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Well alot of news are coming out. It seems the old crew is out and yes it is a breath of fresh air... however after the events of ME3 it is like after the backlash they decided to scrap everyhing and begin anew. Don't crucify me but I wish the old crew would be in ME4 even if they are not a part of your new crew just to give some closure? Perhaps? Or to add more background story and immersion?  Also the next Mass Effect won't even be named Mass Effect probably the story is fragmented now? 


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In a way it is of course a reboot.  Bioware wants your money, thats the plain and simple of it.  The MEU has lots of room for more stories, but no matter what we will remember Shepard and the gang.  Anything "Mass Effect" will remind us of Shepard - and Bioware knows that because they invoke the N7 symbol on our new Hero / Heroine.

 

I too would have liked closure, but that was denied us.  Artistic 'vision' and "integrity" have seen to it.  In all honesty, I think they will avoid anything to do with the endings of ME3 - and that will sadly remove almost all possibilities of getting together with the old gang but for a cameo.

 

That was one of my grumps from back in the past that fell on deaf ears at BioWare.  Why leave the galaxy in divergent states?  They simply didn't care.  Now they get to deal with that mess as they build ME:Next - but there are many threads on these ideas (and issues).

 

My stance on this is fairly simple.  All one needs to do is look at the track record.  Did they end the series in a way that is personally satisfying?  Was there closure?  Did you walk away feeling as if your money was well spent?  Depending on your answers, you know with how much zeal to look at ME:Next with.


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Not enough is known about the next game to really say conclusively what it is or isn't. 

 

The speculation that the game might be set in another galaxy may have merit, but at this point speculation is all it is. Almost nothing is known about the game other than it's part of the Mass Effect universe and currently in development. If the next game is set outside the Milky Way I'm not sure it would be fair to call it a reboot however. The events of the trilogy may still have happened, they just wouldn't be very relevant to the current story and setting. 


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Not enough is known about the next game to really say conclusively what it is or isn't. 

 

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Not enough is known about the next game to really say conclusively what it is or isn't. 

 

The speculation that the game might be set in another galaxy may have merit, but at this point speculation is all it is. Almost nothing is known about the game other than it's part of the Mass Effect universe and currently in development. If the next game is set outside the Milky Way I'm not sure it would be fair to call it a reboot however. The events of the trilogy may still have happened, they just wouldn't be very relevant to the current story and setting. 

 

Well that already seems like a reboot to me in my oppinion... they seem like running away from anything related to the previous installments... it is like Bioware has a phobia with Shepard now or it's like No No we ended it so shut up fans! Like that. To be fair the next mass effect, Mass effect 4, Galaxy effect or chocolate bar mars effect or whatever they call it effect, would have a bigger system, new worlds and characters and crafting etc. That all sounds fun but... when it gets released like what the previous poster have stated above, I can not help myself but get reminded about ME3 and shepard and Tali.... what the hell happened to your Love interst after the war? Your friends? It would bug the hell out of me when playing ME4 to be honest... knowing that the new N7 dude or gal is a wanabee unless... they provide a closure. The extended cut did put a closure to some but not the crew. I am making these suggestions because this is a bioware forums for feedback. Also the "cater for new gamers generation" does not help.... at all... they want more brain dead COD trash talkers joining the Mass Effect galaxy?!



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Even if the ending was super amazing and well recieved, I don't really see much reason for old squadmates to return yet again? 2/3 games with majorty of them was a lot, not to mention Citadel DLC that was basically just about squadmates. Most of them had their arcs fully completed, they achieved what they desired, spent a lot time with Shep etc. As much as I love the old squadmates, it's time for new ones and new Player Character regardless of the endings and whether it will be a seque, reboot, AU or whatever


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Even if the ending was super amazing and well recieved, I don't really see much reason for old squadmates to return yet again? 2/3 games with majorty of them was a lot, not to mention Citadel DLC that was basically just about squadmates. Most of them had their arcs fully completed, they achieved what they desired, spent a lot time with Shep etc. As much as I love the old squadmates, it's time for new ones and new Player Character regardless of the endings and whether it will be a seque, reboot, AU or whatever

I see... so that settles it... reboot then. Welp there goes my interests and time spent out the window. *Sigh... time to go back to insurgency, Borderlands, Redorchestra, Arma and Skyrim for me. It was Nice meeting all of ya... and serving the Normandy



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I see... so that settles it... reboot then. Welp there goes my interests and time spent out the window. *Sigh... time to go back to insurgency, Borderlands, Redorchestra, Arma and Skyrim for me. It was Nice meeting all of ya... and serving the Nornandy

Nothing is confirmed or even heavily hinted byt the devs yet, it can be anything. But most never expected ME4/5/6 to carry on with Shep and old squadmates, regardless if it was set just, say, 2 years after trilogy and in the same galaxy etc. It's gigantic baggage of choices & conditionals, they can't keep it going forever, they already had major issues properly reflecting choices in ME2/3, by the time we hit 4 with Shep & co it would be just a mess. They would have to implement cleaner state sooner or later.

