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Cullen was originally intended to be a bi romance option.


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I'm curious, how does being bi not suite his character? Cullen could be bi straight or gay and it wouldn't effect who he is as a person. 

 

Don't know...Perhaps it might offend some straight women who get their panties wet at the mere mention of his name and want to keep him to themselves, like a prized pet...


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Have you even played the other games-let alone paid attention to his character and personality!?!

 

Not to mention the developers/writer even said he was straight and being any other did not fit him. Thus I do not see why we are....

 

 

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And Kaidan Alenko was straight in Mass Effect 1, straight in Mass Effect 2 and bisexual in Mass Effect 3. 

 

Heck, there are people in real life who discover their bisexual nature rather late.

 

So the notion of it not fitting his character doesn't make much sense. 


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Gotta get this in before the lock...this is how I feel about threads like these:

 

 

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And Kaidan Alenko was straight in Mass Effect 1, straight in Mass Effect 2 and bisexual in Mass Effect 3. 

 

Heck, there are people in real life who discover their bisexual nature rather late.

 

So the notion of it not fitting his character doesn't make much sense. 

 

Kaidan said some pretty...unusual things, let's say, for a straight male. Such as telling a male Shepard that losing him 'felt like losing an arm.'



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And Kaidan Alenko was straight in Mass Effect 1, straight in Mass Effect 2 and bisexual in Mass Effect 3. 

 

Heck, there are people in real life who discover their bisexual nature rather late.

 

So the notion of it not fitting his character doesn't make much sense. 

 

 

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Kaidan said some pretty...unusual things, let's say, for a straight male. Such as telling a male Shepard that losing him 'felt like losing an arm.'

 

They were best bros ?

 

 

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Not An Argument. Google late blooming bisexuals. Or are you so offended by the fact that bisexuality can manifest itself late ? I mean, if you want another example :- Korra from The Legend of Korra. 

 

With characters like Korra and Kaidan, I fail to see why Cullen could not have been bisexual. 


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They were best bros ?

 

 
 

 

Not An Argument. Google late blooming bisexuals. Or are you so offended by the fact that bisexuality can manifest itself late ? I mean, if you want another example :- Korra from The Legend of Korra. 

 

With characters like Korra and Kaidan, I fail to see why Cullen could not have been bisexual. 

 

Didn't fit his character  



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Didn't fit his character  

 

Characters evolve. By that logic, both Korra and Kaidan should not have been bisexual since they started out straight and would not fit their characters. 



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With characters like Korra and Kaidan, I fail to see why Cullen could not have been bisexual. 

Because his creators decided against it ? They do have the final say in pretty much everything regarding him.

 

The unused lines are a weak argument since early in the creation process many lines are written and even voiced that get never used. This happens because it is a lot cheaper to simply record the lines even if no final decision is made on the topic than to call back the actor for such a small amount of not even plotcritical lines.


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Characters evolve. By that logic, both Korra and Kaidan should not have been bisexual since they started out straight and would not fit their characters. 

Korra?



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There is two dialogues in game files (that I know) where Cullen is in relationship with male Inquisitor. 1) Same as in the OP, Dorian says to Inquisitor that in order to romance him Inquisitor needs to broke up with Cullen first. 2) Late game romance dialogue between Cullen and male Inquisitor who are in relationship.

 

All characters don't have files for both genders cause they weren't intended to be bisexuals.

 

Cullen was intended bisexual in some part of production, but devs changed him to straight. There is speculation of different reasons why it was changed, one being lack of time and resources (former employees tweet?) and other that it didn't fit to his character (Gaider). Gaider has also confirmed that he's straight in DAI.

 

Arguments about Cullen being bisexual don't fit his personality are most likely coming from stereotypes what bisexual guys are like and what they aren't like. What happened with sexuality doesn't affect personality?  :rolleyes:  Not suprised though, people think tomboyish girls are lesbians all the time and manly guys can't be gays etc.

 

Cullen flirting with female Warden makes assumption that he's straight, but that isn't still confirmation of his sexuality. Same with Anders and Kaidan. People are different, might have preferences, might "come out of closet" (if that is still used) later in life etc. In Anders case I at least know that Gaider who write him in DA:A has said that he wrote him bisexual, not straight. So his sexuality didn't change between games :)


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Korra?

 

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That's a little kids show right? I wouldn't have known of her anyhow.

Now back  on topic  . Regardless of what files were found Cullen is straight .And he will always be straight. So please stop posting these space -wasting threads.This is beyond a  dead horse topic.



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That's a little kids show right? I wouldn't have known of her anyhow.

Now back  on topic  . Regardless of what files were found Cullen is straight .And he will always be straight. So please stop posting these space -wasting threads.This is beyond a  dead horse topic.

 

I think it's aimed for bigger kids and teenagers, though fandom is bit older than that.



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three time in a row having a "heavily hinted" (if not totally) straight male becaming/coming out as bisexual in a new game where he is a LI would have felt like a "trick" used too many times.

 

I think this is one of the reasons Cullen was left straight.


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Him being bi, just does not fit his character.

What does this even mean?



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We got what we got, I'm glad that not every romance is bi in DAI & more realistic is sense of sexual preferance but then... I don't know, I can understand the disappointment.

 

Even though I would tend to believe he's straight, if he was bisexual who cares? then twice as many people could enjoy his romance.

