annoying that people oppose objecting that while wanting equal romances. It was in the first post about the subject, so wasn't strawmanning.
In fact, I can't remember the last time I saw that word actually used correctly.
So you're saying in a video game with a ten year time jump people can't come to a different conclusion about their sexuality at the end than it was at the beginning?
Not really, no. Unlike people, these characters aren't sentient, sapient, or self-aware. Literally everything about them is decided for them by the developers.
What I am saying is, in any dragon age game to date I am unaware of anyone suddenly changing their sexuality from one game to the next (romance characters). Regardless of how many years have passed. Cullen was obviously straight in origins, why would he suddenly be bi now? And if he was why then would it only be him, why not Cassandra (we know she was straight) or anyone else.
Had Cullen shown interest in male mages in Origins, they would have made him Bi in Inquisition. Hes uncomfortable when the male inquisitors flirt with him and he hates the attention at the Ball.
If people want to use the mod fine....but the fact remains he will always be straight in the game and thats what alot of people have issues with.
And for alot of people this is not about representation. This is about spite and about not being able to romance who they wanted and thinking they know better than the writers.
Dorian is a wonderful character. I loved romancing him with a male. Everyone should have choices. And thats what we got in Inquisition but people are just never satisfied.
Not really, no. Unlike people, these characters aren't sentient, sapient, or self-aware. Literally everything about them is decided for them by the developers.
Why does that matter at all? Why could the developers then not decide that their character would develop in a way that alters their previous ideas about sexuality?
It hasn't been done in DA, but it was done in ME. I think that it's a stretch to say that Cullen is obviously straight based on Origins considering you hardly get to know anything about him at all. There's nothing wrong with assuming that he's straight based on DAO, but it wouldn't be some kind of retconn if the writers had made him bisexual in Inquisition because his orientation was never explicitly stated.
That said, I'm fine with the fact that Cullen is straight. I also like having an array of characters with their own distinct preferences.
I'd say it's safe to assume, considering he had a crush on a female but not on a male. If he were to be bi than he would have had a crush on either. Bioware doesn't discriminate between genders if a character is available to both in the first place.
Why does that matter at all? Why could the developers then not decide that their character would develop in a way that alters their previous ideas about sexuality?
They can do that. I don't like when they do, but they don't care what I like.
The poster I was replying to was saying that character could do that on their own when that is not possible.
I'd say it's safe to assume, considering he had a crush on a female but not on a male. If he were to be bi than he would have had a crush on either. Bioware don't discriminate between genders if a character is available to either in the first place.
What about Kaidan in Mass Effect then? He was a full romance options for female Shepards in the first game, but then because a romance option for Shepards of both sexes in the third game. He never says anything about being interested in a male Shepard and he even talks about a crush that he had on a girl without mentioning anything about having felt the same way about another man. It's a different series made by different people, but there is a precedent.
For the record though, I agree that it's safe to assume Cullen is straight based on Origins, but even safe assumptions can be wrong. If Cullen had been a bisexual romance options in Inquisition, it would have demonstrated that our assumption was wrong rather than being evidence of tampering with a character.
They can do that. I don't like when they do, but they don't care what I like.
The poster I was replying to was saying that character could do that on their own when that is not possible.
Fair enough. I assume that the poster you were referring to didn't mean that the characters suddenly became self aware, but how can I know for sure.
Ah, a buzz term.
Even better, an ironic one, since you attempt to misapply some word you learned about in debating school or some such instead of actually responding to my argument.
Some info, petal: I had already talked about the ratio and how its annoying that people oppose objecting that while wanting equal romances. It was in the first post about the subject, so wasn't strawmanning.
In fact, I can't remember the last time I saw that word actually used correctly.
...You people are having an argument on this? Again? 
What about Kaidan in Mass Effect then? He was a full romance options for female Shepards in the first game, but then because a romance option for Shepards of both sexes in the third game. He never says anything about being interested in a male Shepard and he even talks about a crush that he had on a girl without mentioning anything about having felt the same way about another man. It's a different series made by different people, but there is a precedent.
For the record though, I agree that it's safe to assume Cullen is straight based on Origins, but even safe assumptions can be wrong. If Cullen had been a bisexual romance options in Inquisition, it would have demonstrated that our assumption was wrong rather than being evidence of tampering with a character.
Fair enough. I assume that the poster you were referring to didn't mean that the characters suddenly became self aware, but how can I know for sure.
And it really didn't make sense. The only reason they did that was to please those wanting to romance him with a male character. It had nothing to do with his preference at all.
And it really didn't make sense. The only reason they did that was to please those wanting to romance him with a male character. It had nothing to do with his preference at all.