 

Be positive, there will be many great new squadmates and new player character you will (hopefully) be able to mold as u could Shep ;)


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Nothing is confirmed or even heavily hinted byt the devs yet, it can be anything. But most never expected ME4/5/6 to carry on with Shep and old squadmates, regardless if it was set just, say, 2 years after trilogy and in the same galaxy etc. It's gigantic baggage of choices & conditionals, they can't keep it going forever, they already had major issues properly reflecting choices in ME2/3, by the time we hit 4 with Shep & co it would be just a mess. They would have to implement cleaner state sooner or later.

 

Be positive, there will be many great new squadmates and new player character you will (hopefully) be able to mold as u could Shep ;)

I am fine with new characters and lore. But it is not the same... I would understand if this is Final Fantasy because it is the tradition of that franchise to MOVE FORWARD in a complete identical but independent title after the previous title gets released, no connection whatsoever it is their tradition. Now look what happened when Sauare Enix broke that tradition with Final Fantasy X-II, Final Fantasy XIII-II and Final Fantasy XIII Lightning returns... it was a whole god darn mess. Now Square Enix admitted their fault and would address the problem soon by releasing Final Fantasy XV a completely new independent title going back to their tradition.

 

 

For Bioware's case and the Mass Effect universe however, it has been a tradition releasing titles which are connected with one another which influence the outcome of the game and immerse the players with the narrative. By releasing this new game not connected with the other 3 Bioware is breaking its tradition and would PROBABLY make the same mistake that of Square... it is not yet too late to fix things... Bioware can set things straight by giving closure whether in the form of a codex entry, cameo or journal 15 minutes or 30 minutes would not hurt. Then we can move on and focus with the new hero... but from the looks of it even the Title Mass Effect is getting erased... the title that helped bioware where it is now, they have abandoned it instead of being proud of it like what Square is doing with the Final Fantasy name even if things get rough they stand proud. It is a shame really



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but from the looks of it even the Title Mass Effect is getting erased...

Nah, EA would never do, costs too much to market new brand name and its too risky. No needto worry about this one for sure



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In a way it is of course a reboot.  Bioware wants your money, thats the plain and simple of it.  The MEU has lots of room for more stories, but no matter what we will remember Shepard and the gang.  Anything "Mass Effect" will remind us of Shepard - and Bioware knows that because they invoke the N7 symbol on our new Hero / Heroine.

 

I too would have liked closure, but that was denied us.  Artistic 'vision' and "integrity" have seen to it.  In all honesty, I think they will avoid anything to do with the endings of ME3 - and that will sadly remove almost all possibilities of getting together with the old gang but for a cameo.

 

That was one of my grumps from back in the past that fell on deaf ears at BioWare.  Why leave the galaxy in divergent states?  They simply didn't care.  Now they get to deal with that mess as they build ME:Next - but there are many threads on these ideas (and issues).

 

My stance on this is fairly simple.  All one needs to do is look at the track record.  Did they end the series in a way that is personally satisfying?  Was there closure?  Did you walk away feeling as if your money was well spent?  Depending on your answers, you know with how much zeal to look at ME:Next with.

 

I know my answer to those questions.

 

*fingurs crossed for a complete tabula rasa*


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Goddamnit, now the trend is 'reboot'.

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Yep. A soft reboot. The narrative will be quite different.



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Yep. A soft reboot. The narrative will be quite different.

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:c

 

Still, This is only theoretical, We don't have that much info to judge the game. But from what I have gathered so far, It will be very different from the original trilogy. However, That doesn't mean that the new mass effect games will be bad. Infact, I'm really looking forward to NME to see how they'd handle it. It's like Halo, People claim that the original Halo trilogy was something and Halo 4 and 5 were a totally another thing because the developer changed. It's quite similar here, The Mass Effect team at BioWare has also changed radically.