I also don't see him as someone who would advertise his sexuality, so if he was bi I think it probably could of been possible to head cannon him as straight, bi or gay... or you know, accept him for what he is... it would be up to the individual to enjoy the romance as they would like



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three time in a row having a "heavily hinted" (if not totally) straight male becaming/coming out as bisexual in a new game where he is a LI would have felt like a "trick" used too many times.

 

I think this is one of the reasons Cullen was left straight.

Ooh i was just thinking the same thing. If the same thing is done in every game, it just makes the characters a bit more dull.


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As a gay guy, some characters are straight. That's the way it is and I'll deal lol. I really don't understand the uproar this. If you wanna romance him, just make a female PC already.

 

Too many times we create battles on this forum when there's no need. 

 

Besides, Dorian and iron bull are all I need.


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And Kaidan Alenko was straight in Mass Effect 1, straight in Mass Effect 2 and bisexual in Mass Effect 3. 
 
Heck, there are people in real life who discover their bisexual nature rather late.
 
So the notion of it not fitting his character doesn't make much sense.


Well, Cullen didn't discover it because he isn't.

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Besides, Kaidan is not really a good example. The entire gay love lines are in the game, they just weren't implemented. Probably a wise decision, as ME1 already got sh*t for featuring 'on screen sodomy'. I've played the game to hell and back, I haven't found the sodomy :P
 

The scene first came under fire in neoconservative blogger Kevin McCullough's article, "The 'Sex-Box' Race for President".[86] McCullough employed strong, false statements such as "Mass Effect can be customized to sodomise whatever, whomever, however, the game player wishes," and "with its 'over the net' capabilities virtual orgasmic rape is just the push of a button away."[87]


On January 21, 2008, a Fox News segment "The Live Desk With Martha MacCallum" discussed Mass Effect[85] with the heading "'SE'XBOX?' New video game shows full digital nudity and sex." MacCallum stated that the game "leaves nothing to the imagination" and features "the ability for players to engage in full graphic sex" where the player gets to decide what happens, cited critics as saying that the Mature-rated game is marketed to children and teenagers, and read a rebuttal from publisher Microsoft stating that the company abides by rating systems and provides monitoring tools for parents. Self-proclaimed psychology specialist and author Cooper Lawrence and video game journalist Geoff Keighley were interviewed. Lawrence described sexual content in video games as teaching their active users, adolescent boys, to consider women as objects of desire valued solely for their sexuality. She added that the game's player character is a man who decides how many women he wants to be with. Keighley focused on challenging the accuracy of previous statements, saying it is a choice to play the protagonist as a male or a female. He also described Mass Effect as having an optional, brief sexual situation as the culmination of a romantic relationship in a 30+ hour game, and argued against the extremely false accusations of graphic, full-frontal nudity within the game. MacCallum and Lawrence admitted that they had not actually played the game.


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Well, Cullen didn't discover it because he isn't.

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Besides, Kaidan is not really a good example. The entire gay love lines are in the game, they just weren't implemented. Probably a wise decision, as ME1 already got sh*t for featuring 'on screen sodomy'. I've played the game to hell and back, I haven't found the sodomy :P
 


'Murica.

Ahahahahahaha! I thought it was just over a bit of side-boob not because you 'chose how many women to be with' or 'sodomy'. Thats brilliant, im just gonna be over here sniggering for a bit.... :lol: :lol:



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 I've never heard anyone ever say "gah, there too many chicks in this game!" At least not for a Bioware game. As near as I can tell, the only people who seem to think there should be a disproportionate amount of male companions are the developers themselves.

 

I have.  There was a thread to that effect in the MP forum awhile back, suggesting that the MP had too many female characters when they are actually split 6/6, and another one where someone felt that having 3 of the leaders/advisors of the Inquisition be women was unrealistic.  There were also a lot of complaints about it in Guild Wars 2 re: the Living Story, although that is not Bioware, of course.

 

My guess would also be that it is not necessarily the developers themselves making those decisions (although I'm sure that is part of it), but also the publishers and marketing.  There have been multiple stories of games with female protagonists being rejected by various publishers because the devs refused to change the lead to a man or boy.  I think (hope) this is probably changing, though.  As long as a character is written well and consistently, and the setting is not so specific that it requires a particular gender/race/whatever, there's no real reason characters can't be anyone.

 

As far as Cullen goes, we will probably never know the full reasoning behind it but time constraints certainly seem like a logical explanation, at least in part, considering that we know he was only added as a romance option due to the extra year of development time.  My hunch is that that's why he's race-gated as well, to the two races most similar in size (ie, because dwarves and qunari would have been that little bit much more extra work to get right in cutscenes.)


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No one is obligated to bend their preferences for you. Just like real people, they got their own orientations and a different degree of openness.


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Characters evolve. By that logic, both Korra and Kaidan should not have been bisexual since they started out straight and would not fit their characters.


Just wondering but why do keep insisting that Kaidan was straight in ME1? Not saying he wasn't since it's possible he is a late blooming bisexual but he could also have been bisexual all along and he just never brought it up.

Also why does this thread persist? If Gaider said the writers didn't feel that his character was bisexual then surely the matter is closed?

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Good morning BSN...and this thread is still here! The never-ending merry-go-round continues...

 


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