The Kaidan/mShep romance would have been so much better had they not recycled all the femShep stuff. Aside from the dinner date it was basically the same. At least Cortez/Shep felt more real and they had some cute and sexy banter between missions
And it really didn't make sense. The only reason they did that was to please those wanting to romance him with a male character. It had nothing to do with his preference at all.
I'd said it was to give them atleast 2 options because they didn't want to make Vega a romance imo
And it really didn't make sense. The only reason they did that was to please those wanting to romance him with a male character. It had nothing to do with his preference at all.
Uh, what? And from what info are you exactly bashing this claim?
Here's my thinking on the "Cullen was going to be bi" thing. Yes, it's clear that at one point, the developers were considering Cullen was going to be bisexual. But, at some point prior to development, they changed their minds. When the game was released, Cullen was canonically straight. Gaider has confirmed it.
So, in other words, that ship has sailed. He's straight. I don't want them to change his orientation now (which we've seen people advocating for on BSN). Instead, I just want them to give us an m/m option like him (not exactly but similar) in a future game. I'm a little disappointed he's not bisexual, but I'm more than happy with Dorian and Bull, so it's all good in my book.
That being said, had they decided to pull the trigger on him being bisexual, I wouldn't see an issue with it. People can argue that he was 'clearly' straight in DA: O, but that's just not the case. It's was likely he was straight in DA: O. But there wouldn't need to be a giant retcon for a guy who showed interested in females at one point to actually be bisexual.
So you're saying in a video game with a ten year time jump people can't come to a different conclusion about their sexuality at the end than it was at the beginning?
If they'd implemented some dialogue in DA:I where he says that something like that happened, I'd have been fine with it. But if they'd kept the romance entirely the same as it is in canon (including the multiple lines of dialogue where he says he wasn't interested in anyone at all during those ten years) except for his being interested in male and female PCs, then yeah, it would have been pretty jarring in Cullen's individual case.
There's a million reasonable ways to headcanon around Kaidan Alenko's real-world orientation having changed without his in-game orientation having necessarily changed. Story reasons in Cullen's individual case make it a lot harder IMO (unlikelihood of sexual/romantic self-discovery during DA2 if he's not thinking about sex/love at all, attraction to female and not male Warden revealed in part by mind-reading demons so it's not like he was just hiding his feelings, he doesn't know the Inquisitor any better than he knew the Warden when he first starts flirting back with her, etc).
And again, that is for reasons that have nothing to do with his being Lawful Good / religious / shy / etc. I've seen a few "it doesn't fit his personality" comments already... for the love of God, can we please let "Cullen's personality doesn't fit with him being bi" die? (And maybe stop making new threads about this topic while we're at it?)
What about Kaidan in Mass Effect then? He was a full romance options for female Shepards in the first game, but then because a romance option for Shepards of both sexes in the third game. He never says anything about being interested in a male Shepard and he even talks about a crush that he had on a girl without mentioning anything about having felt the same way about another man.
Just because he's bisexual doesn't mean that he needs to actively hit on guys or talk about them to you.
Here's my thinking on the "Cullen was going to be bi" thing. Yes, it's clear that at one point, the developers were considering Cullen was going to be bisexual. But, at some point prior to development, they changed their minds. When the game was released, Cullen was canonically straight. Gaider has confirmed it.
So, in other words, that ship has sailed. He's straight. I don't want them to change his orientation now (which we've seen people advocating for on BSN). Instead, I just want them to give us an m/m option like him (not exactly but similar) in a future game. I'm a little disappointed he's not bisexual, but I'm more than happy with Dorian and Bull, so it's all good in my book.
That being said, had they decided to pull the trigger on him being bisexual, I wouldn't see an issue with it. People can argue that he was 'clearly' straight in DA: O, but that's just not the case. It's was likely he was straight in DA: O. But there wouldn't need to be a giant retcon for a guy who showed interested in females at one point to actually be bisexual.
I had thought that someone, perhaps his writer (?), had actually said that it was only cut cause they didn't have time to do the animations.
Here's my thinking on the "Cullen was going to be bi" thing. Yes, it's clear that at one point, the developers were considering Cullen was going to be bisexual. But, at some point prior to development, they changed their minds. When the game was released, Cullen was canonically straight. Gaider has confirmed it.
So, in other words, that ship has sailed. He's straight. I don't want them to change his orientation now (which we've seen people advocating for on BSN). Instead, I just want them to give us an m/m option like him (not exactly but similar) in a future game. I'm a little disappointed he's not bisexual, but I'm more than happy with Dorian and Bull, so it's all good in my book.
That being said, had they decided to pull the trigger on him being bisexual, I wouldn't see an issue with it. People can argue that he was 'clearly' straight in DA: O, but that's just not the case. It's was likely he was straight in DA: O. But there wouldn't need to be a giant retcon for a guy who showed interested in females at one point to actually be bisexual.
I agree with everything in this post.
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