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Still, This is only theoretical, We don't have that much info to judge the game. But from what I have gathered so far, It will be very different from the original trilogy. However, That doesn't mean that the new mass effect games will be bad. Infact, I'm really looking forward to NME to see how they'd handle it. It's like Halo, People claim that the original Halo trilogy was something and Halo 4 and 5 were a totally another thing because the developer changed. It's quite similar here, The Mass Effect team at BioWare has also changed radically.

ahhh Halo. Masterchief... FINISH THE FIGHT. Halo 4 was good and all but nothing compared to the previous 3 hands down. This also reminds me about Resident evil abandoning their signature camera angles and atmosphere for a more action oriented game breaking their tradition... and now RE is just another "horror game".

 

You guys are probably right since there are still very few information with ME4 but since they stated it has nothing to do with shepard then that means the ending of ME3 no matter what you choose has no outcome or frution to ME 4 in anyway... no Green glowing eyes? no controlled reapers? or the Geth would still be there even if you choose the destroy ending? "new galaxy new narrative nothing to do with shepard" then that pretty much points out to how Final Fantasy works, Previouse title ends -> New title comes up with the same lore involving crystals and with some familliar characters but no connection to the previous title whatsoever... I think this is why Bioware will not be using the name Mass Effect anymore it's a reboot in my opinion [No problem with Final Fantasy since they always reboot every new title released except in the past 5 years stuck with Lighting -_- yisssh]. We could get a win win solution... like I've stated above a closure to the previous titles would be much appreciated whether it is in a codex entry, Comic series, Cameo in ME4 or journal 15 minutes or 30 minutes won't be that painful? the extended cut was good but it was more like of a "they all lived happily ever after the end" xD  then we can all jump into the UNKOWN but that would contradict their new goals of "nothing to do with the previous titles approach".

 

Very well good luck Bioware to whatever you are planning and more power to you if you are reading this.



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Letting go and Moving on =! going back and starting over



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We don't even know yet whether the next game will be a sequel, prequel, or something happening during the same period. For all we know, we might as well get to play Konrad Verner during the ME1-ME2 interlude while Shepards' getting her re-assembly.



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For all we know, we might as well get to play Konrad Verner during the ME1-ME2 interlude while Shepards' getting her re-assembly.

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I hope they don't reboot.  If anything it will probably take place several decades after the reaper war.  It will allow them to take it a new direction with a new cast of characters without changing history.


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They don't really have a whole lot of choice.

 

If they try a sequel tied to the events of the trilogy, they'd have to choose a canon or homogenize the endings to make a coherent set of events, which not only makes them look disingenuous for all the times in the trilogy they've said "there is no canon" but also makes for poor precedence for a fresh start because of the same problem.  So a sequel either needs to be so far removed in space and/or time to avoid that issue, which makes connecting directly back to the trilogy difficult.

 

Personally, I like this because I think Mass Effect is due a clean slate.  We're done with the Reapers, the main narrative thrust behind Mass Effect.  The last thing I want is NME to become a nonstop parade of cameos like ME3 did.  Time for a new direction.

 

All that being said, I don't want a true reboot that replaces the events of the past three games.  That's why I support Ark Theory, a fresh slate without any ending problems and maintains what we played through in the trilogy as having happened.



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Mass effect needs a clean slate. Sorry, but its true, OP. Truth hurts sometimes.

And why do you think they are abandoning the name Mass Effect? They aren't.

Ten bucks says it turns out to be Mass Effect: Contact after all and the original leak was legit.

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nope.  It's a new story.



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I sure hope they don't even mention the old crew.    Let the new game start fresh for once.   Mass Effect was a great trilogy.   Now its over.   There is no need to keep rehashing the same characters again and again.    Give us new people to care about.


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I sure hope they don't even mention the old crew.    Let the new game start fresh for once.   Mass Effect was a great trilogy.   Now its over.   There is no need to keep rehashing the same characters again and again.    Give us new people to care about.

 

There's far too much money involved in the old trilogy and characters. The new series would perpetually be in the old series' shadow because of questions about Shepard, the team, the War, and everything else. No, they'll address those concerns. And I'm pretty certain that Shepard & Crew will get another game for those reasons. Besides, it's not as if it's unprecedented for writers to say "This character's story is done, show's over, folks!" and then come back not even a few years later and say "But wait, there's more!"


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